Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-18 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:00:49 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 6/17/2014 7:41 PM, Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 22:32:16 -0400 > > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > >> On 6/14/2014 2:06 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > > > > ... > > > >>> Here's a way to generate a *truly* random password that i

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/17/2014 7:41 PM, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 22:32:16 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 6/14/2014 2:06 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > > ... > >>> Here's a way to generate a *truly* random password that is *also* memorable: >>> >>> http://diceware.com >>> >>> Instead of using you

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-17 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 22:32:16 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 6/14/2014 2:06 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: ... > > Here's a way to generate a *truly* random password that is *also* memorable: > > > > http://diceware.com > > > > Instead of using your computer to generate allegedly random bits, yo

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:32 AM, wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: >> >> The biggest problem I have found using random passwords is that some >> sites truncate the password to a shorter number of characters. Some >> of those are fairly high profile sites! http://www.schwab.com/ i

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 14 June 2014 19:06:40 Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > Don Armstrong wrote, On 06/14/2014 01:04 PM: > > If you just want purely random passwords, though, you might try > > makepasswd instead. pwgen is more biased towards generating > > distinguishable, memorable passwords instead of truly rand

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2014-06-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 14 June 2014 11:57:59 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2014 22:02:06 Bob Proulx wrote: > > Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly random > > passwords.  A long random password is sufficiently difficult to > > exploit.  If you are using passwords that are easy

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-15 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 14/06/14 13:57, Brian wrote: On Sat 14 Jun 2014 at 11:50:57 +0100, Iain M Conochie wrote: Can you categorically state what _are_ the preseed options for the openssh-server package? I can find 4: The ones you listed below are for a fresh install of Wheezy. Jessie is different. This output ca

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread davidson
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: The biggest problem I have found using random passwords is that some sites truncate the password to a shorter number of characters. Some of those are fairly high profile sites! http://www.schwab.com/ is a good example that truncates passwords at eight cha

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/14/2014 2:06 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > Don Armstrong wrote, On 06/14/2014 01:04 PM: > >> If you just want purely random passwords, though, you might try >> makepasswd instead. pwgen is more biased towards generating >> distinguishable, memorable passwords instead of truly random ones. >

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Bob Proulx
Curt wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly random > > passwords. A long random password is sufficiently difficult to > > exploit. If you are using passwords that are easy to crack then they > > should definitely be disabled. Here is an examp

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:06:40 -0400 Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > Instead of using your computer to generate allegedly random bits, > you use five six-sided dice to generate truly random bits. You can also eat peas and count the number of seconds between two farts, then divide it by the captain's age

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
Don Armstrong wrote, On 06/14/2014 01:04 PM: > If you just want purely random passwords, though, you might try > makepasswd instead. pwgen is more biased towards generating > distinguishable, memorable passwords instead of truly random ones. Here's a way to generate a *truly* random password that

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Can it be set to use anything other than alpha-numeric? Yes. $ pwgen -sy 16 1; Z/;fv!2B:C=^@kvH If you just want purely random passwords, though, you might try makepasswd instead. pwgen is more biased towards generating distinguishable, memorable password

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Brian
On Sat 14 Jun 2014 at 11:50:57 +0100, Iain M Conochie wrote: > Can you categorically state what _are_ the preseed options for the > openssh-server package? I can find 4: The ones you listed below are for a fresh install of Wheezy. Jessie is different. This output can be obtained from debconf-

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 13 June 2014 22:02:06 Bob Proulx wrote: > Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly random > passwords.  A long random password is sufficiently difficult to > exploit.  If you are using passwords that are easy to crack then they > should definitely be disabled.  Here i

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Diogene Laerce
On 06/14/2014 12:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2014 22:02:06 Bob Proulx wrote: >> Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly random >> passwords. A long random password is sufficiently difficult to >> exploit. If you are using passwords that are easy to crack t

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Iain M Conochie
To date I haven't been able to find documented lists of preseeds anywhere, except for the standard debian installer values given in You haven't looked hard enough. Debian's and Ubuntu's example preseed files. I found this preseed option in forum postings somewhere. Which preseed option? You

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-14 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-13, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly random > passwords. A long random password is sufficiently difficult to > exploit. If you are using passwords that are easy to crack then they > should definitely be disabled. Here is an example

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 14/06/14 07:18, Brian wrote: > On Fri 13 Jun 2014 at 23:36:41 +0530, Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > >> That's about the bug report that led to all this: >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298138 > > The usual complaint, I see. password1 is an insecure password for root > to use so

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:28:31 +0100 Brian wrote: > It has cropped up on -user from time to time and the very strange > view that a password login is inherently insecure is sometimes > advanced. Well, if you raise the time between P/W attempts to, lets say 30 seconds, it'll take _some_ (looong) ti

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 15:02:06 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly > random passwords. A long random password is sufficiently > difficult to exploit. If you are using passwords that are easy to > crack then they should definitely be disabled. H

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Brian
On Fri 13 Jun 2014 at 22:42:49 +0200, B wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:25:28 -0600 > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Personally I always use a strong password for root, only very > > rarely log in as root using a password, > > mostly use ssh rsa keys with a strong passphrase for remotely > > loggin

Re: Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Brian
On Fri 13 Jun 2014 at 23:36:41 +0530, Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > That's about the bug report that led to all this: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298138 The usual complaint, I see. password1 is an insecure password for root to use so we mustn't allow root to log in via ssh.

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Bob Proulx
B wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Personally I always use a strong password for root, only very > > rarely log in as root using a password, > > mostly use ssh rsa keys with a strong passphrase for remotely > > logging in, but do allow remote root login. > > ? You don't need a password (except f

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:25:28 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > Personally I always use a strong password for root, only very > rarely log in as root using a password, > mostly use ssh rsa keys with a strong passphrase for remotely > logging in, but do allow remote root login. ? You don't need a password

Re: Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > was documented in the /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/README.Debian.gz > > That's about the bug report that led to all this: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298138 I am familiar with that bug report. It is referenced in the README.

Re: Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-13 Thread Murukesh Mohanan
> > If some ignoramus sets a weak password and get's exploited, because > > of a old default, I don't see why it should become my problem or > > yours. The Debian maintainers can set whatever default they chose > > to, as is their right, but why make a decision to ignore the user's > > right to ch

Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > 1. I have explicitly stated that I am automating new installations. > I don't understand what repeating that statement back to me means. > I have read README.Debian, and I don't see how it answers my question, > which is: *why* are you totally ignoring a user-made selectio

Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-09 Thread Murukesh Mohanan
A few points: 1. I have explicitly stated that I am automating new installations. I don't understand what repeating that statement back to me means. I have read README.Debian, and I don't see how it answers my question, which is: *why* are you totally ignoring a user-made selection of pre-exisitn

Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-09 Thread Murukesh Mohanan
A few points: 1. I have explicitly stated that I am automating new installations. I don't understand what repeating that statement back to me means. I have read README.Debian, and I don't see how it answers my question, which is: *why* are you totally ignoring a user-made selection of pre-exisitn

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-08 Thread Brian
On Sun 08 Jun 2014 at 20:55:19 +0100, Brian wrote: > This is what you get with a new install of 1:6.6p1-1. It is the > default. If is not to your liking you have to alter it afterwards. Or deal with it with late_command in your preseed file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@list

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-08 Thread Brian
On Sat 07 Jun 2014 at 23:08:47 +0530, Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > I'm trying to use preseeding to automate installation, and > openssh-server is ignoring a selection > openssh-server openssh-server/permit-root-login bool true > The sshd_config always contains > PermitRootLogin without-pass