On 3/9/08, Keith Richie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Try
>
> ffmpeg -i file.vob -vn -acodec vorbis -ac 2 -ab 160k out.ogg
Oddly enough, I had a VOB lying around here, so I tried it (it's ST
Enterprise episode(s) so it's mostly speech with some music).
> ffmpeg doesn't support multichannel vorbi
Alex Samad wrote:
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 11:57:14AM -0800, David Fox wrote:
On 3/8/08, asm4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the nominal bit rate shown by xmms or mplayer on out.ogg is 0k and
average bit rate is 41.7kbps
I don't think you can compare bit rates, ogg has better compression than
mp3
Alex Samad wrote:
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 11:57:14AM -0800, David Fox wrote:
On 3/8/08, asm4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the nominal bit rate shown by xmms or mplayer on out.ogg is 0k and
average bit rate is 41.7kbps
I don't think you can compare bit rates, ogg has better compression than
mp3
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 11:57:14AM -0800, David Fox wrote:
> On 3/8/08, asm4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > the nominal bit rate shown by xmms or mplayer on out.ogg is 0k and
> > average bit rate is 41.7kbps
I don't think you can compare bit rates, ogg has better compression than
mp3 so 128kb og
On 3/8/08, asm4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the nominal bit rate shown by xmms or mplayer on out.ogg is 0k and
> average bit rate is 41.7kbps
Is the quality (or lack of) extremely noticable? Ogg is variable rate,
and by "VOB" i'm thinking "movie",
where there may be a large variation of sound so
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 08:47:19PM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> > I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio (0x6770) which can't
> > be played by any of totem, avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would
> > have thought that Free players would support a Free codec.
>
Carl Fink wrote:
> I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio (0x6770) which can't
> be played by any of totem, avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would
> have thought that Free players would support a Free codec.
install ffmpeg package (or you may have it already installed) and the
Jon Dowland wrote:
At 1155335188 past the epoch, Carl Fink wrote:
I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio
(0x6770) which can't be played by any of totem,
avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would have thought
that Free players would support a Free codec.
totem-xine or
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 01:47:51PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> At 1155335188 past the epoch, Carl Fink wrote:
> > I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio
> > (0x6770) which can't be played by any of totem,
> > avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would have thought
> > that Free pla
At 1155335188 past the epoch, Carl Fink wrote:
> I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio
> (0x6770) which can't be played by any of totem,
> avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would have thought
> that Free players would support a Free codec.
totem-xine or totem-gstreamer? Do you
Carl Fink wrote:
I've got an AVI video here that has Ogg Vorbis audio (0x6770) which can't be
played by any of totem, avifile-player, mplayer, or xine-ui. I would have
thought that Free players would support a Free codec.
There is another vid-aud-player which I tried "VLC" which worked for me.
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:34:00PM -0600, Todd Pytel wrote:
> Just confirming that I'm reading the bug reports correctly... I went
> Woody --> Sarge last night without a hitch, except that Ogg encoding
> broke. Running "oggenc" dies with a message about missing
> libvorbisenc.so.0, which sure enoug
Olah,
> Eo ogg123 toca mp3? :^)
>
> É porque tenho ambos os tipos de arquivos num mesmo diretório. Eu sei
> que o XMMS toca, mas procuro um tocador modo texto.
Hmm, porque nao escrever um q toque os dois? As bibliotecas taum
aih, o fonte do ogg123 e do mpg321 tambehm... n
What I meant here is the following:
cd/wav -> ogg/mp3 is lossy
ogg/mp3 -> wav isn't lossy
hence, cd/wav -> ogg -> wav -> mp3
has two lossy transitions, not three.
To clarify, going from ogg to wav certainly doesn't bring
back the original exact audio, but produces the audio
exactly as described in
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:04:30 -0800
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0800 (PST)
> > Jack Pistachio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Encoding to either ogg or mp3 is lossy, but when converting
> > > back to wav the information in the mp3 or
Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0800 (PST)
> Jack Pistachio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Encoding to either ogg or mp3 is lossy, but when converting
> > back to wav the information in the mp3 or ogg audio should
> > be retained completely.
>
> Erm, no. These two statemen
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 04:32:10PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0800 (PST)
> Jack Pistachio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Encoding to either ogg or mp3 is lossy, but when converting
> > back to wav the information in the mp3 or ogg audio should
> > be retained completely
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0800 (PST)
Jack Pistachio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Encoding to either ogg or mp3 is lossy, but when converting
> back to wav the information in the mp3 or ogg audio should
> be retained completely.
Erm, no. These two statements are mutually exclusive. The v
Encoding to either ogg or mp3 is lossy, but when converting
back to wav the information in the mp3 or ogg audio should
be retained completely. James is right when reminding me
that going from ogg to mp3 incurs two opportunities of loss
though, one from wav to ogg, and then another from ogg to
mp3.
Se voce queira um script para convertar OGG para MP3, veja
minha posta (en engles)...
Vou escrever um pouco aqui:
Utilizando ogg vorbis e um lame encordante, pode convertar
ogg para mp3 e tocar no carro. Posso mandar um script
simples por email se voce (ou sergio) queiram.
Faz tempo que nao escr
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:13:26PM -0200, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> ? Assim falou Sergio de Camargo Baena em Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 01:40:13PM -0200:
> > Concordo, mas o OGG nao funciona em tocadores de MP3 de carro nem dos
> > port?teis semelhantes, ou aqueles DVDs que tamb?m tocam MP3. Ou seja,
>
Olá.
» Assim falou Sergio de Camargo Baena em Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 01:40:13PM -0200:
> Concordo, mas o OGG nao funciona em tocadores de MP3 de carro nem dos
> portáteis semelhantes, ou aqueles DVDs que também tocam MP3. Ou seja,
> de que adianta ele ser livre e até melhor na taxa de comp
Olá.
» Assim falou Rodrigo Gruppelli em Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 05:42:20PM -0200:
> Ha sim. Tu pode nao perceber, mas há.
Nossa, que medo. Então acho que nunca mais vou copiar meus
mp3/ogg pra lugar nenhum. Porque eu não quero perder os dados
que eu NÃO vou ouvir qua
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 07:18:55AM -0800, Jack Pistachio wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good app to easily convert ogg vorbis
> audio files to mp3? Preferably it would retain the info in
> the new mp3 files, and have a gnu public license of course.
[You've had a lot of answers, and started quite
James Hughes wrote:
> Since you're talking about audio degradation issues, one thing I've
> always wondered is how much and what kind of loss is there (if any)
> when unencoding from [.ogg]|[.mp3] to .wav?
I would think none. Lossage happens during encoding, not decoding, as
long as you're deco
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:22:03AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Jack Pistachio wrote:
>
> > Well, I'm actually not sure I need to. I'm making a cd for
> > my brother to use on his mp3 capable DVD player. I assumed
> > that the player wouldn't be able to handle ogg encoded
> > files. Perhaps I'
Travis Crump wrote:
> By that logic, what is to stop some company from releasing their product
> under the 'GPL' and then never releasing the source and requiring
> per-seat 'royalties' for the use of their patented IP?
That's nonsensical, because source is what you release under GPL. If
they d
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:07:12 -0800
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Such a program would essentially just be an ogg vorbis decoder piped to
> an mp3 encoder, along with some helpful glue to guess which vorbis tags
> to move into the mp3's id3 tags. Since it would have an mp3 encoder, it
>
Craig Dickson wrote:
Travis Crump wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
That of course doesn't prevent the holders of LAME's copyright from
releasing it under the GPL, since the copyright holders are not
themselves bound by the terms of the licence,
Why shouldn't they be bound by the terms of the lice
Travis Crump wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> >That of course doesn't prevent the holders of LAME's copyright from
> >releasing it under the GPL, since the copyright holders are not
> >themselves bound by the terms of the licence,
>
> Why shouldn't they be bound by the terms of the licence?
Becau
Colin Watson wrote:
That of course doesn't prevent the holders of LAME's copyright from
releasing it under the GPL, since the copyright holders are not
themselves bound by the terms of the licence,
Why shouldn't they be bound by the terms of the licence? As copyright
holders they are perfectly
Olá,
» Assim falou Ronaldo Reis Jr. em Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:42:48PM -0200:
> Existe alguma vantagem/disvantagem em se utilizar o formato ogg ao mp3?
Bem, a vantagem que eu vejo é q o ogg me parece mais bem
estruturado (tanto que eles lançaram agora um formato de vídeo
Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-02-05T16:07:12Z, Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Since it would have an mp3 encoder, it couldn't possibly be under GPL,
> > since mp3 encoders are patent-encumbered.
>
> Not true. LAME is released under the GPL - it was written from scratch:
>
>
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:12:35AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-02-05T16:07:12Z, Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Since it would have an mp3 encoder, it couldn't possibly be under GPL,
> > since mp3 encoders are patent-encumbered.
>
> Not true. LAME is released under the GPL
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:12:35AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
>
> Not true. LAME is released under the GPL - it was written from scratch:
>
> http://lame.sourceforge.net/
>
Which might help it if we were talking about it's copyright status,
however mp3 encoding is patent encumbered, regardle
Jack Pistachio wrote:
> Well, I'm actually not sure I need to. I'm making a cd for
> my brother to use on his mp3 capable DVD player. I assumed
> that the player wouldn't be able to handle ogg encoded
> files. Perhaps I'm wrong?
Most likely you're right. However, one thing you should be aware
At 2003-02-05T16:07:12Z, Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Since it would have an mp3 encoder, it couldn't possibly be under GPL,
> since mp3 encoders are patent-encumbered.
Not true. LAME is released under the GPL - it was written from scratch:
http://lame.sourceforge.net/
--
Kir
Thanks for the info. I suppose I'll write a simple script
to do so using notlame, a freeware mp3 encoder that I've
read some good reviews about. Too bad about the gpl issue.
-> craig: sorry about the xtra email... wasn't paying
attention.
jackp
--- Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> J
on Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:01:22AM -0800, Jack Pistachio insinuated:
> Well, I'm actually not sure I need to. I'm making a cd for
> my brother to use on his mp3 capable DVD player. I assumed
> that the player wouldn't be able to handle ogg encoded
> files. Perhaps I'm wrong?
no, you're right. that
Jack Pistachio wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good app to easily convert ogg vorbis
> audio files to mp3? Preferably it would retain the info in
> the new mp3 files, and have a gnu public license of course.
Such a program would essentially just be an ogg vorbis decoder piped to
an mp3 encoder, a
Well, I'm actually not sure I need to. I'm making a cd for
my brother to use on his mp3 capable DVD player. I assumed
that the player wouldn't be able to handle ogg encoded
files. Perhaps I'm wrong?
--- Kirk Strauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 2003-02-05T15:18:55Z, Jack Pistachio
> <[EMAI
At 2003-02-05T15:18:55Z, Jack Pistachio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know of a good app to easily convert ogg vorbis audio files to
> mp3? Preferably it would retain the info in the new mp3 files, and have a
> gnu public license of course.
Any MP3 encoder can do that. Out of curios
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 22:29, Larry W.Irwin Sr. wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying out the jack cd ripper program and using oggenc as the encoder.
> It reads music tracks at 5.0x but encodes at 0.1x. Is that normal for ogg? Jack
> is set to use one encoder at a time.
>
> My machine:
> 475 Mhz AMD K-6
>
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:29:10AM -0500, Larry W. Irwin Sr. wrote:
> Hi, I am trying out the jack cd ripper program and using oggenc as
> the encoder. It reads music tracks at 5.0x but encodes at 0.1x. Is
> that normal for ogg? Jack is set to use one encoder at a time.
Ogg does seem to be
On Saturday 26 October 2002 07:29, Larry W.Irwin Sr. wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying out the jack cd ripper program and using oggenc as the
> encoder. It reads music tracks at 5.0x but encodes at 0.1x. Is that normal
> for ogg? Jack is set to use one encoder at a time.
>
> My machine:
> 475 Mhz AMD
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 03:06:50PM -0500, Charles Lewis wrote:
> I got grip to rip oggs. Here is my command line in grip:
>
> /usr/bin/oggenc
>
> Then I can play them using ogg123, as long as I'm not in KDE. For some
> reason KDE requires control of oss? *shrug*
Yes, KDE (arts subsystem) takes c
also sprach Florian Struck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.06.18.2349 +0200]:
> How do you name it?
~/.abcde.conf
it's in the manual pages...
--
martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
\ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#define emacs eight megaby
> Yep did that allready but i cant figure out yet how to name that file i tried
> to put it into my home dir with the names .abcde and .abcde.config and both
> times it used the default configs so i always start it with the -c option.
When I first tried it I would get an error message and it wo
On Tuesday 18 June 2002 23:23, Dale Hair wrote:
> I'm generally a GUI person but I found abcde much easier. You might
> want to edit etc/abcde.config to suit your preferences or copy it to
> your home directory and modify it.
Yep did that allready but i cant figure out yet how to name that file i
I'm generally a GUI person but I found abcde much easier. You might
want to edit etc/abcde.config to suit your preferences or copy it to
your home directory and modify it.
> Hi yep no problem anymore my latest problem was that i lost my xmms config
> and
> i forgot that i need to use /dev/dsp1
On Tuesday 18 June 2002 22:06, Charles Lewis wrote:
-snip-
>
> The other thing that I can't figure out is why I can't get xmms to work.
> It just freezes up when I try to play these songs.
I just solved a similar problem go to your output plugin-config in xmms's
preferences and fill the approp
On Tuesday 18 June 2002 22:12, Steve Juranich wrote:
-snippall--
Hi yep no problem anymore my latest problem was that i lost my xmms config and
i forgot that i need to use /dev/dsp1 instead of dsp =) *stupid*
I tryed oggenc using the comandline tool abcde (nice) im not gonna do grip at
all its
> > http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic/alright.ogg
>
> Yep i can hear it sounds good until it stops =) what is it?
It's the first 500 frames of "Feelin' Alright" by Joe Cocker.
> But as it is always the same thing one problem solved the next one comes up
> =/
> i manage to play all mp3's
I got grip to rip oggs. Here is my command line in grip:
/usr/bin/oggenc
Then I can play them using ogg123, as long as I'm not in KDE. For some
reason KDE requires control of oss? *shrug*
The other thing that I can't figure out is why I can't get xmms to work. It
just freezes up when I try to p
On Tuesday 18 June 2002 18:50, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Okay, here's a small known good OGG file. At least, I was able to listen
> to it here at home. I tried to pick something to match your earlier
> indicated musical taste. :)
>
> http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic/alright.ogg
Yep i can he
Okay, here's a small known good OGG file. At least, I was able to listen to
it here at home. I tried to pick something to match your earlier indicated
musical taste. :)
http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic/alright.ogg
You should be able to hear this at home. Let us know if you can't.
---
On Monday 17 June 2002 23:16, Peter Whysall wrote:
-snip-
>
> Random thought.
>
> Rename that file to blah.mp3 and play it again.
>
> Are you /really/ encoding in OGG format?
>
Hah got ya i am gonna use the random thought prozessor from now on =)
That was it, it looks like a kind of bug in grip
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:45, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> I don't know of any "out-of-the-box" tools, but something along the
> lines of (Disclaimer: Untested, No warranty, etc):
>
> mpg123 --stdout somefile.mp3 | \
> oggenc --raw -o somefile.ogg -a ArtistName -l Albumname -t Title ...
>
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:32, Mark Janssen wrote:
> There might be, but converting from one lossy audio codec to another
> only makes matters worse, just leave mp3's as mp3's... and ogg's as
> ogg's.
>
> You could convert them by doing something along these lines. Decode the
> mp3 back to waveforms
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:28:46AM +0200, Helgi Örn wrote:
> By the way; I have been looking for a mp3 -> ogg converter without luck,
> does anyone here know if there is one such an app around or if this is
> at all possible?
I don't know of any "out-of-the-box" tools, but something along the
line
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:28, Helgi Örn wrote:
> By the way; I have been looking for a mp3 -> ogg converter without luck,
> does anyone here know if there is one such an app around or if this is
> at all possible?
> Is there a seperate Debian multimedia mailinglist?
There might be, but converting f
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 04:12, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "Dale" == Dale Hair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Dale> Does lame even encode in ogg format, I believe it only does
> Dale> mp3. Try abcde, it's a debian package and encodes ogg by
> Dale> default.
>
> Another good choice for
On 2002-06-17 21:12:23, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> Another good choice for ogg ripping is 'jack' (I'm a python bigot, so
> I chose that over abcde ;-)
abcde blows jack out of history.
/Allan
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"Dale" == Dale Hair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dale> Does lame even encode in ogg format, I believe it only does
Dale> mp3. Try abcde, it's a debian package and encodes ogg by
Dale> default.
Another good choice for ogg ripping is 'jack' (I'm a python bigot, so
I chose that over
Does lame even encode in ogg format, I believe it only does mp3. Try
abcde, it's a debian package and encodes ogg by default.
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 15:39, Florian Struck wrote:
> Hi i have just tried grip using cdparanoia ripps ok encodes with lame (from
> merillat) or gogo but oggs that result
* Florian Struck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020617 13:54]:
> On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> > Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123? Do you have any
> > "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's? I'd test with those first to see if it's a
> > problem with your player or with t
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 21:54, Florian Struck wrote:
> On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> > Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123? Do you have any
> > "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's? I'd test with those first to see if it's a
> > problem with your player or with the
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:03:21PM -0700, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Did you say you used lame to encode the file? If so, try using oggenc
> instead
> (comes in the same package as ogg123). I've never had a problem with that
> before.
>
> I've got some vorbis files that I can point you to, but y
Did you say you used lame to encode the file? If so, try using oggenc instead
(comes in the same package as ogg123). I've never had a problem with that
before.
I've got some vorbis files that I can point you to, but you'll have to wait
until I get home from work. ;)
-
On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123? Do you have any
> "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's? I'd test with those first to see if it's a
> problem with your player or with the encoder.
Hehe just tryed playing with ogg123 it says:
Er
On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123? Do you have any
> "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's? I'd test with those first to see if it's a
Doing ogg the first time i dont have any here got an url?
> problem with your player or with th
Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123? Do you have any
"KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's? I'd test with those first to see if it's a
problem with your player or with the encoder.
--
Stephen W. Juranich
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, jennyw wrote:
> Are there any Ogg Vorbis portable players? Or support for Mac OS X? Playing
> music on Linux and Windows is cool, but mp3s run everywhere. Of course, I
> may try it anyway since I don't currently have a portable player. It looks
> like a great project.
Hi,
Th
>
>True ... but if you're about to take a really long car trip, portable
>players are nice. Also, it'd be nice to just copy what exists onto a
>portable player instead of converting them to another format. Of course, I
>have no experience converting from Ogg Vorbis to MP3 so maybe it's really
>fas
From: "John Griffiths" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well one consideration to make is the difference between listening on your
PC
> (with nearly unlimited storage), and on a portable player (extremely
limited
> storage)
True ... but if you're about to take a really long car trip, portable
players are nic
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, jennyw wrote:
> Are there any Ogg Vorbis portable players? Or support for Mac OS X?
On OS X, Audion (my favorite player) should support Ogg Vorbis, though
I've never tried it.
http://www.panic.com/audion/
Shareware, but decidedly cool.
- Aaron
--
Aaron Hall :
At 02:00 PM 11/27/01 -0800, jennyw wrote:
>Are there any Ogg Vorbis portable players? Or support for Mac OS X? Playing
>music on Linux and Windows is cool, but mp3s run everywhere. Of course, I
>may try it anyway since I don't currently have a portable player. It looks
>like a great project.
>
>Jen
Am 05. Jul, 2001 schwäzte Al Dunn so:
> I was wondering what the source lines are for installing ogg vorbis>
via apt-get.
deb http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~ingo/vorbis ./ (Browse)
Ingo Saitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Vorbis nightly CVS builds.
Submitted on 2000-10-14 06:39:06+02
I got this fr
Am 05. Jul, 2001 schwäzte Al Dunn so:
> I was wondering what the source lines are for installing ogg vorbis
> via apt-get.
If you mean what packages try "apt-cache search vorbis". I've got
vorbis-tools installed. Grip from woody can use oggenc to encode and xmms
from woody can play ogg files
You may have noticed that there are Vorbis packages in Potato, or is it just
in my special distribution? Anyway, that's beta3, you should get beta4 from
www.vorbis.com. The tar.gz archives are prepared for Debian. You don't have
to compile and install them like the poor (?) guys with non-debian sys
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