Re: [OT] "rant"

2006-06-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 15:04:24 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:14:29PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks for that little rant; it made my day. I recently >>> switched from mozilla to fire

Re: OT: Rant (re: wordperfect)

2002-01-27 Thread ben
On Sunday 27 January 2002 01:35 pm, Andreas von Heydwolff wrote: > > WP8 retail edition (with more fonts than the discontinued free download > version) can be had via eBay for a few bucks. I purchased a copy > recently and am waiting for it to arrive. Meanwhile VMware lets me work > with a current

Re: OT: Rant (re: wordperfect)

2002-01-27 Thread Andreas von Heydwolff
ben wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2002 10:18 am, Kent West wrote: [snip] Why oh why won't Corel release the old DOS version into the open source world? [snip Yes, but I don't particularly care if the DOS version is *made available*; I'd like it to be *made available as open source*. Then

Re: OT: Rant (re: wordperfect)

2002-01-27 Thread ben
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 10:18 am, Kent West wrote: [snip] > >> > >>Why oh why won't Corel release the old DOS version into the open source > >>world? > > [snip > > Yes, but I don't particularly care if the DOS version is *made > available*; I'd like it to be *made available as open source*. Th

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-26 Thread dman
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:29:18PM -0600, Dan Griswold wrote: | dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | > The LaTeX "center" environment follows that style too (FWIW). (I | > don't believe it is possible to have only part of a line be in a | > center environment. Nope, I just tried it. \begin{cent

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread Carel Fellinger
sorry to chime in so late, but I normally skip rants:) On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:09:00AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:57:50AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In TeX you should write > > > > lefthand string\hfilcenter string\hfilrighthand string > > I don't think

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread Kent West
Dave Sherohman wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a bunch of spaces to get everything to (maybe) line up. For those who don'

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread Andrew Perrin
It's also unclear why the tabular environment is "heavy" or "overkill": \begin{tabular}{lcr} lefthand string & centre string & righthandstring\\ \end{tabular} ap -- Andrew J Perrin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.unc.edu/~aperr

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:51:11 - (GMT), (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24-Jan-02 Dan Griswold wrote: > > dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The LaTeX "center" environment follows that style too (FWIW). (I > >> don't believe it is possible to have only part of a line be in a >

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:57:50AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In TeX you should write > > lefthand string\hfilcenter string\hfilrighthand string I don't think that would work properly in cases where the left and right sections are of different lengths. My understanding of how \hfil works

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread frankie
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:51:11AM -, Ted Harding wrote: > On 24-Jan-02 Dan Griswold wrote: > > dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The LaTeX "center" environment follows that style too (FWIW). (I > >> don't believe it is possible to have only part of a line be in a > >> center environment.

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-24 Thread Ted Harding
On 24-Jan-02 Dan Griswold wrote: > dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The LaTeX "center" environment follows that style too (FWIW). (I >> don't believe it is possible to have only part of a line be in a >> center environment. Nope, I just tried it. \begin{center} starts a >> new paragraph (or a

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-23 Thread Dan Griswold
dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The LaTeX "center" environment follows that style too (FWIW). (I > don't believe it is possible to have only part of a line be in a > center environment. Nope, I just tried it. \begin{center} starts a > new paragraph (or at least a line)) > The \tabular e

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-22 Thread dman
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:21:14AM -0600, Colin Watson wrote: | On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:27:47AM -0500, dman wrote: | > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: | > | man(1) Manual pager utils man(1) | > That is a tabular layout. You can

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:27:47AM -0500, dman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > | On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > | > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right > | > Justified text all on the same line,

Re: DTP Programs for Linux [Was Re: OT: Rant]

2002-01-21 Thread csj
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:17:45 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:43:12 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:45:39 -0600 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:39:26 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >

Re: DTP Programs for Linux [Was Re: OT: Rant]

2002-01-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:43:12 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:45:39 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:39:26 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> > john wrote: > > > > > > > csj wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > So

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-19 Thread csj
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:39:26 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > john wrote: > > > csj wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>The level of control you want for your documents is better served by a > >>dedicated DTP program like Ventura. The DOS version (running IIRC a > >>run-time version of the

DTP Programs for Linux [Was Re: OT: Rant]

2002-01-19 Thread csj
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:45:39 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:39:26 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > john wrote: > > > > > csj wrote: > [snip] > > > > > > So what would you recommend as a DTP program in Linux? > > There's one in Freshmeat. Don

RE: roff / tex comparison (was Re: OT: Rant)

2002-01-18 Thread darrell
i would like too throw my 2 cents in here, i started with lyx as a gui for latex, just installed the deb ( after wrestling with dselect ;) and am very happy with lyx, there were some post deb install issues that i had to fix, i am new to debian and dont want to track down the maintainer, so i

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-18 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 04:59:09PM -0800, D. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I will go WAY out on the LIMB here and say, I have a > WordPerfect8.tar.bz2 that I will share with anyone that wants it... I suspect that's the WP8 that _was_ distributed free for GNU/Linux. I suspect Corel's license doesn

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:39:26 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > john wrote: > > > csj wrote: [snip] > > > So what would you recommend as a DTP program in Linux? There's one in Freshmeat. Don't know how good it is, though. -- +

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread ben
On Thursday 17 January 2002 08:04 pm, you wrote: [snip] > FYI, The book version is the personal edition, which does not have all > the features of the full edition , WP8 ver 8.1 is the version with all > the features included. This is included i nthe Corel Linux Deluxe > editions, which can be had

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread Greg Madden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 January 2002 05:06 pm, ben wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 05:57 pm, Douglas Hespe wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:07:38AM -0800, ben wrote: > > > where exactly in Australia? I've got family over there, down > > > under there,

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread ben
On Thursday 17 January 2002 05:57 pm, Douglas Hespe wrote: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:07:38AM -0800, ben wrote: > > where exactly in Australia? I've got family over there, down under there, > > i mean. where, as in vendor outlets, can it be bought? and which version > > of wp is available? > > Hi

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread Douglas Hespe
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:07:38AM -0800, ben wrote: > > where exactly in Australia? I've got family over there, down under there, i > mean. where, as in vendor outlets, can it be bought? and which version of wp > is available? > Hi Ben, In Sydney there is a place called Basement Books

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread Kent West
john wrote: csj wrote: The level of control you want for your documents is better served by a dedicated DTP program like Ventura. The DOS version (running IIRC a run-time version of the GEM desktop environment) was fast, pretty fast even when run on an ancient XT. But I share the WP crowd's

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread john
csj wrote: > > I beg to disagree with the crowd. Its features aside, WP must be one of > the most vicious pieces of software I've handled, next perhaps only to > vi(cious ;8-). I'm not particularly demanding WRT ease of use: just > something you can start and exit without reading the manual. (I c

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-17 Thread csj
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:33:21 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ross Burton wrote: > > > On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 15:26, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > >>On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > >> > >>>And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right >

RE: roff / tex comparison (was Re: OT: Rant)

2002-01-17 Thread Ted Harding
On 17-Jan-02 dman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 07:25:32PM +, Ted Harding wrote: > >| I'd like to suggest giving 'groff' a try. > >| I reckon it's well up with TeX, and better in some respects. > > > Can you provide a list of the tradeoffs between [gnt]roff and (La)TeX? > > I've starte

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Douglas Hespe
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > > I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source > software that did what it does. > Kent, Here in Australia you can pick up remaindered copies of _WordPerfect_for_Linux_ for about AU$20 (~US$10). This has th

roff / tex comparison (was Re: OT: Rant)

2002-01-16 Thread dman
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 07:25:32PM +, Ted Harding wrote: | I'd like to suggest giving 'groff' a try. | I reckon it's well up with TeX, and better in some respects. Can you provide a list of the tradeoffs between [gnt]roff and (La)TeX? I've started with LaTeX; read lshort and now have Lamp

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Ron Johnson
The 2 of you install ssh. Then, scp is your friend. Of course, both of you better be on high-speed connections! On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:59:09 -0800 (PST) "D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will go WAY out on the LIMB here and say, I have a > WordPerfect8.tar.bz2 that I will share with anyone

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Stephen Gran
Thus spake D.: > I will go WAY out on the LIMB here and say, I have a > WordPerfect8.tar.bz2 that I will share with anyone > that wants it... If that's legal... I believe that I > downloaded it from the Peanut Linux web page. I have > not installed it on Debian so I can not say that it > will work

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread D.
I will go WAY out on the LIMB here and say, I have a WordPerfect8.tar.bz2 that I will share with anyone that wants it... If that's legal... I believe that I downloaded it from the Peanut Linux web page. I have not installed it on Debian so I can not say that it will work.. My delima is how do I ge

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Michael A. Miller
> "Kent" == Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] it's just that WP's method was so easy. Type your > text, hit Ctrl-F7, type the centered text, hit Alt-F7, type > the rightmost text, and you're done. It's easy in LaTeX too ... man(1) \hfill Manual pager utils \hfill ma

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Ted Harding
On 16-Jan-02 Kent West wrote: >>>On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: >>> And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a bunch of spaces to get everything to (maybe) line up.

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Kent West
dman wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 12:35:44PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | dman wrote: | | >On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: | >| On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | >| > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right |

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Ted Harding
On 16-Jan-02 Kent West wrote: >> Go with LaTeX. It works great. It isn't too hard to start learning, >> as long as you let go with of trying to control the _exact_ appearance >> of each letter on the page. > > But that's just it; I need to be able to control the _exact_ appearance > of each lett

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Gary Turner
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:19:49 -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: >Kent West wrote: > >> But that's just it; I need to be able to control the _exact_ appearance >> of each letter. > >Why? I understand wanting to be able to set up paragraph styles with >options for intra-line spacing, kerning, and so on, b

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Nori Heikkinen
on Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:19:49AM -0800, Craig Dickson insinuated: > > But that's just it; I need to be able to control the _exact_ > > appearance of each letter. > > Why? I understand wanting to be able to set up paragraph styles with > options for intra-line spacing, kerning, and so on, but why wou

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread dman
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 12:35:44PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | dman wrote: | | >On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: | >| On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | >| > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right | >| > Justified

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread ben
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 10:27 am, Lance Simmons wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:19:49AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > > Reveal Codes is not the sort of thing that your average secretary can > > understand easily. > > I know a lot of administrative assistants, and many, many of them long >

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Kent West
dman wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: | On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right | > Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a | > bunch of

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Kent West
Ross Burton wrote: On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 15:26, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a bunch of spaces to get eve

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread p
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 12:27:22PM -0600, Lance Simmons wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:19:49AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > > > > Reveal Codes is not the sort of thing that your average secretary can > > understand easily. > > I know a lot of administrative assistants, and many, many of the

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Kent West
dman wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 02:10:45PM +0100, Romuald DELAVERGNE wrote: | Le 2002.01.16 00:51, dman a écrit : | > What!? This doesn't make sense to me at all. Left, Center, and Right | > Justified describes how the alignment of the line is. How can a line | > be aligned 3 ways simulta

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Lance Simmons
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:19:49AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > > Reveal Codes is not the sort of thing that your average secretary can > understand easily. I know a lot of administrative assistants, and many, many of them long for the days of Reveal Codes. They still love WordPerfect 5.1, and r

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Craig Dickson
Kent West wrote: > But that's just it; I need to be able to control the _exact_ appearance > of each letter. Why? I understand wanting to be able to set up paragraph styles with options for intra-line spacing, kerning, and so on, but why would you need to be able to change these things on a lett

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Kent West
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I know it's not appropriate to rant, especially off-topic, but I just gotta! I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source software that did what it does. And being ab

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Kent West
dman wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right | Justified text all on the same line, What!? This doesn't make sense to me at all. Left, Center, and Right Justified describes how the alignment of

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 15:26, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right > > Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a > > bunch of spaces to get everything to

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread dman
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: | On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right | > Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a | > bunch of spaces to get e

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Alan Shutko
"Karsten M. Self" writes: > Note that Corel _did_ (does?) have a Unix-native version, including a > console mode (not available, AFAIK, in the WP8 which was made generally > available for GNU/Linux). This would seem to be the program you're > looking for. What the availability of this program i

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread The Doctor What
WP 5.1 (or was it 5.2) rocked. * dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020116 09:26]: > Can you show an ASCII-art version of what it would look like? +--+ | | | Left Center Right | | | +

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right > Justified text all on the same line, so you don't have to throw in a > bunch of spaces to get everything to (maybe) line up. For those who don't grok this, look at th

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread dman
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 02:10:45PM +0100, Romuald DELAVERGNE wrote: | Le 2002.01.16 00:51, dman a écrit : | > What!? This doesn't make sense to me at all. Left, Center, and Right | > Justified describes how the alignment of the line is. How can a line | > be aligned 3 ways simultaneously? Perha

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Romuald DELAVERGNE
Le 2002.01.16 00:51, dman a écrit : > What!? This doesn't make sense to me at all. Left, Center, and Right > Justified describes how the alignment of the line is. How can a line > be aligned 3 ways simultaneously? Perhaps you mean to have a 3-column > section where each column has separate alig

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-16 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I know it's not appropriate to rant, especially off-topic, but I just gotta! > > I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source > software that did what it does. > > For example, Reveal Codes, and

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-15 Thread Gary L. Dolan
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > I know it's not appropriate to rant, especially off-topic, but I just gotta! > > I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source > software that did what it does. > Ditto to the entire rant. I still have W98, in order

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-15 Thread Alan Shutko
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (Yes, I could purchase the commercial version of Corel Office, but a > Wine-ified version just doesn't seem kosher, not to mention that this > would have to come out of my own pocket since the workplace doesn't > smile friendly yet on Linux, so for now I'm w

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-15 Thread Ron Johnson
Kent West wrote: I know it's not appropriate to rant, especially off-topic, but I just gotta! I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source software that did what it does. For example, Reveal Codes, and being able to find and remove that offending font change, or table

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-15 Thread nate
> I know it's not appropriate to rant, especially off-topic, but I > just gotta! > > I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source > software that did what it does. i sorta miss wordperfect too. though wordperfect office 2000 was virtually unusable for me.last time i used it,

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-15 Thread dman
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:55:05PM -0600, Kent West wrote: | And being able to have Left Justified, Center Justified, and Right | Justified text all on the same line, What!? This doesn't make sense to me at all. Left, Center, and Right Justified describes how the alignment of the line is. Ho

Re: OT: Rant

2002-01-15 Thread Greg C. Madden
On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 13:55, Kent West wrote: > I know it's not appropriate to rant, especially off-topic, but I just gotta! > > I really miss WordPerfect! And I wish there were some open-source > software that did what it does. I feel your pain :) I like, use WP8 for Linux. All I can say I have