On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:35:41 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100
> > Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >
> > > Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
> > > > Curt Howland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> >
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 09:54, Doug wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 09:43 AM, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
>>
>> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schr
On 02/27/2012 09:43 AM, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
Curt Howland wrote:
Well, I have the new computer and booting
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Andreas Weber wrote:
>
> Funny enough nobody talked about energy consumption yet. If you would
> buy a car or any other device, this would immediately be a point worth
> considering, wouldn't it?
>
> I suggest you buy a Mac Mini (-Server if you like to have 2 disks
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 06:43, Sian Mountbatten
wrote:
>
> One problem. The Wifi card is a RealTek TL-WN781ND
You mean TP-Link TL-WN781ND
RealTek is a wifi (and other) chip manufacture, not a card maker.
Atheros is the the chip make for this one.
> which according to
> my web search for Linux dr
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100
>> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>>
>> > Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
>> > > Curt Howland wrote:
Well, I have the new computer and booting up is definitely faster.
As it h
Funny enough nobody talked about energy consumption yet. If you would
buy a car or any other device, this would immediately be a point worth
considering, wouldn't it?
I suggest you buy a Mac Mini (-Server if you like to have 2 disks).
- works fine with Debian
- uses only a fraction of power compa
On Vi, 24 feb 12, 15:34:51, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> I recommend Wheezy for Sandybridge. For Squeeze you´d need recent
> backports of kernel, X.org and mesa.
Which are available in backports.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Doug writes:
>>> I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to
>>> date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so.
> >
>> sounds like debian/testing :-)
>> With debian/stesing there is a benefit: You can stop updating once
>> "testing" is declared "stable".
>
> At th
On 02/26/2012 06:50 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
Doug wrote:
This may be heretical for this list, but there are other distros in
the world.
I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to
date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so.
sounds like debian/testing :-)
Doug wrote:
> This may be heretical for this list, but there are other distros in
> the world.
> I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to
> date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so.
sounds like debian/testing :-)
With debian/stesing there is a benefit: Yo
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:03:46 +0100
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> >> Squeeze stuff is rather old by now.
> >
> > Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around
> > saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is
> > shipping badly broken so
On Sun, 2012-02-26 at 06:03 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> >> Squeeze stuff is rather old by now.
> >
> > Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around
> > saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is
> > shipping badly broken soft
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> > Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
> > > Curt Howland wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
> > >
On 02/26/2012 12:03 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
Celejar wrote:
Squeeze stuff is rather old by now.
Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around
saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is
shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete
Celejar wrote:
>> Squeeze stuff is rather old by now.
>
> Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around
> saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is
> shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware.
>
Well, this is the way the d
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:50:21 -0500
Doug wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 09:22 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
> >> Curt Howland wrote:
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
> >>> perfectly well with the st
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
> > Curt Howland wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
> > > perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay
On 02/24/2012 06:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
I recommend Wheezy for Sandybridge. For Squeeze you´d need recent
backports of kernel, X.org and mesa.
That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation. :-)
David
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On 02/24/2012 09:22 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
Curt Howland wrote:
...
It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay
purely open-source.
That's what everyo
Am Freitag, 24. Februar 2012 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Still 0,4% annual failure rate for X25-M is 4 drives out of 1000 in
> one year and it is always good to keep a backup! I have not yet seen
> numbers for Intel SSD 320 tough and they have had and probably even
> still have a 8 MB bug. Searc
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
> On Lu, 20 feb 12, 16:29:18, Doug wrote:
> > You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have
> > a limited read/write cycle.
>
> Recent studies seem to suggest that the limited read/write cycles are
> unlikely to affect norm
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:17 -0500, Allan Wind wrote:
> > Memory is cheap. More is better as Linux uses it for disk cache
> > if nothing else.
>
> For heavy audio production I never noticed that even the swap gets
> touched with 4GB RAM.
That d
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb David Christensen:
> On 02/20/2012 06:58 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also
> > consider Intel cards (or even built-in),
>
> I prefer full FOSS HW support OOTB and have had the best experiences
> wi
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
> On Lu, 20 feb 12, 17:09:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can
> >
Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar:
> Curt Howland wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
> > perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay
> > purely open-source.
>
> That's what everyone says, but it's not as true
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
> On Lu, 20 feb 12, 14:19:36, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> > My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a
> > new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good
> > thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I'm going to ask
Curt Howland writes:
> The only thing I did for "Linux compatibility" was to not get on-board
> graphics. I bought an Nvidia-based graphics card that was not
> "bleeding edge", even though it's got 3D acceleration. The card has
> it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thin
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:58:03PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> The computer consultant has actually printed out on a piece of
> A5-sized paper just what he's offering. I'm going to ignore the
> Intel Core i3-2100 with 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM and get the higher
> spec. machine.
> It will have Inte
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using.
>> It's not overly clean, but I can live with it.
>
> How to clean a dirty (fatty) keyboard:
> --
>
> Mix liquid ammonia concentrate
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 01:19, Sian Mountbatten
wrote:
>
> Wifi: yes. I do not have broadband. The consultant has a Wifi network which
> I can pick up in my living room.
Ah, I did not see this when I wrote my response.
Check on the card/chipset. As I said, drivers can still be iffy,
though much
Sian (and all),
Congratulations on the work you've done with Algol, Literate Programming, and
such! Those are all interests of mine, as well, (Well, from Algol, I
eventually moved on to Pascal, and never really grokked C/C++, although I'm
still making sporadic efforts to learn enough C++ to
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 21 feb 12, 22:58:03, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
It will have Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz Socket LGA1155, MSI Z68S REV
B3 motherboard, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 256MB
PCI-Express graphics, an SSD OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA instead
of a hard disk drive
I wouldn't worry about SSD failure. At least, not as much as one usually
worries about HDD failure :)
The guys at hardware.fr did a nice experiment: they set up a computer to do
continuous write-erase cycles on an SSD in order to see how long it would
last, and when performance decreases would sta
On 2/21/2012 9:15 PM, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> What do you think about this article on SSD and errors?
> Link:http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224322/SSDs_have_a_bleak_future_researchers_say
I'll tell you in 2024 at 6.5nm when we reach "the end".
In the mean time, anyone using a consumer MLC
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:48:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 20 feb 12, 16:29:18, Doug wrote:
> >
> > You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have
> > a limited read/write cycle.
>
> Recent studies seem to suggest that the limited read/write cycles are
> unli
On Ma, 21 feb 12, 22:58:03, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> It will have Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz Socket LGA1155, MSI Z68S REV
> B3 motherboard, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 256MB
> PCI-Express graphics, an SSD OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA instead
> of a hard disk drive, a Samsung DVD-R
Tom H wrote:
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:13 -0500
Curt Howland wrote:
It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay
purely open-source.
Well, the comments on t
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:13 -0500
> Curt Howland wrote:
>>
>> It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
>> perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay
>> purely open-source.
>
> That's what everyone s
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:13 -0500
Curt Howland wrote:
...
> It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work
> perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay
> purely open-source.
That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze
is shi
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using.
> It's not overly clean, but I can live with it.
> --
> Sian Mountbatten
> Algol 68 specialist
Moin mitnanner,
How to clean a dirty (fatty) keyboard:
---
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 07:48, Randy Kramer wrote:
> On Monday 20 February 2012 10:17:46 am Allan Wind wrote:
>> You did not mention monitors but high definition has brought the
>> larger ones way down in price. 30" monitors (2560x1600) are
>> still in a different price league but to me it is wor
On Monday 20 February 2012 10:17:46 am Allan Wind wrote:
> You did not mention monitors but high definition has brought the
> larger ones way down in price. 30" monitors (2560x1600) are
> still in a different price league but to me it is worth it. If
> you are buying a 30" consider one with Displ
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 19:38:30, Doug wrote:
> After the plug game, the k/b works fine, and I never used a numberpad
> anyway--all my boards have numbers on the top row--don't all of them?
Yes, but the numpad is very efficient if you have to input a lot of
numbers.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On 2/20/2012 7:14 PM, Rob Owens wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:54:54PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 10:15:13, Curt Howland wrote:
I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2
sockets for keyboards.
I have been looking only at mini-ITX motherboards
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:54:54PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 20 feb 12, 10:15:13, Curt Howland wrote:
> >
> > I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2
> > sockets for keyboards.
>
> I have been looking only at mini-ITX motherboards lately and I seem to
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 16:29:18, Doug wrote:
>
> You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have
> a limited read/write cycle.
Recent studies seem to suggest that the limited read/write cycles are
unlikely to affect normal usage.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On 02/20/2012 06:58 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also
consider Intel cards (or even built-in),
I prefer full FOSS HW support OOTB and have had the best experiences
with Intel processors and integrated motherboards (video, sound,
PAT
On 2/20/2012 9:19 AM, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new
computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing.
So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only
downstairs from me, to build me a compute
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 10:15:13, Curt Howland wrote:
>
> I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2
> sockets for keyboards.
I have been looking only at mini-ITX motherboards lately and I seem to
recall models without PS/2, but you are probably right about full-sized
ATX
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:31, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:15 -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
>> The card has
>> it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thing
>
> It's a myth that shared RAM for the framebuffer is less good than a
> graphics with it's own RAM.
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 17:09:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also
> > > consider Intel cards (or even built-in)
>
> Do the
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:17 -0500, Allan Wind wrote:
> Memory is cheap. More is better as Linux uses it for disk cache
> if nothing else.
For heavy audio production I never noticed that even the swap gets
touched with 4GB RAM.
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On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:15 -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> The card has
> it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thing
It's a myth that shared RAM for the framebuffer is less good than a
graphics with it's own RAM. What exactly should be better if the
graphics has got it's o
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2012-02-20 08:58 -0600:
> OTOH I doubt tuxracer has very high 3d performance requirements.
Extreme TuxRacer works fine on my Intel GM965, fullscreen.
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:58:56PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I always use two HDDs, to make backups from one to the other, but just
> two, to get less noise and power consumption.
> The casing is the week point of my machine.
>
Good point about the case. I've seen so many cases that only have
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also
> > consider Intel cards (or even built-in)
Do they have 3D support?
> You can
> drop ATA, all you need is SA
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:58, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
>> My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a
>> new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good
>> thing.
>>
> If you plan to use wireles
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Especially today most distros dropped the nv driver,
> but the proprietary can't be used all the times. The nouveau driver for
> most distros, including Debian ex testing, is the only alternative to
> the proprietary one.
This driver is mark
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:15, Curt Howland wrote:
>
> The only thing I did for "Linux compatibility" was to not get on-board
> graphics.
Onboard graphics (Intel) is the best way to get Linux compatibility,
actually. Although they have not provide specs like AMD, the level
of support they put in
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 20 feb 12, 14:19:36, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> > My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a
> > new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good
> > thing.
> >
> > So I'm going to ask my fr
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:19, Sian Mountbatten
wrote:
> My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new
> computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing.
>
> So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs
> from me, to bui
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a
> new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good
> thing.
>
If you plan to use wireless networking, make sure you check reviews on
newegg, ama
Hi Sian,
Memory is cheap. More is better as Linux uses it for disk cache
if nothing else.
There is a large difference in performance of SSDs and the score
board changes fairly quickly. Make sure you have non-crippled
SATA 3 controller to get most out of them.
Consider some of the high-end l
On Monday 20 February 2012 14:19:36 Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> It's not overly clean, but I can live with it.
Perhaps clean it??? I use methylated spirit here in the UK. You just want
alcohol, a lint-free cloth and cotton buds. Then you would not have to live
with it.
I would certainly recomm
Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only
> downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d
> acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and
> what works with Linux?
Sian,
Two years ago I did the same thing. Q
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 14:19:36, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
> My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a
> new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good
> thing.
>
> So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only
> downstairs from me, to buil
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