Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Sb, 03 iul 10, 11:35:05, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > Okay. So, good news. The fact is that the installer first lets you do > something, and then prevents you from doing this. Weird, but, at least, > the problems which could arise if such choices were accepted, won't arise. It actually makes

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 03:47:04PM +0100, Lisi wrote: > >> On Friday 02 July 2010 15:14:03 Merciadri Luca wrote: >> >>> Rob Owens wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Mark wrote: > >>

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 03:47:04PM +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 02 July 2010 15:14:03 Merciadri Luca wrote: > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > >> Mark wrote: > > >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > > >>> > >>>

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Friday 02 July 2010 15:14:03 Merciadri Luca wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> Mark wrote: > >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > >>> >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Mark wrote

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Rob Owens wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> Mark wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mark wrote: >>> >>> > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginne

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > > > > wrote: > > > > Mark wrote: > > > > > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post so > >

Re: Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

sub-directory of /var at install time, I would imagine? Although it would make more sense doing so with /home for instance - possibly on large multiuser system, e.g. -- Original Message -- From: "Alan Chandler" a...@chandlerfamily.org.uk Date: Jun. 30 2010 06:43AM Subject

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Alan Chandler wrote: On 30/06/10 09:29, Merciadri Luca wrote: I find this perfect, but it should be coupled with the impossibility of putting on two partitions the same stuff, i.e. putting /var on two partitions, for example. You are still talking backwards You put the partition (/dev/sdXY

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Alan Chandler wrote: > On 30/06/10 09:29, Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> I find this perfect, but it should be coupled with the impossibility of >> putting on two partitions the same stuff, i.e. putting /var on two >> partitions, for example. >> > > > You are still talking backwards > > You put the par

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On 30/06/10 09:29, Merciadri Luca wrote: I find this perfect, but it should be coupled with the impossibility of putting on two partitions the same stuff, i.e. putting /var on two partitions, for example. You are still talking backwards You put the partition (/dev/sdXY) on /var not the othe

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mi, 30 iun 10, 10:29:20, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > >> I find this perfect, but it should be coupled with the impossibility of >> putting on two partitions the same stuff, i.e. putting /var on two >> partitions, for example. >> > > For this there would have to

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:20:20 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > >> Camaleón wrote: >> > > >>> It depends. There are many situations and setups where having a >>> separate disk and/or partition is a very good choice (speed or >>> security/redundancy gains). >>> >>>

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Mi, 30 iun 10, 10:29:20, Merciadri Luca wrote: > I find this perfect, but it should be coupled with the impossibility of > putting on two partitions the same stuff, i.e. putting /var on two > partitions, for example. For this there would have to be two /var in the tree ;) Regards, Andrei -

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Ma, 29 iun 10, 17:15:38, Joey Hess wrote: > >> The mental model that most non-beginners should have is that the system's >> root is / , which is where some system disk is mounted, and that additional >> disks are mounted to other mount points in the tree. The disk moun

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:20:20 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> It depends. There are many situations and setups where having a >> separate disk and/or partition is a very good choice (speed or >> security/redundancy gains). >> > Sure, but I did not want to say that using differ

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Ma, 29 iun 10, 17:15:38, Joey Hess wrote: > > The mental model that most non-beginners should have is that the system's > root is / , which is where some system disk is mounted, and that additional > disks are mounted to other mount points in the tree. The disk mounted at / > is not a special c

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:12:40PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > Huh? There isn't a difference. Or, at least you are going to have > > to be a bit more explicit about what you want told to not-new users. > > The partition containing your file system mounted at

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Mark wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > > wrote: > > Mark wrote: > > > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post so > > if a non-beginner can't get the Bootable Flag set up on the right > > par

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 29. 06. 2010 22:48:59 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a): >> the distinction the Debian installer makes >> between the `/' as it is normally in Linux filesystems, and the `/' in >> the installation process, which is actually everything except what was >> asked to be put on other pa

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca < luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be> wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post so > > if a non-beginner can't get the Bootable Flag set up on the right > > partition to boot, they are not a non-beginn

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Joey Hess wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> First, I always found the `mount point' expression weird in this >> context, because, for me, the mount point _is_ always the partition, >> during the installation, but this is not the problem. >> > > You have this common terminology exactly bac

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:02:49 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > (...) > > >> First, I always found the `mount point' expression weird in this >> context, because, for me, the mount point _is_ always the partition, >> during the installation, but this is not the problem. >> >

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Mark wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Merciadri Luca > > wrote: > > > A last problem (still for me) is that the `Bootable flag' thing is not > clear: you can choose to put the bootable flag on, say, /tmp/ (if you > choose to put /tmp/ o

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Dne, 29. 06. 2010 22:48:59 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a): the distinction the Debian installer makes between the `/' as it is normally in Linux filesystems, and the `/' in the installation process, which is actually everything except what was asked to be put on other partitions. And what, pray,

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Merciadri Luca wrote: > First, I always found the `mount point' expression weird in this > context, because, for me, the mount point _is_ always the partition, > during the installation, but this is not the problem. You have this common terminology exactly backwards. One mounts /dev/hda1 on mount

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:02:49 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: (...) > First, I always found the `mount point' expression weird in this > context, because, for me, the mount point _is_ always the partition, > during the installation, but this is not the problem. "Mount point" or "bind" yes, at last i

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Merciadri Luca < luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be> wrote: > > A last problem (still for me) is that the `Bootable flag' thing is not > clear: you can choose to put the bootable flag on, say, /tmp/ (if you > choose to put /tmp/ on a seperate partition), where I don'

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:48:59 Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> I'm not sure to understand fully your answer. I know that `guided >> partitioning' is what's adviced for a new user, because it's easy to >> configurate, but I'm here speaking about users who're not begin

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:48:59 Merciadri Luca wrote: > I'm not sure to understand fully your answer. I know that `guided > partitioning' is what's adviced for a new user, because it's easy to > configurate, but I'm here speaking about users who're not beginners, > but who want to understand the d

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

Jordan Metzmeier wrote: > On 06/29/2010 04:48 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > I'm not sure to understand fully your answer. I know that `guided > > partitioning' is what's adviced for a new user, because it's easy to > > configurate, but I'm here speaking about users who're not beginners, > > but who

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/29/2010 04:48 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote: > I'm not sure to understand fully your answer. I know that `guided > partitioning' is what's adviced for a new user, because it's easy to > configurate, but I'm here speaking about users who're not begin

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not sure to understand fully your answer. I know that `guided partitioning' is what's adviced for a new user, because it's easy to configurate, but I'm here speaking about users who're not beginners, but who want to understand the distinction the D

Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/29/2010 04:02 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to reinstall Debian on an older PC where I had installed RH > some months ago. I had numerous problems because of RH (I don't like RH > at all, actually). > > I often install Debian o