RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

> -Original Message- > As for Matthew' comments earlier today, i'll ignore his > sarcasm. Senator Richard Alston wouldn't know how to wipe > his arse let alone answer an email. It was not sarcasm. I emailed him right after that post, I asked fot the Australian Govenmants posistion on

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:09:18 +1100 "Joyce, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps people will start to use the existing cpus for longer, and > recycle older ones, distributed processing etc, instead of feeling > they must upgrade their hardware because there is an upgrade > available. >

RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Colin Watson said on 5 November 2002 1:38 PM >Why, thank you so much. I generally don't complain publicly about this >sort of thing, and don't propose to change that because I'm no good at >it and would generally just be counter-productive. I take offence at the >suggestion that I'm "[sitting] on

RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

> From: David Pastern [mailto:david@;scsenterprises.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2002 1:14 PM > To: 'debian-user ' > Subject: RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA > > > Matthew Joyce said on 11/5/02 10:09 AM > > >Perhaps people will start

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 01:17:28PM +1100, David Pastern wrote: > Yes my comments were a rant if you want to look at that (hell I think I > actually said that in the post in jest). If you want to call it fanatacism > so be it. It's people that sit on their bums and cop it sweet and don't > complai

RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Matthew Joyce said on 11/5/02 10:09 AM >Perhaps people will start to use the existing cpus for longer, and >recycle older ones, distributed processing etc, instead of feeling they must >upgrade their hardware because there is an upgrade available. >However, emailing all my friends and family and

RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Perhaps people will start to use the existing cpus for longer, and recycle older ones, distributed processing etc, instead of feeling they must upgrade their hardware because there is an upgrade available. However, emailing all my friends and family and trying to explain TCPA to them and ask them

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

- Original Message - From: "Josh Rehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA > It's really hard to control the container because people are sma

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 12:35:17AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > Luckily, if this happens to x86 some day, everyone in 'Free' communities > will have a damn good reason to leave this platform in droves. :) From what I've read, this won't actually work: TCPA enabled systems will still run obsoleted op

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021103 23:38]: > On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 12:19:44PM -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > > FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD!!! This is completely all wrong. Recently a talk > > was given at MIT by one of the designers of Microsoft Palladium (their > > trusted computing in

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 12:19:44PM -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD!!! This is completely all wrong. Recently a talk > was given at MIT by one of the designers of Microsoft Palladium (their > trusted computing initiative) at MIT. I was at the talk, which received > lots of

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 07:32:16PM +0200, Johan Ehnberg wrote: > Yes, you really sound like you've attended a Microsoft talk. :=). > Congratulations, you have been brain washed.

RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

I've read that FAQ, and have to say I'm unimpressed. As I've stated before, there are only two routes to control information: control the container, or control the conduits. It's really hard to control the container because people are smart, and generally ornery sons-of-bitches. Containers can (an

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > [ I've pruned the giant list of innappropriate and off-topic CCs ] > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 11:57:51PM +0100, Hauke Goos-Habermann wrote: > >>Microsoft plans to kill all OpenSource software on hardware level. This >>technology is called TCPA. > > > FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

[ I've pruned the giant list of innappropriate and off-topic CCs ] On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 11:57:51PM +0100, Hauke Goos-Habermann wrote: > Microsoft plans to kill all OpenSource software on hardware level. This > technology is called TCPA. FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD!!! This is completely all wrong. R

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 08:49:15AM -0800, Bob Nielsen wrote: > Hopefully AMD will make non-TCPA x86 chips rather than caving-in to > the M$/Intel collusion. No such luck, AMD is part of the TCPA consortium too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trou

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Bob Nielsen wrote: On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 07:52:39PM +1100, Russell wrote: Alan Chandler wrote: If we then have a situation where Windows software has all these controls built in to it - with keys being controlled back at Redmond, and Linux with the keys being controlled by the owner of the PC

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 07:52:39PM +1100, Russell wrote: > Alan Chandler wrote: > > > ... > > If we then have a situation where Windows software has all these controls > > built in to it - with keys being controlled back at Redmond, and Linux with > > the keys being controlled by the owner of the

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:53:48 -0600 From: "Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Top posting so this can be clearly read. . . . That's where I stopped reading. ~ ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On 03/11/02 David Pastern did speaketh: > Personally, i'm very anti religion, very anti government, very anti modern > fiscal policy. They are all evil implementations of control over the normal > populace. Lets lose the bulls**t rhetoric please and stick to the fscking point. You're hurti

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

> > I know - but the point I was making was that there are already too > many political and commercial pressures supporting Linux to NOT let > someone put a strangle hold on the keys for lots of $$. Anyone > trying it will > > a) Either be trumped by government who will ensure that linux > deve

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 03 November 2002 8:56 am, Klaus Imgrund wrote: > It seems the problem is not how to do it but how to pay for it. > Every new version of every program needs to be certified and that will > cost a lot of $$ - I am sure somebody will see to tha

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:07:02 + Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 03 November 2002 5:27 am, John S. J. Anderson wrote: > > "Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In the meantime, can anyone please tell me what th

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Alan Chandler wrote: > ... > If we then have a situation where Windows software has all these controls > built in to it - with keys being controlled back at Redmond, and Linux with > the keys being controlled by the owner of the PC (I am assuming the open > source community will still use the fac

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 03 November 2002 5:27 am, John S. J. Anderson wrote: > "Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > In the meantime, can anyone please tell me what this TCPA is all about? > > Have a look at Ross Anderson's excellent TCPA / Palladium FAQ a

RE: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

website previously posted on Sunday 03/11/2002 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html Very interesting read. I don't know about America, but Australia has things called referendums. They're hard to force, but if public opinion is strong enough the Australia government generally will

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Larry Alkoff wrote: > > Top posting so this can be clearly read. > > I'm interested in what TCPA is but the web site mentioned is very poorly written. > There is no clear explanation of what TCPA is and why it should be opposed > on the main page. > > Examination of the web site gave me no infor

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 12:27:03AM -0500, John S. J. Anderson wrote: > "Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In the meantime, can anyone please tell me what this TCPA is all about? > > Have a look at Ross Anderson's excellent TCPA / Palladium FAQ at >

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

"Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the meantime, can anyone please tell me what this TCPA is all about? Have a look at Ross Anderson's excellent TCPA / Palladium FAQ at . john. -- Internet FAQs, #666: > A: No. > Q: Should I include quo

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Top posting so this can be clearly read. I'm interested in what TCPA is but the web site mentioned is very poorly written. There is no clear explanation of what TCPA is and why it should be opposed on the main page. Examination of the web site gave me no information about TCPA at all. It's a good

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

Hi Hauke: Even I did not know about this I am not surprised, day after day governments and big companys try to control us more and more. Reading about it i found in every paragraph violation of our privacy rights. They are planning to gain a lot of space by this move, but is in our hands to fig