Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 8:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2019 19:05:23 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > >> > were legendari

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Saturday 29 June 2019 19:05:23 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > >> > were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it. > >> > >> It was ar

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors >> > were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it. >> >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the >> Ch

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it. > > It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > Chinese manage to steal the formu

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:42 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it. > > It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > Chinese manage to steal

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 2019-06-28, deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> There was a period a decade back where the capacitors >> were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it. > > It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the Chinese > manage to steal the formula from Japan, bu

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Gene Heskett wrote: > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it. It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few things wrongly and the wo

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Thu 27 Jun 2019 at 17:20:16 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 27 June 2019 14:13:22 David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 27 Jun 2019 at 18:44:59 (+0300), Reco wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > That has led to finding these lines in systemd's jo

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Thursday 27 June 2019 14:13:22 David Wright wrote: > On Thu 27 Jun 2019 at 18:44:59 (+0300), Reco wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > That has led to finding these lines in systemd's journal: > > > > ... > > > > > Jun 27 09:47:06 west systemd-backlight

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Thu 27 Jun 2019 at 18:44:59 (+0300), Reco wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > That has led to finding these lines in systemd's journal: > ... > > Jun 27 09:47:06 west systemd-backlight[615]: Failed to write > > system 'brightness' attribute: Input

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi. On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > That has led to finding these lines in systemd's journal: ... > Jun 27 09:47:06 west systemd-backlight[615]: Failed to write system > 'brightness' attribute: Input/output error ... > which suggests there's so

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat 11 May 2019 at 16:42:04 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 13:20:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > My interest in this stems from a Laptop on which you are blind until > > the kernel loads (ie text pours down the screen). No boot selection > > menu, no CMOS screens, no Grub scree

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 16:18:51 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2019-05-10 13:32 (UTC-0500): > > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 12:06:05 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> what I virtually always do, install from network, beginning with fetching > >>

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, experts I want to summary the cases I tested here to this topic, FYI. Brian mentioned the installation could be finished in case 1 , but i'm still with no luck. | Index | Case | Result | | 1 | GRUB + netinst iso | Can start debian installer but can't

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat 11 May 2019 at 16:21:41 -0400, An Liu wrote: > > Try booting the mini.iso with GRUB's loopback. You might have a pleasant > > surprise! > > > Yes, boot with GRUB's loopback, I can start debian-installer, impressive! I used the i-386 stretch mini.iso successfully. > But it still failed at

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat, 11 May 2019 20:41:04 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Sat 11 May 2019 at 13:26:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday 11 May 2019 11:42:04 am Brian wrote: > > [...] > > > > You are in a bad way. I wouldn't even wish that on those users > > > who see -user as a Windows support list.

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

> Try booting the mini.iso with GRUB's loopback. You might have a pleasant > surprise! > Yes, boot with GRUB's loopback, I can start debian-installer, impressive! But it still failed at detect media step. As we can't mount loop devices in busy box, if we could extract the contents in this ISO to s

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat 11 May 2019 at 13:26:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 11 May 2019 11:42:04 am Brian wrote: [...] > > You are in a bad way. I wouldn't even wish that on those users who see > > -user as a Windows support list. :) > > FWIW Brian, i did finally get that "W" box to work this morn

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Saturday 11 May 2019 01:46:07 pm Joe wrote: > On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:26:33 -0400 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > For those that did try to help, it appears > > that "run as administrator" is no longer part of windows 10 home > > edition, > > Works For Me (tm). > > Most applications have a right-c

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:26:33 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > For those that did try to help, it appears > that "run as administrator" is no longer part of windows 10 home > edition, Works For Me (tm). Most applications have a right-click Run As Administrator option. What you don't have is the

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Saturday 11 May 2019 11:42:04 am Brian wrote: > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 13:20:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 16:28:09 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > I am not sure An Liu is asking for help with installing Red Hat. > > > > I understand that. But, because of the earlier post t

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 13:20:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 16:28:09 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > I am not sure An Liu is asking for help with installing Red Hat. > > I understand that. But, because of the earlier post that I mentioned before, > https://lists.debian.org/d

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Sat 11 May 2019 at 07:51:53 -0400, An Liu wrote: > Hi, Pascal > > IIRC and although it did not change with Buster, the initrd.gz in > > installation images does not include the loop module either. So it is > > not able be able to mount an ISO image. > > Yes, you are right, neither could i mou

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Le 11/05/2019 à 13:51, An Liu a écrit : Yes, you are right, neither could i mount ext4 partitions within busybox But it is able to mount vfat partition, maybe it's for UEFI? No, it is not meant for UEFI. It is meant for USB sticks which are (were ?) most often formatted with FAT. This is als

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, Pascal > IIRC and although it did not change with Buster, the initrd.gz in > installation images does not include the loop module either. So it is > not able be able to mount an ISO image. Yes, you are right, neither could i mount ext4 partitions within busybox But it is able to mount vfat pa

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Le 10/05/2019 à 16:24, An Liu a écrit : The initrd.gz included in Debian installer ISO images cannot read files from an ISO image, only from a plain drive or partition. This is why you need an initrd.gz for hd-media. Note that there may also be restrictions about the supported filesystem types

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

David Wright composed on 2019-05-10 13:32 (UTC-0500): > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 12:06:05 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: >> what I virtually always do, install from network, beginning with fetching >>

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 12:06:05 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > Brian composed on 2019-05-10 16:32 (UTC+0100): > > > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 08:49:25 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > >> What worries me about this thread is that the OP (who doesn't seem to > >> know how the various parts of the d-i are m

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 16:28:09 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 11:04:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 08:57:20AM -0600, An Liu wrote: > > > As all knows, redhat 8 was announced available serveral days ago, and > > > i got the DVD iso, and i want to have a

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 09:55:06 -0600, An Liu wrote: > appreciate your opinion, more than technical point of view :) -- Brian.

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Brian composed on 2019-05-10 16:32 (UTC+0100): > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 08:49:25 -0500, David Wright wrote: >> What worries me about this thread is that the OP (who doesn't seem to >> know how the various parts of the d-i are meant to work together) has >> just last week posted a recipe claiming t

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

appreciate your opinion, more than technical point of view -- Liu An

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

HI, Brian, > I am not sure An Liu is asking for help with installing Red Hat. No, because all problem settled. Cheers. Actually there is a 'LIVE OS' hidden in RHEL's DVD, then followed by switch-root within a dracut image, which differs from Debian's installation. I'll look into it if i can go

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 05/10/2019 10:04 AM, An Liu wrote: Multi-Boot allows Linux and *any other* OS to reside on the same medium. sure, and what's next? i have 5 OS on my PC, The order of installation is not quite the problem, as i USE UEFI I said i was just talking about install media, not install target. Thoug

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 11:04:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 08:57:20AM -0600, An Liu wrote: > > As all knows, redhat 8 was announced available serveral days ago, and > > i got the DVD iso, and i want to have a try > > > We have a solution for debian, as mentioned, use hd

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 08:49:25 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 10 May 2019 at 13:44:03 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 06:31:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > That's one of a number of possible guesses of OP's intent. > > > > Yep :-) > > > >

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

> This makes no sense. If you want to learn how to install Red Hat, you > should ask a Red Hat mailing list, not a Debian mailing list. > > We don't know how to install Red Hat. Yes, That's why I don't ask how to do here but to figure it out, as talking that is something of topic I just wonder i

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

> Multi-Boot allows Linux and *any other* OS to reside on the same medium. sure, and what's next? i have 5 OS on my PC, The order of installation is not quite the problem, as i USE UEFI I said i was just talking about install media, not install target. Though I have a HD could work as install-med

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 08:57:20AM -0600, An Liu wrote: > As all knows, redhat 8 was announced available serveral days ago, and > i got the DVD iso, and i want to have a try > We have a solution for debian, as mentioned, use hd-media (vmlinuz, > initrd.gz with iso-scan) in step 2 , so it's not

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, All, I'm very happy to see many people try to help, and want to describe why i have such kind of questions As all knows, redhat 8 was announced available serveral days ago, and i got the DVD iso, and i want to have a try (for myself i use debian on my pc, but enterprise customs use RHEL/Cent

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 05/10/2019 09:34 AM, An Liu wrote: Hi, Richard Thank you for you information, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s05.html.en Chapter title: Before Installing Debian GNU/Linux Section Title: Pre-Partitioning for Multi-Boot Systems Still doesn't get you point. Multi-Boot al

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, Richard Thank you for you information, > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s05.html.en > > Chapter title: Before Installing Debian GNU/Linux > Section Title: Pre-Partitioning for Multi-Boot Systems Still doesn't get you point. What i mentioned is the USB stick which would turn

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, Pascal, > Downloading vmlinuz is not required. You can get it from the ISO image. yes. > > I wonder if there is a way to finish install only in GRUB, without > > initrd involved maybe more precisely, without initrd.gz from hd-media involved, but could use initrd.gz from the ISO file we have

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 05/10/2019 09:10 AM, An Liu wrote: What worries me about this thread is that the OP (who doesn't seem to know how the various parts of the d-i are meant to work together) has I don't know what's d-i mean (short for ?) just last week posted a recipe claiming to install Debian using only vml

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, Greg, It really helps, thank you On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:13 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 03:52:34AM -0600, An Liu wrote: > > 1. Could I install debian from chroot enviroment while i'm in another > > linux dist > > (such as CentOS, SUSE, RHEL ...), or vice versa. > >

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

> What worries me about this thread is that the OP (who doesn't seem to > know how the various parts of the d-i are meant to work together) has I don't know what's d-i mean (short for ?) > just last week posted a recipe claiming to install Debian using only > vmlinuz and initrd¹, no, you need iso

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 13:44:03 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 06:31:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > [...] > > That's one of a number of possible guesses of OP's intent. > > Yep :-) > > > I've asked questions others have thought vague though I thought were > > qu

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 2019-05-10, An Liu wrote: > > Actually the question could extend in several ways, such as > > 1. Could I install debian from chroot enviroment while i'm in another > linux dist Once I ran the netinstall iso with qemu/kvm and installed onto a usb thumb drive I'd taken care to preliminarily inse

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Le 10/05/2019 à 10:48, An Liu a écrit : What I Have. a USB stick with 1. a portable GRUB (either UEFI or legacy) 2. a install ISO, such as debian-9.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (mayb would e a LiveCD make life easier?) What we want.Have Debian installed (could assume that we could do whatever we could

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 03:52:34AM -0600, An Liu wrote: > 1. Could I install debian from chroot enviroment while i'm in another > linux dist > (such as CentOS, SUSE, RHEL ...), or vice versa. https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds03.html.en

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 06:31:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > That's one of a number of possible guesses of OP's intent. Yep :-) > I've asked questions others have thought vague though I thought were > quite explicit. People read through lenses of their personal > experience and assump

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 05/10/2019 05:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 05:29:48AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/10/2019 03:48 AM, An Liu wrote: Hi, List Image the following case What I Have. a USB stick with [...] Missing background? Unstated goals? I've got the feeling that I don

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 05:29:48AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/10/2019 03:48 AM, An Liu wrote: > >Hi, List > > > >Image the following case > > > >What I Have. > >a USB stick with [...] > Missing background? Unstated goals? I've got the feeling that I don't understand your question compl

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On 05/10/2019 03:48 AM, An Liu wrote: Hi, List Image the following case What I Have. a USB stick with 1. a portable GRUB (either UEFI or legacy) 2. a install ISO, such as debian-9.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (mayb would e a LiveCD make life easier?) What we want.Have Debian installed (could assume t

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, Jonas > Ah, ok. Then you probably want to play with debootstrap (or one of the > many wrapper tools around that, or alternatives to it like multistrap or > mmdebstrap), add compare the result of that with a debian-installer > installation to understand what you are missing (e.g. a boot loader

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:45:06AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: [...] > It sounds like perhaps you would be interested in joining the Tinker > team: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTinker Sorry to irrupt from the side, but... why didn't I know of that? Thanks for the link, and for keeping up th

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi, Joe Thank you > The current (and presumably all future) stable installation images will > install either in legacy mode or UEFI. Just transfer the image to the > stick (the whole stick, not a partition of it) and it should Just Work. 'Should just Work' is not what i care in this question, so f

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Quoting An Liu (2019-05-10 11:09:25) > > Sorry, I don't understand: what do you want different from running > > debian-installer? > > > > In short，just for fun > > longer answer， > > 1. want to know what a installation process (e.g. bootable iso) actually do > for us 。 > 2.Find some clues if the

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Hi Brain > Adapt > > https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick?highlight=%28shared%2Fask_device%3Dmanual%29 > > to your needs? Yes, the section 'Using GRUB's Loopback Facility' should have something I'm after. Thank you -- Liu An

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri, 10 May 2019 11:09:25 +0200 An Liu wrote: > > Sorry, I don't understand: what do you want different from running > > debian-installer? > > > > In short，just for fun > > longer answer， > > 1. want to know what a installation process (e.g. bootable iso) > actually do for us 。 > 2.Find s

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

On Fri 10 May 2019 at 11:09:25 +0200, An Liu wrote: > > Sorry, I don't understand: what do you want different from running > > debian-installer? > > > > In short，just for fun > > longer answer， > > 1. want to know what a installation process (e.g. bootable iso) actually do > for us 。 > 2.Find s

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

> Sorry, I don't understand: what do you want different from running > debian-installer? > In short，just for fun longer answer， 1. want to know what a installation process (e.g. bootable iso) actually do for us 。 2.Find some clues if the automation setup fails，what we could do next > > -

Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

Quoting An Liu (2019-05-10 10:48:46) > Hi, List > > Image the following case > > What I Have. > a USB stick with > 1. a portable GRUB (either UEFI or legacy) > 2. a install ISO, such as debian-9.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (mayb would e > a LiveCD make life easier?) > > What we want.Have Debian instal