On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Paul E Condon
wrote:
>
> In my view SQL is a query language that can do much more than look up
> records in a single table. To claim that some init system is superior
> to some other init system because it has 'SQL logging' is, as Andrew
> said, silly. Almost none
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:51:03 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> improvements to Andrew moment
I'm quite perfect and need no improvements. Much like systemd, of course. SQL
logging module notwithstanding...
> because most of us are deranged
Well then! I've come to the right place!
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But when top-posting, don't bother trimming at all, just leave
everything, including signature, by the wayside - someone else'll
clean it up later.
On 8/16/14, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:10:59PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> It is the LANGUAGE that is STRUCTURED - not the
On 8/16/14, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:51:52 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > ou've made it clear, you don't mean a program should exist
> > to copy text file logs into a Postgres database, you mean that they go
> > right into Postgres, and then the user must run programs to see them.
>
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:10:59PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> It is the LANGUAGE that is STRUCTURED - not the data. SQL was created
> to deal with relational data, not structured data.
When interleaving or bottom-posting your reply (++), please make sure to also
trim out irrelevant content.
T
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:51:52 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> ou've made it clear, you don't mean a program should exist
> to copy text file logs into a Postgres database, you mean that they go
> right into Postgres, and then the user must run programs to see them.
> What could *possibly* go wrong?
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:39:04 -0400
AW wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:37:38 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > What columns? Who defined those columns?
>
> There are way way too many wrong items to respond to here...
> However, if you've customized your logs then you have decided the
> table colu
On 8/15/2014 6:39 AM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:37:38 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > What columns? Who defined those columns?
>
> There are way way too many wrong items to respond to here...
> However, if you've customized your logs then you have decided the table column
> headers. Th
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:37:38 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> What columns? Who defined those columns?
There are way way too many wrong items to respond to here...
However, if you've customized your logs then you have decided the table column
headers. There is precisely no difference in the logic nor,
On 8/15/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> Be careful where you see conspiracy.
> Look first in your own heart.
PS, I forgot my sig:
"Be careful where you fail to see comedy.
You heart may be in need of some."
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On 8/15/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, AW
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:11:19 +0900
>> Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> > When you're grep- or sed-searching a textual log file, you don't care
>> > whether all the log entries fit any particular relation or structure
>> > de
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:11:19 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > When you're grep- or sed-searching a textual log file, you don't care
> > whether all the log entries fit any particular relation or structure
> > definition, and you don't have to think si
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:42 AM, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 21:16:16 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> > It NEVER
> > contains just one table, even if that table has multiple columns (and
> > the database is properly normalized).
>
> See step 1... selecting the table = selecting the log
On 20140814_2247+0100, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:28 -0600
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Comments (opinion) supporting your position that SQL logging is silly.
> >
> > It is my understanding that SQL is a query language that is designed
> > to query (and update) a *relational
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 21:16:16 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> It NEVER
> contains just one table, even if that table has multiple columns (and
> the database is properly normalized).
See step 1... selecting the table = selecting the log file...
A multiple table database is precisely the same as
On 8/14/2014 8:47 PM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:11:19 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > When you're grep- or sed-searching a textual log file, you don't care
> > whether all the log entries fit any particular relation or structure
> > definition, and you don't have to think sideways to s
On 8/14/2014 6:45 PM, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Friday, August 15, 2014 1:50:02 AM UTC+5:30, Paul E Condon wrote:
>
>> Comments (opinion) supporting your position that SQL logging is silly.
>
>> It is my understanding that SQL is a query language that is designed
>> to query (and update) a *relationa
On 8/14/2014 5:47 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:28 -0600
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Comments (opinion) supporting your position that SQL logging is silly.
>>
>> It is my understanding that SQL is a query language that is designed
>> to query (and update) a *relational*database
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:11:19 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> When you're grep- or sed-searching a textual log file, you don't care
> whether all the log entries fit any particular relation or structure
> definition, and you don't have to think sideways to search on the
> keywords buried in the text
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:05 AM, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:28 -0600
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> > Andrew, are your cookies virtuous (lo-cal) or virtual? ;)
>
> Neither. I prefer homemade chocolate chip using 1/2 cup butter and 1/2 cup
> Crisco... Just like my grandmother used to make
On Friday, August 15, 2014 1:50:02 AM UTC+5:30, Paul E Condon wrote:
> Comments (opinion) supporting your position that SQL logging is silly.
> It is my understanding that SQL is a query language that is designed
> to query (and update) a *relational*database* that has been designed
> according t
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:28 -0600
Paul E Condon wrote:
>
>
> Comments (opinion) supporting your position that SQL logging is silly.
>
> It is my understanding that SQL is a query language that is designed
> to query (and update) a *relational*database* that has been designed
> according to des
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:14:28 -0600
Paul E Condon wrote:
> Andrew, are your cookies virtuous (lo-cal) or virtual? ;)
Neither. I prefer homemade chocolate chip using 1/2 cup butter and 1/2 cup
Crisco... Just like my grandmother used to make...
> Comments (opinion) supporting your position tha
On 20140809_1647-0400, AW wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
> >
> > 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
> >
> > 2) To get rid of gratu
On Jo, 14 aug 14, 09:48:45, Joel Rees wrote:
>
> A four-four draw in the technical committees should have been a call
> to open the discussion to a wider user base, not a call for one member
> of the committee to make an arbitrary decision. Things are not
> functioning correctly "up" there, even i
On 8/13/14, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 09:10:19PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
>> napísal:
>>
>> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Our priorities are our users and free software
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:19:09AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Chris Bannister
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> >> Well, yeah, but ask any marriage counselor what
On 2014-08-13, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 August 2014 11:03:58 Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> Moreover, Churhcill defected from the Liberal party to the Conservative
>> party, and then back again.
>
> T'other way round.
>
> Lisi
>
Oops, you are correct. I meant to write that his political trajec
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 23:50:02 +0200
John Hasler wrote:
> Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
> wrong with your heart.
Hummm..that's interesting I lived in Britain for 13 years from the late 60's
through the seventies and heard that expression a lot but no one
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Charles Kroeger
wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:50:02 +0200
> Tom H wrote:
>
>> Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this perspective.
>
> Everybody earns money and needs money in this development. Organizations like
> Debian go forward by peopl
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:19:09AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Chris Bannister
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> >> Well, yeah, but ask any marriage counselor what tends to happen when
> >> one partner decides arbitrarily what
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 09:10:19PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
> napísal:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> > >
> > > Our priorities are our users and free software
> > >
> > > We will be guided by the nee
On Wednesday 13 August 2014 11:03:58 Liam O'Toole wrote:
> Moreover, Churhcill defected from the Liberal party to the Conservative
> party, and then back again.
T'other way round.
Lisi
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On Wednesday 13 August 2014 11:03:58 Liam O'Toole wrote:
> Also note that the British meaning of "liberal" is different from its
> meaning in the US, and was even more so in the early 20th century.
As has been shown by the original quote's referring to "communists".
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On 2014-08-12, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:46:38 -0500
> John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Charles Kroeger writes:
>> > You know what they say, If you're not a communist when you're young,
>> > there's something wrong with your heart.
>>
>> Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young
John Hasler wrote:
I wrote:
Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
wrong with your heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old
there's something wrong with your brain."
Celejar writes:
FTR, it's not clear that Churchill actually said it,
Then it must
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:34:51 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> I wrote:
> > Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
> > wrong with your heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old
> > there's something wrong with your brain."
>
> Celejar writes:
> > FTR, it's no
I wrote:
> Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
> wrong with your heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old
> there's something wrong with your brain."
Celejar writes:
> FTR, it's not clear that Churchill actually said it,
Then it must have been Mark
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:46:38 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Charles Kroeger writes:
> > You know what they say, If you're not a communist when you're young,
> > there's something wrong with your heart.
>
> Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
> wrong with your hear
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:06:44 -0400
Charles Kroeger wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:50:02 +0200
> Tom H wrote:
>
> > Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this
> > perspective.
>
> Everybody earns money and needs money in this development.
> Organizations like Debian go forwar
Charles Kroeger writes:
> You know what they say, If you're not a communist when you're young,
> there's something wrong with your heart.
Churchill: "If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
wrong with your heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old
there's something w
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:50:02 +0200
Tom H wrote:
> Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this perspective.
Everybody earns money and needs money in this development. Organizations like
Debian go forward by people with jobs volunteering time and expertise. I knew
for
instance in
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Charles Kroeger
wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:50:01 +0200
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>> I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from
>> most Linux distros.
>
> Yes you're right, that's what makes Debian special, passion always trumps
>
On 08/10/2014 11:40 PM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> koanhead writes:
> > For the record, in case anyone is interested, I'm writing this from a
> > Jessie box without systemd...
>
> > All I did was use aptitude interactively to remove systemd-* and then
> > review and adjust the solutions as necessa
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:50:01 +0200
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from
> most Linux distros.
Yes you're right, that's what makes Debian special, passion always trumps money.
Look what happened to M$. I happen to know directly a certain
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:21:24PM +0100, Joe wrote:
No idea, but this is a sid updated today, ps aux | grep init returns
pid 1, /sbin/init.
I have systemd, systemd-sysv, and sysvinit installed but not
sysvinit-core. Systemd is certainly running, along with systemd-udevd,
So you’re running syst
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:44:31 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:19:00 -0700
> > koanhead wrote:
> >
> >> For the record, in case anyone is interested, I'm writing this
> >> from a Jessie box without systemd. It's easy to make this happen,
> >> and it works just f
Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
napísal:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> >
> > Our priorities are our users and free software
> >
> > We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
> ^
>
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Chris Bannister
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I consider these posts as not OT. Consider De
Joe wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:19:00 -0700
koanhead wrote:
For the record, in case anyone is interested, I'm writing this from a
Jessie box without systemd. It's easy to make this happen, and it
works just fine as long as you don't use GNOME or MATE, possibly KDE,
or those functions of othe
On 8/11/14, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:35:47AM +0200, sa...@eng.it wrote:
>> Zenaan Harkness writes:
>> > There are tiers of users.
>> >
>> > There's the users who are not developers.
>> > There's the users who are developers.
>> > Then there's me.
>> >
>> > Since I
On 8/11/14, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Chris Bannister
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I consider these posts as not OT. Consider Debian social contract:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:35:47AM +0200, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness writes:
> > There are tiers of users.
> >
> > There's the users who are not developers.
> > There's the users who are developers.
> > Then there's me.
> >
> > Since I am at the top of the hierarchy,
>
> Uh, yo
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Chris Bannister
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> >>
> >> I consider these posts as not OT. Consider Debian social contract:
> >
> > Think again.
> >
> >
> >> Our prio
Le 10.08.2014 19:08, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:51:30 +0400
Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Within months of my switch, oops, here comes systemd.
Consider switching to the Debian/kFreeBSD. It's the same Debian, yet
there won't be no
On 8/11/14, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
>>
>> 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
>>
>> 2) To get rid of gratuitous boot gun
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:19:00 -0700
koanhead wrote:
> On 08/10/2014 10:30 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> >
> > ... I have a philosophical problem with systemd, I suspect it will
> > cause problems, my fallback is OpenBSD (or maybe Debian/kFreeBSD,
> > thanks Reco)
>
> For the record, in case anyone
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> There are tiers of users.
>
> There's the users who are not developers.
> There's the users who are developers.
> Then there's me.
>
> Since I am at the top of the hierarchy,
Uh, you are from down under, aren't you?
That could explain this perfectly.
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koanhead writes:
> On 08/10/2014 10:30 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> For the record, in case anyone is interested, I'm writing this from a
> Jessie box without systemd. It's easy to make this happen, and it works
> just fine as long as you don't use GNOME or MATE, possibly KDE, or those
> functi
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
>
> 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
>
> 2) To get rid of gratuitous boot gunge (in this case Plymouth)
>
> 3) To get close
On 8/10/14, Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
> Dňa Sat, 9 Aug 2014 23:49:37 +0100 Brian napísal:
>> On Sat 09 Aug 2014 at 16:47:54 -0400, AW wrote:
>> > On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
>> > Steve Litt wrote:
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian
>
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
>>
>> I consider these posts as not OT. Consider Debian social contract:
>
> Think again.
>
>
>> Our priorities are our users and free software
>>
>> We will be guided by the needs of
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> I consider these posts as not OT. Consider Debian social contract:
Think again.
> Our priorities are our users and free software
>
> We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
^
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:19:00 -0700
koanhead wrote:
> On 08/10/2014 10:30 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> >
> > ... I have a philosophical problem with systemd, I suspect it will
> > cause problems, my fallback is OpenBSD (or maybe Debian/kFreeBSD,
> > thanks Reco)
>
> For the record, in case anyone
On 08/10/2014 10:30 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> ... I have a philosophical problem with systemd, I suspect it will
> cause problems, my fallback is OpenBSD (or maybe Debian/kFreeBSD,
> thanks Reco)
For the record, in case anyone is interested, I'm writing this from a
Jessie box without systemd. It
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from
> most Linux distros. Things may get developed at e.g. GSOC, but none-the-less
> the developers are not in general paid for their Debian work. (Though they
> may be e.g. Ubuntu developers as well.)
Man
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 10 August 2014 18:53:58 Doug wrote:
>> Unless Debian is different from most
>> Linux distros, a good portion of the software is written by paid
>> developers. I don't know who pays them, but it is nevertheless true.
>
> I had understoo
Lisi, there is no free (of charge) beer. While the distribution is packaged by
volunteers - and it's not a small task - not all the code comes from volunteer
work o by-product of another work. And many sistem tools come from paid work,
included the infamous systemd.
Debian is not perfect and ne
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 01:00:02 +0200
Brian wrote:
> honestly, does anyone care why any user chose
> to change from Ubuntu or if their expectations were met?
A skillful writer might weave a soap opera around the unsettling notions of
systemd
yet always there, an undercurrent of optimism inherent t
On Sunday 10 August 2014 18:53:58 Doug wrote:
> Unless Debian is different from most
> Linux distros, a good portion of the software is written by paid
> developers. I don't know who pays them, but it is nevertheless true.
I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:08:27 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Is Debian/kFreeBSD ready for prime time yet?
Depends on your definition of a prime time.
Debian security team updates Debian/kFreeBSD the same time they update
all Linux architectures.
The bad part is - hardware support is the same as of Fr
On 08/10/2014 04:37 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 August 2014 08:37:24 Slavko wrote:
I consider these posts as not OT.
No-one said that they were OT. Merely that this list is about Debian in
general, not only systemd, and the subject has been done to death.
If some of you don't like it,
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:26:22 +0200
Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> On 09/08/14 22:26, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian
> > were:
> >
> > 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
> >
> > 2) To get rid of g
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:37:10 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 10 August 2014 08:37:24 Slavko wrote:
> > I consider these posts as not OT.
>
> No-one said that they were OT. Merely that this list is about Debian
> in general, not only systemd, and the subject has been done to death.
Which is
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:51:30 +0400
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Within months of my switch, oops, here comes systemd.
>
> Consider switching to the Debian/kFreeBSD. It's the same Debian, yet
> there won't be no systemd in the foreseeable f
On Sunday 10 August 2014 15:50:29 Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > If some of you don't like it, write the software you want. Or pay
> > someone to write it. But enough already.
>
> Doesn't guarantee that Debian will decide to use it.
No - but the individuals concerned can.
> I think the right way is
> If some of you don't like it, write the software you want. Or pay
> someone to write it. But enough already.
Doesn't guarantee that Debian will decide to use it.
I think the right way is to submit bug-reports about particular problems
you find in systemd. Maybe that won't cause a change to s
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:47 PM, AW wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>> Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
>>
>> 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
>>
>> 2) To get rid of gratuitous boot gunge (in t
On Sunday 10 August 2014 08:37:24 Slavko wrote:
> I consider these posts as not OT.
No-one said that they were OT. Merely that this list is about Debian in
general, not only systemd, and the subject has been done to death.
If some of you don't like it, write the software you want. Or pay someo
On 09/08/14 22:26, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
>
> 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
>
> 2) To get rid of gratuitous boot gunge (in this case Plymouth)
>
> 3) To get closer to the Unix Phi
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 9 Aug 2014 23:49:37 +0100 Brian napísal:
> On Sat 09 Aug 2014 at 16:47:54 -0400, AW wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian
> > > were:
> > >
> > >
Hi.
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Within months of my switch, oops, here comes systemd.
Consider switching to the Debian/kFreeBSD. It's the same Debian, yet
there won't be no systemd in the foreseeable future.
Reco
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On Sat 09 Aug 2014 at 16:47:54 -0400, AW wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
> >
> > 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
> >
> > 2) To g
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were:
>
> 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.
>
> 2) To get rid of gratuitous boot gunge (in this case Plymouth)
>
> 3) To
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