Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-22 Thread Thorny
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:59:33 -0400, Celejar posted: [...edit just to save bandwidth] > But this equivalence between insecure systems and those likely to fall > victim to an accidental "rm -rf /" breaks down for the above case, since > accidents become much less likely, but a virus can still do wha

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-21 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:58:13 -0700 Thorny wrote: ... > Naturally any of this is opinion on both sides. It isn't really possible > for me to give data that shows something doesn't exist. And, you have > no reason to believe me or anyone else but will you please review this > article by Rick Moen,

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-21 Thread Thorny
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:57:50 +0800, 明覺 posted: > you are right, it should not be a viruses, maybe it's because my harddisk > is broken, how to check my harddisk? now I have installed a new system on > it and it is working fine now, but I'm afraid it will be broken suddenly > again after a few day

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-21 Thread Thorny
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:09:13 +, Avi Greenbury posted: >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Virus#Threats Good grief, since when has wikipedia become the ultimate resource. Do you notice how many of the references are to anti-virus labs, who have a vested interest in selling software? Nat

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Infantes
On Jueves 19 Marzo 2009 01:01:04 明覺 escribió: > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, and > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". then i restarted my > machine, it ccould not shutdown for it said it's a readonly file system. > then i pressed reset to

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:51:53 -0700 Thorny wrote: > > > >[T]> A simple answer is that Linux "virus" exist as a proof-of-concept, > >there > >> aren't any "in the wild". If you think about it, there isn't a > >> mechanism for propagation. You don't run as root do you? You can find > >> out lots mo

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-20 Thread Avi Greenbury
Thorny wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:37:56 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. posted: While they have been seen in the wild, ... Please cite examples and/or documentation so I may learn. I know from your other posts that you give good advice but I am not willing to accept this statement on that ba

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-20 Thread Thorny
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:37:56 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. posted: > While they have been seen in the wild, ... Please cite examples and/or documentation so I may learn. I know from your other posts that you give good advice but I am not willing to accept this statement on that basis. -- To UN

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-20 Thread Thorny
> >[T]> A simple answer is that Linux "virus" exist as a proof-of-concept, >there >> aren't any "in the wild". If you think about it, there isn't a >> mechanism for propagation. You don't run as root do you? You can find >> out lots more about the concept with your favourite search engine. > >[C]

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Eric Gerlach
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:57:50PM +0800, ?...@k4 wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: > > First: today's viruses generally don't destroy their hosts anymore. > > Instead, they use their host as a platform for criminal behaviour. You > > don't earn any money by rendering

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <6a8fced30903190657k188d6c39nfbcbbd12a284a...@mail.gmail.com>, 明覺 wrote: >On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: >> 明覺: >> > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, >> > and when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". >> > then i restarted

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <6a8fced30903190142s7a96df91y4dbfcfc0649f1...@mail.gmail.com>, 明覺 wrote: >On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Thorny wrote: >> > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, >> > and >> > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". then i restarted >> > my machin

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread 明覺
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: > > 明覺: > > > > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, and > > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". > > What's in /var/log/syslog? I installed a new system in another partition, and use e2fsck to

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:50:29 -0700 Thorny wrote: ... > A simple answer is that Linux "virus" exist as a proof-of-concept, there > aren't any "in the wild". If you think about it, there isn't a mechanism > for propagation. You don't run as root do you? You can find out lots more > about the conce

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Jochen Schulz
明覺: > > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, and > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". What's in /var/log/syslog? > then i restarted my > machine, it ccould not shutdown for it said it's a readonly file system. > then i pressed reset to force it

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Thorny
[...] > If it's not a virus, why my computer suddenly become broken, I do not > understand, i guess it should be a virus. > A simple answer is that Linux "virus" exist as a proof-of-concept, there aren't any "in the wild". If you think about it, there isn't a mechanism for propagation. You don't

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Bob Cox
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 16:42:07 +0800, 明覺 (shi.min...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Thorny wrote: > > > > > > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, > > and > > > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". then i restarted my > >

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread 明覺
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Thorny wrote: > > > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, > and > > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". then i restarted my > > machine, it ccould not shutdown for it said it's a readonly file system. > > then i pr

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-19 Thread Thorny
> It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, and > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". then i restarted my > machine, it ccould not shutdown for it said it's a readonly file system. > then i pressed reset to force it restart, then it stopped at "grup >

Re: Help! Grub is broken

2009-03-18 Thread David Fox
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM, 明覺 wrote: > It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, and > when I was saving it, it said "readonly filesystem". then i restarted my I had a box that would frequently not be able to find its boot disks, got error 17s from time to time