Re: Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread Brian
On Tue 12 Mar 2019 at 19:20:34 -0400, deb wrote: > Fortunately Brian has blocked me, Eh? You'll have to explain. -- Brian.

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2019-03-12 Thread deb
On 3/11/19 5:08 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote: And yeah, Debian is an upstream distribution, so you will have a lot of people who are being overly purist about Linux solutions, because they have the luxury of working in homogenous environments. Unfortunately a lot of them are lousy communicators.

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2019-03-12 Thread deb
On 3/12/19 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote: On Tue 12 Mar 2019 at 15:01:32 (+0100), Mart van de Wege wrote: Stefan Monnier writes: OP has a point though. The real world happens to have a huge amount of heterogeneous networks, and asking for tools to keep those systems safe is legitimate. I di

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread deloptes
Curt wrote: > I don't follow how this follows from your erroneous attribution. try harder ;-)

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread David Wright
On Tue 12 Mar 2019 at 15:01:32 (+0100), Mart van de Wege wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: > > >> OP has a point though. The real world happens to have a huge amount of > >> heterogeneous networks, and asking for tools to keep those systems safe > >> is legitimate. > > > > I did not perceive the OP

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread Mart van de Wege
Stefan Monnier writes: >> OP has a point though. The real world happens to have a huge amount of >> heterogeneous networks, and asking for tools to keep those systems safe >> is legitimate. > > I did not perceive the OP's request to be about the case where you > administer lots of machines and yo

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 12/Mar/2019 09:39:53 +0100 didier gaumet wrote: > Wikipedia makes a comparison of Linux antivirus: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_antivirus_software#Linux It's astonishing that there is an "Email Security" column, with random yes/no contents. I wrote a note on that: http

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread mick crane
On 2019-03-10 14:58, deb wrote: Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V.  * I get that it may actually INCREASE attack surface.  * But I have Windows & Mac stuff going back and forth to Debian 9.8 and just want to check.  * (Clamscan already caught 4 things) I'm of the opinion that window

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2019-03-11, deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > >> I don't believe he did, actually. I believe that's what Reco wrote. > > but there is no secure OS, as soon as you get connected to the network, and > if you have a server with multiple users ... well. We used to put sensitive > servers in DMZ aside

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-12 Thread didier gaumet
Wikipedia makes a comparison of Linux antivirus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_antivirus_software#Linux

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 3/10/19 3:53 PM, Brian wrote: On Sun 10 Mar 2019 at 13:18:54 -0400, deb wrote: Crumogeon tip: It is no longer 1972.   If you have nothing nice or at least helpful to say on a  USER list, say nothing at all. All the responses were helpful. You just have to fit them into your World View and

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> OP has a point though. The real world happens to have a huge amount of > heterogeneous networks, and asking for tools to keep those systems safe > is legitimate. I did not perceive the OP's request to be about the case where you administer lots of machines and you want to use a Debian machine as

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread deloptes
Curt wrote: > I don't believe he did, actually. I believe that's what Reco wrote. but there is no secure OS, as soon as you get connected to the network, and if you have a server with multiple users ... well. We used to put sensitive servers in DMZ aside of the user network - for a good reason.

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Mart van de Wege
Stefan Monnier writes: >> re: apt solving all? I understand it recently had a long-time vulnerability >> itself... >> Linux will get hit more as it gets more popular. > > My point is not that APT and/or Debian is bullet-proof (I live under no > delusion in this respect). Just that instead of kee

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> There is a spectrum of Windows software than runs between evil malware > and legitimate programs, it isn't just black and white, and many Agreed, but I doubt A/V software will know where to draw the line. Stefan

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Joe
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:53:39 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > re: apt solving all? I understand it recently had a long-time > > vulnerability itself... > > Linux will get hit more as it gets more popular. > > My point is not that APT and/or Debian is bullet-proof (I live under > no delusion in

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Joe
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:45:28 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I think the premises of your syllogism might lead some to another > > conclusion---that the livelihood of the AV software houses depends > > upon the innate insecurity of the Windows OS. > > Hmm... they don't actually need that: they

Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> re: apt solving all? I understand it recently had a long-time vulnerability > itself... > Linux will get hit more as it gets more popular. My point is not that APT and/or Debian is bullet-proof (I live under no delusion in this respect). Just that instead of keeping your A/V up-to-date, the GNU

Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread deb
On 3/10/19 1:33 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote: deb writes: Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V.   * I get that it may actually INCREASE attack surface.   * But I have Windows & Mac stuff going back and forth to Debian 9.8 and just want to check. When you say going back and forth, do you

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I think the premises of your syllogism might lead some to another > conclusion---that the livelihood of the AV software houses depends upon > the innate insecurity of the Windows OS. Hmm... they don't actually need that: they only need people to think that they're vulnerable (regardless if their

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Curt
On 2019-03-11, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Not that I'm aware of. The thing is - instead of taking an insecure OS >> and building assorted kludges (in the form of anti-virus) around it, >> it's considered wise here to use a secure OS from the beginning. > > This is misleading: all OSes are somewhat

RE: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Michael Grant
I use clamav along with clamav-unofficial-sigs, Sanesecurity and Securiteinfo (which I pay for) Secondly, I use “Bitdefender Security for Mail Servers – Linux”, again which I pay for. I use clamav-milter and the bdmilterd to scan mail using clamav and Bit Defender. I must say that it was pret

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Not that I'm aware of. The thing is - instead of taking an insecure OS > and building assorted kludges (in the form of anti-virus) around it, > it's considered wise here to use a secure OS from the beginning. This is misleading: all OSes are somewhat insecure, in practice. The question is what

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Curt
On 2019-03-11, Paul Sutton wrote: > > On 10/03/2019 15:04, Sven Hartge wrote: >> deb wrote: >> >>> a. What does the group suggest running on debian beyond >>>     - chkrootkit >> Useless. >> >>>     - rkhunter >> Crap, unmaintained. >> >> Both tools produce more false positives than finding anyth

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Paul Sutton
On 10/03/2019 15:04, Sven Hartge wrote: > deb wrote: > >> a. What does the group suggest running on debian beyond >>     - chkrootkit > Useless. > >>     - rkhunter > Crap, unmaintained. > > Both tools produce more false positives than finding anything, just > creating a false sense of security

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread Curt
On 2019-03-11, deloptes wrote: > deb wrote: I don't believe he did, actually. I believe that's what Reco wrote. >> Not that I'm aware of. The thing is - instead of taking an insecure OS >> and building assorted kludges (in the form of anti-virus) around it, >> it's considered wise here to use a

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread deloptes
deb wrote: > Not that I'm aware of. The thing is - instead of taking an insecure OS > and building assorted kludges (in the form of anti-virus) around it, > it's considered wise here to use a secure OS from the beginning. If you have windows users in your network, the best is to pay for a server

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-11 Thread deloptes
deb wrote: > ClamAV I recall 15y ago we integrated kasperky into ClamAV. Easy to integrate and easy to use. Worked great. I left this company couple of years later, but it will not surprise me if they are still using the same setup.

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Brian
On Sun 10 Mar 2019 at 13:18:54 -0400, deb wrote: > I posted a question A/Vs and got negative waves like the below. It only looks "negative" because you have an agenda. I myself thought the responses were reasonable and balanced. > Several people ASS-UMED I was trying to kludge Windows into Linux

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Joe
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:46:42 + mick crane wrote: > On 2019-03-10 17:13, Joe wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:35:18 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > > >>Hi. > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:32:42PM -, Curt wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I thought he was saying the surest approach is n

Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Felmon Davis
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, deb wrote: I posted a question A/Vs and got negative waves like the below. Several people ASS-UMED I was trying to kludge Windows into Linux, (see Canonical if you want to find Linux-folk sucking up to Windows) instead of working to bring Linux into Windows strongholds (a

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 05:13:35PM +, Joe wrote: > On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:35:18 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:32:42PM -, Curt wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought he was saying the surest approach is not touching Windows > > > with a ten foot pole, > > > >

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread mick crane
On 2019-03-10 17:13, Joe wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:35:18 +0300 Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:32:42PM -, Curt wrote: > > I thought he was saying the surest approach is not touching Windows > with a ten foot pole, You're aiming too low. Not touching any non-free O

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> While bearing in mind that 'free' doesn't mean 'problem-free'. > Remember how many people audited the Heartbleed code before it was > released? Indeed. But it doesn't take more time to update openssl than to update a virus scanner. Stefan

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. You have it: it's called `apt` (i.e. in the world of Debian, the response to "viruses" is to plug the hole they try to exploit, instead of leaving those holes gaping while wasting resources trying to look for known attacks). >  * (Clamscan already caug

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Mart van de Wege
deb writes: > Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. > >  * I get that it may actually INCREASE attack surface. > >  * But I have Windows & Mac stuff going back and forth to Debian 9.8 > and just want to check. When you say going back and forth, do you mean over the network? On Linux the be

And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread deb
I posted a question A/Vs and got negative waves like the below. Several people ASS-UMED I was trying to kludge Windows into Linux, (see Canonical if you want to find Linux-folk sucking up to Windows) instead of working to bring Linux into Windows strongholds (and be aware of the problems there

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Joe
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:35:18 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:32:42PM -, Curt wrote: > > > > > I thought he was saying the surest approach is not touching Windows > > with a ten foot pole, > > You're aiming too low. Not touching any non-free OS with a ten foot

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:32:42PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-03-10, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 03/10/2019 10:20 AM, Reco wrote: > >>Hi. > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:58:12AM -0400, deb wrote: > >>> Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. > >>> [*SNIP*] > >> > >>>

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Curt
On 2019-03-10, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/10/2019 10:20 AM, Reco wrote: >> Hi. >> >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:58:12AM -0400, deb wrote: >>> Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. >>> [*SNIP*] >> >>> b. Does the list keep a ~ "pinned" answer for these kinds of questions? >> >> Not

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 10:58:12 deb wrote: > Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. > >  * I get that it may actually INCREASE attack surface. > >  * But I have Windows & Mac stuff going back and forth to Debian 9.8 > and just want to check. > >  * (Clamscan already caught 4 things) > > >

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/10/2019 10:20 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:58:12AM -0400, deb wrote: Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. [*SNIP*] b. Does the list keep a ~ "pinned" answer for these kinds of questions? Not that I'm aware of. The thing is - instead of taking an insec

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:58:12AM -0400, deb wrote: > Starting assumption: I do want to run A/V. >  * I get that it may actually INCREASE attack surface. >  * But I have Windows & Mac stuff going back and forth to Debian 9.8 and just > want to check. >  * (Clamscan already caught 4 t

Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

2019-03-10 Thread Sven Hartge
deb wrote: > a. What does the group suggest running on debian beyond >     - chkrootkit Useless. >     - rkhunter Crap, unmaintained. Both tools produce more false positives than finding anything, just creating a false sense of security while providing no security benefit whatsoever. Grüße,

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-20 Thread Joao Roscoe
Excellent. Time to read about udev. Will do my homework, try a few tests, and will get back with results and, possibly, more questions :-D Thank you, everybody for your valuable help (and time). Best regards, João On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 2:54 AM Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Aug 20, 201

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:51:24AM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: > Hmmm... > > If I create a NIS group (with a high ID), called serial_ports, dhould I > just, as root, chgrp /dev/ttyS0 so that it's group is serial_ports ? You could, and it may even work, but it would be temporary. To mak

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-19 Thread Joao Roscoe
Hmmm... If I create a NIS group (with a high ID), called serial_ports, dhould I just, as root, chgrp /dev/ttyS0 so that it's group is serial_ports ? João On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 02:48:56PM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: > >Right, that's best p

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 02:48:56PM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: Right, that's best practice. But, what if I need to include a user who is defined in NIS in lp or ttyS0 group? Would going into /etc/group in *every* machine be unavoidable? That's one option. Another would be to create new centrally

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread deloptes
Joao Roscoe wrote: > But, what if I need to include a user who is defined in NIS in lp or ttyS0 > group? Would going into /etc/group in *every* machine be unavoidable? your print server will be the only one to consider for lp group for example or just do something with ansible or puppet or what

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread Joao Roscoe
Right, that's best practice. But, what if I need to include a user who is defined in NIS in lp or ttyS0 group? Would going into /etc/group in *every* machine be unavoidable? João On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:42 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 01:27:32PM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote:

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 01:27:32PM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: > However, it will not solve the problem on how to centrally manage system > resources access across distros. You don't manage OS-specific (or "distro"-specific if you prefer that term) group IDs in a network database. Those are managed

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread Joao Roscoe
You are right, I forgot to state that yes, I do use NFS to share files - great tip, this GID / UID remapping thing - thanks a lot. However, it will not solve the problem on how to centrally manage system resources access across distros. Joao On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:49 AM wrote: > -BEGIN

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:36:38AM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: > I have redhat and debian machines in the same network. Users and groups are > controlled via NIS > > I have realized that redhat and debian have different groups definitions > for system r

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:36:38AM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: What would be the best way to manage this (other than managing groups on machines themselves, individually)? Different NIS domains for different distros? Is there any tutorial on managing multiple domains on the same NIS server, out the

RE: group membership activation

2016-02-19 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi Seeker, >> Running a fresh Jessie install on a laptop with GNOME. >> Today I had to add a user (me) to a group (wireshark) for a program >> (wireshark gui) to work. At first I thought I did something wrong but >> after a reboot it did work, wireshark was able to see the interfaces. >> >>[...]

Re: group membership activation

2016-02-18 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:10:48 + Bonno Bloksma wrote: > Hi, > > Running a fresh Jessie install on a laptop with GNOME. > Today I had to add a user (me) to a group (wireshark) for a program > (wireshark gui) to work. At first I thought I did something wrong but after a > reboot it did work, w

Re: group membership activation

2016-02-18 Thread Seeker
On 2/18/2016 8:10 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Hi, Running a fresh Jessie install on a laptop with GNOME. Today I had to add a user (me) to a group (wireshark) for a program (wireshark gui) to work. At first I thought I did something wrong but after a reboot it did work, wireshark was able to se

Re: group share directory using ACL's

2013-09-18 Thread David Christensen
On 09/09/13 16:25, David Christensen wrote: I am attempting to set up a "group share" directory where any user (local or via Samba) can create, copy, and move files and directories and every other user has full access to those files and directories. This directory will be shared via Samba. I fo

Re: group permissions (was chroot ssh and ftp)

2012-04-02 Thread Chris Davies
Dr Beco wrote: > Do you mean in the script (professor branch) something like: > chown $USU:professor $USU > chmod go= $USU Yes. > This way one professor cannot see each others dirs, but inside home a > file would be created (and stayed) like: rw-rw > Right? Don't need the -R. Correct.

Re: group permissions (was chroot ssh and ftp)

2012-04-01 Thread Dr Beco
> To: debian-user lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: group permissions (was chroot ssh and ftp) > From: Chris Davies > > Chris wrote: > The problem with this is that you're making files executable. Personally > I think you'd be better off just fixing just the professo

Re: group permissions (was chroot ssh and ftp)

2012-04-01 Thread Chris Davies
Dr Beco wrote: > Now, for the permissions stated before, I got this until now: > Professors belong to two groups, professors and students > Students belong only to alumini > Admins belong to all > Then I run in professors /home/dirs the following command: > chown -R :professors paul peter patric

Re: group permissions (was chroot ssh and ftp)

2012-03-31 Thread Dr Beco
Dear Chris, When you pointed out there would be no serious benefit by chrooting the users, I decided to hold this configuration for a while. To isolate the system will take some time, and some bureaucratics :) Now, for the permissions stated before, I got this until now: Professors belong to two

Re: group membership missing after update (debianuser: message 8 of 20)

2011-11-21 Thread debianuser . thegrue
Hello, On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:10:55 +0100 +debianuser+thegrue+733a2fc4c3.debianuser.thegrue#spamgourmet@spamgourmet.com wrote: > After my last safe-upgrade, I'm not member of any > groups when I open a shell... > >[...] > -output of "groups" is "markus" - and that's all :s Found it out myse

Re: Group - users, GID 100 - intenstion

2010-01-25 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 05:00:00PM -0600, gn643202 wrote: >What is the purpose and intent of the Group "users", GID #100? > >Is this to be populated with all normal users? For some admin, yes. Is this default for normal Debian: no >I have such a purpose, but not sure whether to u

Re: Group "audio"

2006-10-08 Thread Deephay
On 10/9/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:28:29PM +0800, Deephay wrote: > Greetings all, > > I had a little problem with the sound control in gnome today with my > newly installed debian (sid, using debootstrap): > The Volume Control button in gnome is invalid (

Re: Group "audio"

2006-10-08 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:28:29PM +0800, Deephay wrote: > Greetings all, > > I had a little problem with the sound control in gnome today with my > newly installed debian (sid, using debootstrap): > The Volume Control button in gnome is invalid (with a red cross on > it), I then googled and found

Re: Group "audio"

2006-10-08 Thread Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh
Deephay wrote: Greetings all, I had a little problem with the sound control in gnome today with my newly installed debian (sid, using debootstrap): The Volume Control button in gnome is invalid (with a red cross on it), I then googled and found some threads about this mentioned that you have to

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.1527 +0200]: > > Sure, for the better. In this case, however, you are the only one > > who thinks it's better. > > Given that, as you say, there are numerous discussions on the net > about it, that obviously can't be true. In this case it

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 02:27:19PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.1403 +0200]: > > Why should I not make such statements? If Debian is not meeting > > the needs of people who want to use it, why should the Debian > > community not strive to

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.1403 +0200]: > Why should I not make such statements? If Debian is not meeting > the needs of people who want to use it, why should the Debian > community not strive to meet those needs? Is the Debian community > not open to change for the

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 10:16:26AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.0454 +0200]: > > My conclusion is that it seems from a security standpoint, and > > from an ease-of-administration standpoint, pam_console is the > > clear winner over both of

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.0454 +0200]: > My conclusion is that it seems from a security standpoint, and > from an ease-of-administration standpoint, pam_console is the > clear winner over both of the other proposed solutions. So yes, > when I said pam_console was "ni

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 12:41:51AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.0017 +0200]: > > Thanks for the tip... this may work, though at a quick glance, > > again, I don't see how this is better than pam_console. > > It does not mess with the file

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.0017 +0200]: > Thanks for the tip... this may work, though at a quick glance, > again, I don't see how this is better than pam_console. It does not mess with the filesystem for a start. And no, it won't get rid of the security issues. > >

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 11:07:37PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: [pam_console] > > devices when they log in on the console. Thus anyone who logs in > > automatically has access to the sound devices. However, this facility > > appears to be lacking in Sarge. > > by choice, yes. > > http://lists.

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread Steve Kemp
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 04:56:13PM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > Red Hat has a nice PAM library that lets people access, say, the sound > devices when they log in on the console. Thus anyone who logs in > automatically has access to the sound devices. However, this facility > appears to be lackin

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.22.2256 +0200]: > Red Hat has a nice PAM library that lets people access, say, the sound nice. right. > devices when they log in on the console. Thus anyone who logs in > automatically has access to the sound devices. However, this facility

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread James Westby
On (22/06/06 16:56), Derek Martin wrote: > Hi folks, > > If there's a more appropriate place to ask this, please let me know. > > I manage a large number of workstations which run Debian. Everyone in > my organization need to be able to access any of these workstations, > and they expect basic s

Re: group callander program

2006-01-17 Thread Richard Lyons
On Monday, 16 January 2006 at 22:34:10 -0600, Rodney Richison wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > I personally use egroupware. Since it's web based, I can access it from > > anywhere. It can do many more things than calendaring, but you can > > limit it to > > just calendaring if you would like. > > >

Re: group callander program

2006-01-17 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 11:13 -0600, Rodney Richison wrote: > >>I find many programs as I'm googling for a simple callendar program. >>Would like advice on what you guys find usefull. >> >>I seen thunderbird callendar. >>kdepim >> >

Re: group callander program

2006-01-16 Thread Rodney Richison
> Rodney Richison wrote: > > >I find many programs as I'm googling for a simple callendar program. > >Would like advice on what you guys find usefull. > > >I seen thunderbird callendar. > >kdepim > > >These are easy to install. Work with a group. What would you use to > >connect in a multi-platfo

Re: group callander program

2006-01-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 11:13 -0600, Rodney Richison wrote: > I find many programs as I'm googling for a simple callendar program. > Would like advice on what you guys find usefull. > > I seen thunderbird callendar. > kdepim > > These are easy to install. Work with a group. What would you use to >

Re: group callander program

2006-01-16 Thread Jay Zach
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rodney Richison wrote: > I find many programs as I'm googling for a simple callendar program. > Would like advice on what you guys find usefull. > > I seen thunderbird callendar. > kdepim > > These are easy to install. Work with a group. What would y

Re: group web software

2005-05-16 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, May 13, 2005 at 01:25:25AM -0500, Nate Kroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > This is by no means a debian based question, but the software would be > on a debian box and everyone on this list seems very knowledgable, so > this seems like a great place to start. drupal, or another forum-orie

Re: group web software

2005-05-13 Thread Nate Kroll
The sole reason is that this is for our organization (a college actually) and it would look rather unprofessional to redirect users to use someone else's service. I do think Google Groups looks nice and is exactly what we could use. Nate Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: Nate Kroll wrote: This is by

Re: group web software

2005-05-13 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
Nate Kroll wrote: This is by no means a debian based question, but the software would be on a debian box and everyone on this list seems very knowledgable, so this seems like a great place to start. I'm looking for some web application that will allow the creation and management of community gr

Re: group staff and /home

2004-11-23 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.11.23.2134 +0100]: > What's the point of /home being gid staff? Means I can add user home > directories as a user, but I still need root (or sudo) to chown them > and add the actual users. Brian Link says that now root can add homedirectories o

Re: group- ?

2003-12-23 Thread Paul Morgan
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:32:34 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > I ran 'usermod -G' last night and couldn't figure out why I apparently > lost several of my groups. Turns out, of course, that -G doesn't > append, it replaces. > > Mystery solved. But at least you probably could have restored by

Re: group- ?

2003-12-22 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 at 21:53 GMT, Paul Morgan penned: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:46:20 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > >> So, in /etc, there are group and group-, which seem to be identical >> except that group- has much more restrictive permissions. >> >> What's group- for? What happens if I ed

Re: group- ?

2003-12-22 Thread Paul Morgan
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:46:20 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > So, in /etc, there are group and group-, which seem to be identical > except that group- has much more restrictive permissions. > > What's group- for? What happens if I edit /etc/group directly and don't > copy the changes over to gr

Re: Group of new files

2003-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:17:30AM +0200, Ron Rademaker wrote: > I got bunch of directories, each owned by a different group. Some users > can only access (if I say access I mean rwx) one directory (so are only > in 1 group), others are in more groups. Now if a user with default group > foo creates

Re: Group src

2003-10-13 Thread Frank A. Uepping
Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > El domingo, 12 de octubre de 2003, a las 19:37, Colin Watson escribe: >> This group owns source code, including files in /usr/src. It can be >> used locally to give a user the ability to manage system source >> code. > > Also, they are given write acc

Re: Group src

2003-10-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 09:39:46PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > El domingo, 12 de octubre de 2003, a las 19:37, Colin Watson escribe: > > This group owns source code, including files in /usr/src. It can be > > used locally to give a user the ability to manage system source > >

Re: Group src

2003-10-12 Thread Ismael Valladolid Torres
El domingo, 12 de octubre de 2003, a las 19:37, Colin Watson escribe: > This group owns source code, including files in /usr/src. It can be > used locally to give a user the ability to manage system source > code. Also, they are given write access to the default repository created by c

Re: Group src

2003-10-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 08:09:40PM +0200, Frank A. Uepping wrote: > Hi, > for what is the group src used in Debian? src This group owns source code, including files in /usr/src. It can be used locally to give a user the ability to manage system source code. HELP: /usr/src is owne

Re: Group rights

2003-09-16 Thread Mark Roach
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 22:12, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > Dear Debain Users, > > I'm a little confused regarding the use of group to assign file rights. > > I was under the impression that user can be members of groups and groups can > be used to assign permissions to files and folders. > > How then,

Re: Group rights

2003-09-15 Thread Darik Horn
> How then, do I assign multiple groups, different permission to the > same folders You cannot assign multiple groups to an object in a traditional unix filesystem. (This is the way that Debian ships.) Past that, you'll need to install support for access control lists ("ACLs"). If you're serving

Re: Group ID

2003-02-19 Thread Russell Shaw
Michael Wardle wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2003 08:14, Russell Shaw wrote: I set them all to my own user:group, but mozilla seems to have some 'stuck' settings. I found a useful command is: ps -eo pid,user,euser,fuser,group,egroup,fgroup,cmd Ah! So you're trying to set the correct

Re: Group ID

2003-02-19 Thread Russell Shaw
Michael Wardle wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2003 08:14, Russell Shaw wrote: Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:04:25AM +1100, Russell Shaw wrote: If i had to regenerate a config file that a program uses, is it possible to detect what GID the program uses if it is se

Re: Group ID

2003-02-19 Thread Michael Wardle
On Thursday, February 20, 2003 08:14, Russell Shaw wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > >On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:04:25AM +1100, Russell Shaw wrote: > >>If i had to regenerate a config file that a program uses, is it > >> possible to detect what GID the program uses if it is set from > >> within the pr

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