On 2019-01-04 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote:
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > >We just
On Friday 04 January 2019 19:32:18 deloptes wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
> >> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic
> >> growth in the past years.
> >
> > I see that too, darn it.
>
> Suddenly I spotte
Gene Heskett wrote:
>> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
>> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth
>> in the past years.
>
> I see that too, darn it.
Suddenly I spotted something that fits our discussion by the worst example -
Apple
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > > We just pointed out
> > > > that you do not h
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:09:55PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Ni
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > >
> > > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > >
Nicolas George wrote:
> It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
> wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme
> than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a
> new one.
>
> Alas, the idiotic way most people eval
Brian wrote:
> Using the facilities on a computer is what a user does, just like the
> simple task of switching on an electric light in a house.
>
> If by "operating", deloptes means "using", I think I could agree. If
> he means change the bulb or mend the fuse or go down to to the local
> substa
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> deloptes (12019-01-04):
>> >We just pointed out
>> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>>
>> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
>> no way around it. If
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> >
> > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > > We just pointed out
> > > > tha
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > We just pointed out
> > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> >
> > A
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 19:31:05 +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > We just pointed out
> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>
> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there i
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > We just pointed out
> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>
> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
>
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:24:39 deloptes wrote:
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount
> > of space in his root file system, and get rid of it. This is an
> > essential system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he
> > will contin
deloptes (12019-01-04):
> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if most of
> the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth in the past
> years.
It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
wasted (unless somebody gets it and rec
deloptes (12019-01-04):
> We just pointed out
> that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is no
way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount of
> space in his root file system, and get rid of it. This is an essential
> system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he will continue
> to use well beyond the current crisis.
>
> Reinstalling o
Nicolas George wrote:
> Exactly. And the kind of payment that is expected from you for help on
> this mailing-list is not pecuniary, of course. It is that you do not
> just consume the answers given to you but instead try to increase your
> knowledge and understanding so that maybe one day you wou
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:15:11 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall
> > to a new drive [...]
>
> Come on, people. Show some
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the
>
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> My own reinstall to a new, much larger disk, recommendation still stands,
> that the OP would be back to a working system where he could remount
> that old drive to his new install and recover the data he needs to
> continue his pro
On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the
> > reinstall to a new drive [...]
>
> Come on, people. Show some sense.
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> In this case, I hate to sound like
> an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall
> to a new drive [...]
Come on, people. Show some sense. (And yes, this includes the OP.)
He simply has a full root file
On 2019-01-03, Andy Smith wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
>> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>>
>> > I have no sysadmin.
>>
>> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
>> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.
>
> I
Roberto C. Sánchez (12019-01-04):
> That said, like owning an automobile, with a computer sometimes things
> break or quit working as expected. The machine then either has to be
> repaired or replaced and if the owner cannot handle the job on his or
> her own, then somebody else will need to handl
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:16:57AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (2019-01-04):
> > Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic.
>
> And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you
> noticed.
>
I tried about 15 years ago. It turns out
deloptes (2019-01-04):
> Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic.
And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you
noticed.
> To
> operate a PC means you know how to po
Hi Stephen,
Stephen P. Molnar:
On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root 12288 Jan 3 09:43 /etc
-r
songbird wrote:
> often you can get quite a bit of space from the
> package cache.
>
but his var is on dedicated partition
On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:39:51 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, deloptes wrote:
> > cat /etc/debian_version
>
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# cat /etc/debian_version
> 9.6
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl
> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> udev3.
On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:36:33 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> >> Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an
> >> Organioc Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
> >
> > Then ask
deloptes wrote:
> Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
>
>> /dev/sda1 23G 23G 0 100% /
>
> bingo - the root of all evil
yep.
> you need to free up some space somewhere in /
>
> Perhaps you have some stuff in root home
>
> $ sudo du -hs /root
>
> If not - look where the place is gone?
>
> rega
Nicolas George wrote:
> You do realize that in most countries, a license is required to operate
> motor vehicles and obtaining it requires acquiring a certain amount of
> knowledge, right?
Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic. To
operate a PC means you know how
Roberto C. Sánchez (2019-01-03):
> That would be like saying that someone who operates a motor vehicle
> without also being a mechanic is doing so without acquiring the required
> knowlege.
You do realize that in most countries, a license is required to operate
motor vehicles and obtaining it requ
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>
> > I have no sysadmin.
>
> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.
I Have No Sysadmin And I Must Sudo
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> > > > Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> > > > Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
>
> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>
> > I have no sysadmin.
Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> > > Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> > > Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
> > Then ask your sysadmin.
> I have no sysadmin.
Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
to be
Nicolas George wrote:
> Could you please read the mails you are answering to before spewing
> unhelpful comments?
Next time please explain ... not that I did not understand what you mean,
but it sounds very personal.
You could just point out, that it is not possible to install package when
the in
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> /dev/sda1 23G 23G 0 100% /
bingo - the root of all evil
you need to free up some space somewhere in /
Perhaps you have some stuff in root home
$ sudo du -hs /root
If not - look where the place is gone?
regards
On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, deloptes wrote:
cat /etc/debian_version
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# cat /etc/debian_version
9.6
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /dev
tmpfs 789M 18M 772M 3% /run
/dev/sd
On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, Nicolas George wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
Then ask your sysadmin.
Regards,
I have no sysadmin.
--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Cons
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# touch /etc/ld.so.cache
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# /sbin/ldconfig
> /sbin/ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
Tell us which version you have
$ cat /etc/debian_version
9.6
check and post here if yo
deloptes (2019-01-03):
> You don't just copy executables here and there (unless instructed to do so)
> You install via package manager
Could you please read the mails you are answering to before spewing
unhelpful comments?
Thanks in advance.
--
Nicolas George
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Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
Then ask your sysadmin.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
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Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> strace is in /usr/bin on there. I copied it to the host and ran it.
>
> comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo ./strace
> [sudo] password for comp:
> ./strace: must have PROG [ARGS] or -p PID
> Try './strace -h' for more information.
>
> I'm totally at sea here, which switch should iI
On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root 12288 Jan 3 09:43 /etc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 237114 De
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:42:50PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> When I run "strace /sbin/ldconfig" on my system, I see this line:
>
> rename("/etc/ld.so.cache~", "/etc/ld.so.cache") = 0
Oh, and there was also this stuff:
stat("/var/cache/ldconfig", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0700, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
> drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
> drwxr-xr-x 134 root root 12288 Jan 3 09:43 /etc
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 237114 Dec 26 14:47 /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw---
On 01/03/2019 02:10 PM, deloptes wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
Try
touch /etc/ld.so.cache
and repeat
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
-bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or direc
On 01/03/2019 12:53 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 12:49:48PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
You NEED to figure out why this is happening. Is the entire /etc
directory gon
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
Try
touch /etc/ld.so.cache
and repeat
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
> -bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp#
It is
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 12:49:48PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
You NEED to figure out why this is happening. Is the entire /etc
directory gone, or something?
Show some basic initiative.
Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
At this point, I would suggest:
strace ldconfig
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
> -bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
You should re-read
On 01/03/2019 12:35 PM, deloptes wrote:
deloptes wrote:
man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
cache file
$ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan 1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache
as root try
t
deloptes wrote:
> man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
>
> Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
> cache file
>
> $ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan 1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache
as root try
touch /etc/ld.so.cache
run manu
On 01/03/2019 11:29 AM, deloptes wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
man ldconfig -> cache default
Hi Stephan,
Perhaps have you become root with 'su' only. A couple of weeks ago, I
had the same problem. It seems su behaviour has changed recently. I
tried 'su -' to become root, and the error disappeared.
I guess some reading of su changelog file might explain this. But too lazy
for that.
Ho
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
> dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
Was it altered and
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