Re: free software to paid work

On 30/03/2019 21:44, Jan Claeys wrote: > On Thu, 2019-03-28 at 09:25 +, Paul Sutton wrote: >> In an effort to reach out to people and recruit much needed help for >> contributors to free software, I just wondered if there were any >> examples of where people have gained either full time wo

Re: free software to paid work

On Thu, 2019-03-28 at 09:25 +, Paul Sutton wrote: > In an effort to reach out to people and recruit much needed help for > contributors to free software, I just wondered if there were any > examples of where people have gained either full time work or full > time education places as a result

Re: Free software

On Saturday 22 July 2017 07:25:27 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 21, 2017 11:49:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Not hardly, the vesa standard, and the cards that support it cannot > > do more that 15 frames a second, at nowhere near the resolution we > > need, which these days is 1920P

Re: Free software

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:25:27 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 21, 2017 11:49:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Not hardly, the vesa standard, and the cards that support it cannot > > do more that 15 frames a second, at nowhere near the resolution we > > need, which these days is 1920P

Re: Free software

On Friday, July 21, 2017 11:49:04 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > Not hardly, the vesa standard, and the cards that support it cannot do > more that 15 frames a second, at nowhere near the resolution we need, > which these days is 1920P @ 60 fps. You can buy $90 monitors at wallies > that can do that toda

Re: Free software

On 07/21/2017 11:49 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Or use a $29 nvidia card and the Nouveau driver, which card does the job quite nicely for what we need. Again, what YOU need isn't what the OP had in mind, as he's not running an RT kernel to drive a CNC rig. He was deciding how to get the most out

Re: Free software

On Friday 21 July 2017 21:59:17 Ric Moore wrote: > On 07/19/2017 09:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The NVidia drivers have a huge problem if they are asked to co-exist > > with any system that depends on real time IRQ response. > > Which are thankfully few and far between. Admittedly a small nich

Re: Free software

On 07/19/2017 09:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: The NVidia drivers have a huge problem if they are asked to co-exist with any system that depends on real time IRQ response. Which are thankfully few and far between. You could probably just use a VESA driver and some S3 Virge video card to get the

Re: Free software

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Doug wrote: > > On 07/20/2017 06:32 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 09:27:16 PM Gene Heskett wrote: >>> >>> Doug is correct. Every shop had a subscription to SAM's and toward the >>> end as many as 9 or 10, tall 4 drawer fileing cabi

Re: Free software

On Thu 20 Jul 2017 at 08:59:08 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 20 July 2017 07:32:04 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 09:27:16 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Doug is correct. Every shop had a subscription to SAM's and toward > > > the end as many as 9 or 10, tal

Re: Free software

On 07/20/2017 06:32 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 09:27:16 PM Gene Heskett wrote: Doug is correct. Every shop had a subscription to SAM's and toward the end as many as 9 or 10, tall 4 drawer fileing cabinets to keep the stuff in if the subscription was for all of the

Re: Free software

On Thursday 20 July 2017 07:32:04 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 09:27:16 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Doug is correct. Every shop had a subscription to SAM's and toward > > the end as many as 9 or 10, tall 4 drawer fileing cabinets to keep > > the stuff in if the subscripti

Re: Free software

Le primidi 1er thermidor, an CCXXV, Ben Finney a écrit : > By analogy: I am not capable of maintaining the house I live in, let > alone of making significant improvements. > > Yet I benefit from the fact that anyone sufficiently motivated can learn > to do so and they don't need permission from th

Re: Free software

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 09:27:16 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > Doug is correct. Every shop had a subscription to SAM's and toward the > end as many as 9 or 10, tall 4 drawer fileing cabinets to keep the stuff > in if the subscription was for all of the stuff. Ahh, Sam's was a good clue (for me)--I

Re: Free software

On Wednesday 19 July 2017 19:04:33 Doug wrote: > On 07/19/2017 05:44 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > > This is another aspect of "closed source" gratis technology that is > > often swept under the rug. > > > > It used to be, for instance, that a TV in the US had a full diagram > > of working parts in the b

Re: Free software

On Wednesday 19 July 2017 18:16:16 Ric Moore wrote: > On 07/19/2017 12:33 AM, Doug wrote: > > All the wonderful Linux programmers > > have had YEARS to modify it and make it better than what > > Nvidia provides, but it seems that they haven't succeeded. > > I am very happy with my Nvidia cards and

Re: Free software

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Doug wrote: > > On 07/19/2017 05:44 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >> >> >> This is another aspect of "closed source" gratis technology that is >> often swept under the rug. >> >> It used to be, for instance, that a TV in the US had a full diagram >> of working parts in the

Re: Free software

On 07/19/2017 05:44 PM, Joel Rees wrote: This is another aspect of "closed source" gratis technology that is often swept under the rug. It used to be, for instance, that a TV in the US had a full diagram of working parts in the back case, so that the TV could still be fixed even if the manufac

Re: Free software

FTR On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Fungi4All wrote: > >>> From: dmcgarr...@optonline.net >>> To: Gene Heskett , debian-user@lists.debian.org >>> [ important stuff, check the archives] >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett >> I thought I put this to bed, but apparently not. >> > > You thought well because

Re: Free software

On 07/19/2017 12:33 AM, Doug wrote: All the wonderful Linux programmers have had YEARS to modify it and make it better than what Nvidia provides, but it seems that they haven't succeeded. I am very happy with my Nvidia cards and Nvidia drivers. What the devil is everybody bitching about? And, of

Re: Free software

On 07/18/2017 09:38 PM, Felix Miata wrote: but state and local governments have been following the federal government's lead, producing many constitutionally impermissible regulations for many decades, and getting away with it because of prohibitive legal and time expense involved in contesting i

Re: Free software

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 09:38:16 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Actually in the USA that's false, at least WRT a property owner doing his > own work, but state and local governments have been following the federal > government's lead, producing many constitutionally impermissible > regulations for many

Re: Free software

> From: dmcgarr...@optonline.net > To: Gene Heskett , debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Cheers, Gene Heskett > I thought I put this to bed, but apparently not. You thought well because if we are clarifying the description of reality we can not utilize the grocery store logic of choice. Either one f

Re: Free software

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:33:14PM -0500, Doug wrote: [...] > I thought I put this to bed, but apparently not. That's because the way you write suggests that you didn't "get" a couple of things which are very dear to many folks around here (note I s

Re: Free software

On 07/18/2017 10:53 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 18 July 2017 20:18:07 Ben Finney wrote: Teemu Likonen writes: Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not being free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do they compl

Re: Free software

On Tuesday 18 July 2017 20:18:07 Ben Finney wrote: > Teemu Likonen writes: > > Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: > > > My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not > > > being free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do > > > they complain? > > What has not bein

Re: Free software

Doug composed on 2017-07-18 19:42 (UTC-0500): > The local government has the right to prescribe > what you can do to the house! Actually in the USA that's false, at least WRT a property owner doing his own work, but state and local governments have been following the federal government's lead, p

Re: Free software

On 07/18/2017 07:48 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Doug writes: On 07/18/2017 07:18 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not being free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do they complain? If anyone who

Re: Free software

Doug writes: > On 07/18/2017 07:18 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: > >>> My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not > >>> being free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do > >>> they complain? > > If anyone who wanted to improve th

Re: Free software

On 07/18/2017 07:18 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Teemu Likonen writes: Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not being free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do they complain? Free software has the advantage that it does no

Re: Free software

Teemu Likonen writes: > Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: > > > My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not being > > free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do they > > complain? > > Free software has the advantage that it does not depend on just one > compan

Re: free-software phone: neo900

I agree. I hope they succeed As a long time N900 owner, I would love to upgrade my existing unit with a new motherboard and new, more powerful processor. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Pete Ley wrote: > green writes: > > > Something that might be of interest to Debian users: the neo900, at >

Re: free-software phone: neo900

green writes: > Something that might be of interest to Debian users: the neo900, at > , is intended to be a successor of the Nokia N900, > with significantly improved specifications and features, as well as > full free software support (excluding PowerVR 3D acceleration). It i

Re: free-software phone: neo900

ken wrote at 2013-11-05 04:53 -0600: > Is there a microphone? The N900 is a phone and has a microphone. The neo900, also, is a phone and has a microphone. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: free-software phone: neo900

On 05/11/13 10:53, ken wrote: > On 11/04/2013 08:54 PM green wrote: >> Something that might be of interest to Debian users: the neo900, at >> , is intended to be a successor of the Nokia N900, >> with significantly improved specifications and features, as well as >> full free sof

Re: free-software phone: neo900

On 11/04/2013 08:54 PM green wrote: Something that might be of interest to Debian users: the neo900, at , is intended to be a successor of the Nokia N900, with significantly improved specifications and features, as well as full free software support (excluding PowerVR 3D accele

Re: free-software phone: neo900

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:54 PM, green wrote: > Something that might be of interest to Debian users: the neo900, at > , is intended to be a successor of the Nokia N900, > with significantly improved specifications and features, as well as > full free software support (excluding

Re: free software for video production

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:21:01 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote: > I have been looking some at Khan academy: http://www.khanacademy.org/ > and I am impresses! The site seems good but you are impressed by what exactly? :-? > So the question: What are out there of free software for video >

Re: free software mini pc

On Sb, 10 mar 12, 11:01:27, Joel Rees wrote: > > As for your requirements, I've been looking and hoping for longer than > you, and now I think it's expecting too much. Think about cars at the > beginning of the last century. My father used to tell me about his > buddies who used hand-operated wind

Re: free software mini pc

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:05 AM, green wrote: > Miles Fidelman wrote at 2012-02-27 16:57 -0600: >> Perhaps not quite the answer you're looking for, but yours might be >> a situation that calls for looking at something other than Debian, >> or even Linux.  I'm thinking particularly that FreeBSD and

Re: free software mini pc

(You just sparked another rant.) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 16 feb 12, 08:43:20, Joe wrote: >> >> Hardware compatibility happens in the MS world because the boot is on >> the other foot, in that manufacturers have no choice but to engineer >> their products to

Re: free software mini pc

Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-27 19:48 -0600: > > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian. It will be used in a > > production environment. I need good Linux support to facilitate fast > > deployment and low maintenance. Avoiding non-free software really helps in > > that regard, so I con

Re: free software mini pc

Miles Fidelman wrote at 2012-02-27 16:57 -0600: > Perhaps not quite the answer you're looking for, but yours might be > a situation that calls for looking at something other than Debian, > or even Linux. I'm thinking particularly that FreeBSD and NetBSD > run on LOTS of hardware platforms, provide

Re: free software mini pc

Perhaps not quite the answer you're looking for, but yours might be a situation that calls for looking at something other than Debian, or even Linux. I'm thinking particularly that FreeBSD and NetBSD run on LOTS of hardware platforms, provide reliable open source platforms, and run pretty much

Re: free software mini pc

Steven Rosenberg wrote at 2012-02-27 12:02 -0600: > Logic Supply > Eracks, ZaReason and System76 Thanks for your comments, and especially for mentioning the other vendors each of which have some interesting products available. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: free software mini pc

On 02/17/2012 12:14 PM, green wrote: green wrote: The Fit-PC3 requires non-free fglrx for radeon hardware? Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-17 10:10 -0600: No. The Free `radeon' driver should work just fine for those AMD Fusion GPUs. Hey, that is great news; thanks. I was not aware of the

Re: free software mini pc

On 02/15/2012 11:01 AM, green wrote: So to recap my original post, the basic requirements are: - fanless mini PC - it will run Debian - production environment (reliability is important) - good Linux support to facilitate fast deployment and low maintenance, - avoiding non-free software (non-free

Re: free software mini pc

Miles Bader wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Back in the 70's DEC had an enclosure for the LSI-11 irreverently dubbed the "Hitachi". Five sides were cast aluminum with large fins o get rid of ~100 watts of heat. The sixth side was a heavily gasketed piece of cast aluminum. Are you sure it wasn't

Re: free software mini pc

Richard Owlett writes: > Back in the 70's DEC had an enclosure for the LSI-11 irreverently dubbed > the "Hitachi". > Five sides were cast aluminum with large fins o get rid of ~100 watts of > heat. The sixth side was a heavily gasketed piece of cast > aluminum. Are you sure it wasn't "The Hibachi

Re: free software mini pc

green wrote: > The Fit-PC3 requires non-free fglrx for radeon hardware? Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-17 10:10 -0600: > No. The Free `radeon' driver should work just fine for those AMD Fusion > GPUs. Hey, that is great news; thanks. I was not aware of the free radeon driver. I have found t

Re: free software mini pc

>> Of course, the manufacturer distributes the GNU/Linux version of the >> product with a proprietary driver which is hell to get working on >> anything else than that specific Xorg+kernel combination. > I like to avoid that head-banging experience and the associated "why did I > ever purchase thi

Re: free software mini pc

On 17/02/2012 4:31 AM, green wrote: Andrew McGlashan wrote at 2012-02-16 11:16 -0600: I don't think you can ever rely on a machine having full main line kernel support one day, still having it 3 or 4 years down the track. In another message, I just mentioned the desktop to be replaced, which h

Re: free software mini pc

On 16/02/12 20:16, Joe wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:16:09 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: I had some small ARM machines which worked very well on Lenny, but In history, I remember a P133 machine being "quite powerful" and it was at the time, I had one of the first ARM computers, an Acorn Ar

Re: free software mini pc

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:16:09 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > I had some small ARM machines which worked very well on Lenny, but > > In history, I remember a P133 machine being "quite powerful" and it > was at the time, I had one of the first ARM computers, an Acorn Archimedes running a 4MHz

Re: free software mini pc

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:53:36 -0600 green wrote: > Your message has > come closest so far to doing that; thanks. You're welcome, I wish I could offer more hope, but as users of an operating system most people have never heard of, we get to suck it and see. Whichever way you go, I recommend kee

Re: free software mini pc

Andrew McGlashan wrote at 2012-02-16 11:16 -0600: > I don't think you can ever rely on a machine having full main line > kernel support one day, still having it 3 or 4 years down the track. In another message, I just mentioned the desktop to be replaced, which has an Abit KR7A-133R motherboard an

Re: free software mini pc

Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-16 08:10 -0600: > > The question is, how can I be reasonably sure before the purchase? In many > > cases the information is unavailable or difficult to find. > > Agreed, it's a serious problem. E.g. for fit-pc2 I actually forgot to > mention that the video driver

Re: free software mini pc

Mark Neidorff wrote at 2012-02-16 04:38 -0600: > On Wednesday 15 February 2012 2:01:22 pm green wrote: > > When you purchased the server on which you run Lenny, did you know for sure > > that the installation would go smoothly and all hardware would work > > correctly? > > Yes. I knew because, fo

Re: free software mini pc

Okay, just a few cents from me. I don't think you can ever rely on a machine having full main line kernel support one day, still having it 3 or 4 years down the track. The drivers change, some disappear too -- there is never going to be any guarantees. The same goes for all sorts of pack

Re: free software mini pc

Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-15 20:19 -0600: > The same should hold for the Fit-PC3 (tho you may want to check their > forums first, since support for some particular features like the IR > interface or the watchdog may not all be supported by the current > kernel). While they don't guarantee t

Re: free software mini pc

Joe wrote at 2012-02-16 02:43 -0600: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:50 -0600 green wrote: > > The question is, how can I be reasonably sure before the purchase? > > In many cases the information is unavailable or difficult to find. > > Because it mostly doesn't exist. If you were given one of these m

Re: free software mini pc

On Wednesday 15 February 2012 2:01:22 pm green wrote: > Mark Neidorff wrote at 2012-02-14 17:45 -0600: > > When you purchased the server on which you run Lenny, did you know for sure > that the installation would go smoothly and all hardware would work > correctly? What if today you needed anothe

Re: free software mini pc

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 08:43:20, Joe wrote: > > Hardware compatibility happens in the MS world because the boot is on > the other foot, in that manufacturers have no choice but to engineer > their products to work with Windows, and modify them if problems are > found. No such incentive exists (yet) for

Re: free software mini pc

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:50 -0600 green wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-15 20:25 -0600: > > > > If your machine is supported by the stock kernel, all these > > problems are pretty much absent: you can expect to simply "aptitude > > upgrade" for the next ten years. > > This is *precise

Re: free software mini pc

Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-15 20:25 -0600: > > not a necessity, though it is desiable :). A custom kernel that > > doesn't work is obviously going to be a problem, but if it works well > > enough then it would be fine for me. But I guess it does make a > > The problem is: what will you do w

Re: free software mini pc

> not a necessity, though it is desiable :). A custom kernel that > doesn't work is obviously going to be a problem, but if it works well > enough then it would be fine for me. But I guess it does make a The problem is: what will you do with your machine three year down the road? Will you have

Re: free software mini pc

> So to recap my original post, the basic requirements are: > - fanless mini PC > - it will run Debian > - production environment (reliability is important) > - good Linux support to facilitate fast deployment and low maintenance, > - avoiding non-free software (non-free firmware, out-of-tree kern

Re: free software mini pc

Mark Neidorff wrote at 2012-02-14 17:45 -0600: > I've stayed on the sidelines of this thread because the original post sounded > to me like trolling. But, after the posts that I have read, you seem quite > serious. Trolling?! Apparently I failed to clearly express myself in the original post.

Re: free software mini pc

Alex Hutton wrote at 2012-02-14 16:59 -0600: > Fair points. I guess you would need to go with an Atom or other x86 > system which would have a more mature architecture, rather than ARM. Yes, x86 seems to be the architecture of choice at this point, with regard to reliability. > For my personal n

Re: free software mini pc

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:26:04 +1100, Alex wrote in message : > On 13 February 2012 00:57, green wrote: > > > > So the Trim-Slice is not supported by mainline kernels? > > > > As others said, the main issue is the Tegra 2 is a nvidia chip ...that doesn't work with nouveau? Uh-oh. > and CompuL

Re: free software mini pc

Christofer C. Bell wrote at 2012-02-13 16:54 -0600: > Maybe they mean the system halts but doesn't power off. Would that be an > issue? Having to manually cut power? Um, maybe the thing that people aren't getting here is that I am interested in *purchasing* a device. (I am not out to throw mu

Re: free software mini pc

On Monday 13 February 2012 5:04:04 pm green wrote: > David Goodenough wrote at 2012-02-13 11:31 -0600: > > On Monday 13 Feb 2012, green wrote: > > > Is Tegra 3 supported by Linux? Are any of the Tegras supported by > > > Linux? While I have found nothing definitive, everything I have found > > > s

Re: free software mini pc

On 15 February 2012 02:34, green wrote: > I am *not* looking for disposable hardware.  I am *not* interested in > purchasing a maintenance burden.  I need *rock-solid* *long-term* Linux > reliability on *rock-solid* hardware.  Will Compulabs continue to provide > updated custom kernels a year or m

Re: free software mini pc

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, green wrote: > Tom H wrote at 2012-02-14 11:18 -0600: >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, green wrote: >> > >> > Frankly, I am surprised that comments here suggest apathy and even >> > hostility >> > toward (that is, questioning the value of) a search for a str

Re: free software mini pc

Tom H wrote at 2012-02-14 11:18 -0600: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, green wrote: > > Frankly, I am surprised that comments here suggest apathy and even hostility > > toward (that is, questioning the value of) a search for a strictly "free > > software" device, especially considering Debian'

Re: free software mini pc

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, green wrote: > > I am *not* looking for disposable hardware.  I am *not* interested in > purchasing a maintenance burden.  I need *rock-solid* *long-term* Linux > reliability on *rock-solid* hardware.  Will Compulabs continue to provide > updated custom kernels a

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Alex Hutton wrote at 2012-02-14 06:26 -0600: > There was an interesting article about the Trim Slice posted a few > days ago, I don't know if you saw it: > http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2012-02-12-21-43_playing_with_the_trim_slice.html Thanks, I had not seen that yet. Reading that certainly sug

Re: free software mini pc

On 13 February 2012 00:57, green wrote: > > So the Trim-Slice is not supported by mainline kernels? > As others said, the main issue is the Tegra 2 is a nvidia chip and CompuLab are reliant on nvidia in order to get things working. I haven't tried upgrading the kernel since I got the original un

Re: free software mini pc

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:47 PM, green wrote: > Christofer C. Bell wrote at 2012-02-13 15:33 -0600: >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:11 AM, green wrote: >> > >> > So they just try booting Ubuntu and if it works, then claim Linux support? >> >> Their testing methodology isn't outlined in the post her

Re: free software mini pc

Christofer C. Bell wrote at 2012-02-13 15:33 -0600: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:11 AM, green wrote: > > Bruce Ferrell wrote at 2012-02-12 18:56 -0600: > > > http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/fanless_systems > > > > Thanks for the link, they have some nice looking systems.  Unfortunately I > >

Re: free software mini pc

David Goodenough wrote at 2012-02-13 11:31 -0600: > On Monday 13 Feb 2012, green wrote: > > Is Tegra 3 supported by Linux? Are any of the Tegras supported by Linux? > > While I have found nothing definitive, everything I have found suggests > > not. > > If you look at the linux-arm mailing list, o

Re: free software mini pc

On Monday 13 Feb 2012, green wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote at 2012-02-12 17:10 -0600: > > On Sb, 11 feb 12, 20:09:00, green wrote: > > > - Trim-Slice H (custom kernel) > > > > I was almost going to order one of those, but eventually gave up because > > "SATA is implemented with USB to SATA Genesys

Re: free software mini pc

Andrei Popescu wrote at 2012-02-12 17:10 -0600: > On Sb, 11 feb 12, 20:09:00, green wrote: > > - Trim-Slice H (custom kernel) > > I was almost going to order one of those, but eventually gave up because > "SATA is implemented with USB to SATA Genesys Logic GL830". I admit the > custom kernel was

Re: free software mini pc

Bruce Ferrell wrote at 2012-02-12 18:56 -0600: > http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/fanless_systems Thanks for the link, they have some nice looking systems. Unfortunately I was unable to find any mention of Linux kernel support status. > They have a FEW system they have marked as unusuitabl

Re: free software mini pc

On 02/12/2012 07:29 AM, green wrote: > kei...@strucktower.com wrote at 2012-02-12 08:28 -0600: >> But I'm curious about the original query- what's the need for such an >> ultra-quiet machine? > Reason 1: no cleaning. A system with a fan requires cleaning. Frequency > of cleaning depends on the e

Re: free software mini pc

On Sb, 11 feb 12, 20:09:00, green wrote: > - Trim-Slice H (custom kernel) I was almost going to order one of those, but eventually gave up because "SATA is implemented with USB to SATA Genesys Logic GL830". I admit the custom kernel was also not an incentive. Maybe CompuLab will release a devic

Re: free software mini pc

green wrote: kei...@strucktower.com wrote at 2012-02-12 08:28 -0600: But I'm curious about the original query- what's the need for such an ultra-quiet machine? Reason 1: no cleaning. A system with a fan requires cleaning. Frequency of cleaning depends on the environment. The desktop that th

Re: free software mini pc

On 2/11/2012 8:09 PM, green wrote: > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian. It will be used in a > production environment. > Doesnt thin clients & LTSP qualify for this ? For my situation, this would result in maintaining 2 devices rather than 1; not really a reasonable option. > WYSE S

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kei...@strucktower.com wrote at 2012-02-12 08:28 -0600: > But I'm curious about the original query- what's the need for such an > ultra-quiet machine? Reason 1: no cleaning. A system with a fan requires cleaning. Frequency of cleaning depends on the environment. The desktop that this will repl

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I'm glad to see this thread, because I hadn't heard of the Raspberry Pi before- way cool! But I'm curious about the original query- what's the need for such an ultra-quiet machine? I too hate fan noise, but even when run hard I have to _try_ to hear my laptop fan. Is there a special reason you ne

Re: free software mini pc

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:27 PM, green wrote: > On 2/11/2012 8:09 PM, green wrote: > > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian. It will be used in a > > production environment. > > Alex Hutton wrote at 2012-02-11 22:56 -0600: > > I share your sympathies. I really hate fan noise! There are A

Re: free software mini pc

On 2/11/2012 8:09 PM, green wrote: > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian.  It will be used in a > production environment. Alex Hutton wrote at 2012-02-11 22:56 -0600: > I share your sympathies. I really hate fan noise! There are ARM > computers that run at 5 watts, and can be passively co

Re: free software mini pc

On 12 February 2012 15:06, green wrote: > Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-02-11 21:15 -0600: >> On 2/11/2012 8:09 PM, green wrote: >> > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian.  It will be used in a >> > production environment. Hi, I share your sympathies. I really hate fan noise! There are ARM

Re: free software mini pc

Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-02-11 21:15 -0600: > On 2/11/2012 8:09 PM, green wrote: > > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian. It will be used in a > > production environment. > [...] > > Comments appreciated! > > What type of comments, exactly, are you looking for? You've got 6 > system

Re: free software mini pc

On 2/11/2012 8:09 PM, green wrote: > I need a fanless mini PC; it will run Debian. It will be used in a > production environment. [...] > Comments appreciated! What type of comments, exactly, are you looking for? You've got 6 systems listed, 3 apparently meeting all your criteria--you listed no

Re: Free software

On 01/25/2012 10:42 AM, Stayvoid wrote: > Hello! > > I want to install Debian. > Does it contain any non-free software? How to check it? > vrms - Virtual Richard M. Stallman can help you . > Is there a way to use Debian without non-free software? >

Re: Free software

* On 2012 25 Jan 03:43 -0600, Stayvoid wrote: > Hello! > > I want to install Debian. > Does it contain any non-free software? How to check it? > > Is there a way to use Debian without non-free software? The default is the way. That said, you may find that depending on your hardware that the exp

Re: Free software

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:42:24 +0300 Stayvoid wrote: Hello Stayvoid, > I want to install Debian. > Does it contain any non-free software? How to check it? The main Debian repos have three sections; Main, Contrib & Non-free. > Is there a way to use Debian without non-free software? Don't use th

Re: Free software

On 25/01/12 21:24, Stayvoid wrote: >> The main branch is only free software... There are three repositories - you need "main" to build an OS Main is all libre Additionally you may select "contrib" and "non-free". > Are you sure about that? Debian has a legal test:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:24:03 +0300 Stayvoid wrote: > > The main branch is only free software... > Are you sure about that? > How to check that? > Where can I look through the package's license? > Its policy [1] - "Every package in main must comply with the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines

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