Zenaan Harkness writes:
> Scripting has its place, but from my extensive reading
> of systemd docs and some of the old sysv startup scripts
> (for postfix and various others over the years), give me
> systemd unit files any day! Preference. Mine.
"De gustibus non disputandum est" (you can't ar
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Chris Bannister wrote:
> Oh. Ok, but I was using the same terms that Henrique de Moraes
> Holschuh used when he talked about the debian-testing mailing list and
> how people were wondering if that was the list to discuss testing
> issues from a user perspective.
It's not for u
Chris Bannister wrote:
But the debian-user list is for Debian support, and discussing the
issues of scripting versus configuration is therefore off-topic, IMHO.
Ummm, according to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ this list is
for "Help and discussion among users of Debian."
Under that
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:20:24 -0400 Steve Litt sent:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:20:59 +0100
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 23 July 2014 21:36:23 Curt wrote:
> > > And maybe more somewhere, more rules and regulations we can abuse
> > > and break until we're banned like incurable lepers from
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:18:00 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:47:00PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:13 +1200
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > > On 7/23/14, Joel Rees wro
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:20:59 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 July 2014 21:36:23 Curt wrote:
> > And maybe more somewhere, more rules and regulations we can abuse
> > and break until we're banned like incurable lepers from the
> > community.
>
> Maybe he is thinking of the DFSG? Or the
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:47:00PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:13 +1200
> Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > On 7/23/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> > > > I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, bu
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 21:36:23 Curt wrote:
> And maybe more somewhere, more rules and regulations we can abuse and
> break until we're banned like incurable lepers from the community.
Maybe he is thinking of the DFSG? Or the Social Contract?
Lisi
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On 2014-07-23, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Where does one see the list charter? Neither googling
> "debian-user"+"mailing list"+charter nore "debian-user"+"mailing
> list"+rules nor a search on the debian.org site itself nor just general
> searching came up with it within the top 20 results.
>
I was
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:13 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On 7/23/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> > > I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but
> > > perhaps we can expose a disagreement on terminology without the
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 7/23/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> > I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but perhaps we
> > can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and heat of
> > the discussion in which it came up.
>
> No
Steve Litt writes:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:35:01 +0200
> sa...@eng.it wrote:
>
> > Steve Litt writes:
> >
> > > Although I spent 14 years making my living as a software developer,
> > > there are times when I don't want the freedom to do absolutely
> > > anything. This is why I switch
Joel Rees grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 2014/07/23 16:41 "Tony Baldwin" :
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>>> Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
>>> language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
On 7/24/14, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> Joel Rees writes:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, wrote:
> > > Zenaan Harkness writes:
> > >
> > >> So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
> > > > concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
> > > > are an excellent
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:35:01 +0200
sa...@eng.it wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
>
> > Although I spent 14 years making my living as a software developer,
> > there are times when I don't want the freedom to do absolutely
> > anything. This is why I switched away from Perl: I needed some
> > limit
Steve Litt writes:
> Although I spent 14 years making my living as a software developer,
> there are times when I don't want the freedom to do absolutely
> anything. This is why I switched away from Perl: I needed some
> limitations.
Despite limits may be a fun challenge, I prefer to g
Joel Rees writes:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, wrote:
> > Zenaan Harkness writes:
> >
> >> So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
> > > concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
> > > are an excellent grounding for the conversation which is
> > >
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:36:24 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> And, conversely, adding identifiers to attempt to cover every
> necessary possible configuration is always going to result in a
> boatload of arcane terms with arcane semantics. (And you still have
> the issue of engineering clairvoyance vers
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:46:56 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic,
Yeah you dirty dog :-)
> but perhaps
> we can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and
> heat of the discussion in which it came up.
>
> Words, when spoken, mea
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness writes:
>
>> So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
> > concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
> > are an excellent grounding for the conversation which is
> > undoubtedly going to continue :)
>
> O
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
> concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
> are an excellent grounding for the conversation which is
> undoubtedly going to continue :)
One question. Can you give me an example of Turing compl
On 7/23/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but perhaps we
> can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and heat of
> the discussion in which it came up.
Not offtopic at all, since some (heated, or protracted)
discussions, drag out d
Joel Rees writes:
> 2014/07/23 16:41 "Tony Baldwin" :
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> > > Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting
> > > a
> > > language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases
> >
2014/07/23 16:41 "Tony Baldwin" :
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> > Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
> > language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
> > be a language.
>
> I would argue that pr
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
> language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
> be a language.
I would argue that programming is linguistics (being a linguist, mys
Joel Rees writes:
> Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
> language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
> be a language.
But it could lose the Turing completeness.
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