Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-15, Richard Owlett wrote: >> > > Neither >> $ dot -Tps -o APT::Cache::GivenOnly=1 dependency-graph.dot > owl2.ps > Nor >> $ dot -o APT::Cache::GivenOnly=1 dependency-graph.dot > gave useful output. > > I'll do some reading and try on something simpler. > Thanks > > That doesn'

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Apr 2019 at 10:13:31 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2019 09:15 AM, David Wright wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > Using "dot -Tps dependency-graph.dot > owl.ps" I got a displayable, > > > if not readable, graph. There was a warning in what I had read about > > > "dotty" about viewa

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2019 09:15 AM, David Wright wrote: [snip] Using "dot -Tps dependency-graph.dot > owl.ps" I got a displayable, if not readable, graph. There was a warning in what I had read about "dotty" about viewablity issues if the graph was too complex. Suspect that is problem. Add -o APT::Cac

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Apr 2019 at 08:50:12 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2019 03:39 AM, Peter Wiersig wrote: > > Richard Owlett writes: > > > Long term goal: *personal* definition of a minimalist Debian > > > > > > current goal: grok how packages interact > > > > http://www.macfreek.nl/memory/De

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 15 April 2019 09:28:12 Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 4/15/19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Debootstrap is a harsh mistress (yeah, stolen from somewhere). But > > you might end up liking it once you get the hang of it... > Somewhat off topic, but your reading material in your formative yea

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2019 03:39 AM, Peter Wiersig wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Long term goal: *personal* definition of a minimalist Debian current goal: grok how packages interact http://www.macfreek.nl/memory/Dependency_Graph_Debian_Packages TLDR: $ apt-cache dotty mate-desktop > dependency-graph.dot

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 4/15/19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Debootstrap is a harsh mistress (yeah, stolen from somewhere). But > you might end up liking it once you get the hang of it... Don't know if I ever heard that, at least not that I can remember that topic specifically. I just know that debootstrap always *W

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2019 02:12 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 08:38:48AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] In past conversations it has been suggested that I do a typical install and just un-install the un-desired elements: Start with what debootstrap [1] gives you and work up fro

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread Peter Wiersig
Richard Owlett writes: > Long term goal: *personal* definition of a minimalist Debian > > current goal: grok how packages interact http://www.macfreek.nl/memory/Dependency_Graph_Debian_Packages TLDR: $ apt-cache dotty mate-desktop > dependency-graph.dot $ dot -Tpng dependency-graph.dot That eit

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-15 Thread tomas
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 08:38:48AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > >>>In past conversations it has been suggested that I do a typical > >>>install and just un-install the un-desired elements: Start with what debootstrap [1] gives you and work up from there. This is what any regular Debian i

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-14 Thread David Wright
On Sun 14 Apr 2019 at 07:32:36 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > Long term goal: *personal* definition of a minimalist Debian Debian is in no way minimilist: in fact, it's the opposite, "The universal operating system" claiming over 51000 packages. You're the one claiming to be a minimalist, thoug

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-14 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/14/2019 07:50 AM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 7:33 AM Richard Owlett > wrote: That ... Moderate trimming is good. Yours destroyed the context of "That". It referred to: In past conversations it has been suggested that I do a typical

Re: Exploring package interrelationships

2019-04-14 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 7:33 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > That is undesirable for two primary reasons: > 1. I would not reach my primary goal of "grok how packages interact". > I think a better way to proceed, which will be quite confusing itself :-) is to simply explore those relationships usin