Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-09 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 02:38:48PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > I really don't see anything I'd call "dependency hell" any more. > > > > Perhaps it's because I experienced the real thing, or perhaps because I > > > > don't use a DE. > > > > > > Try unistalling a DE, either i

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-09 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:59:00 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > B writes: > > To make things easy, I figured to just uninstall GNOME. Wouldn't work > > no matter what method I tried. Uninstall always wanted to remove ALL X > > based stuff. Dependency hell. Researched a lot. No solutions found. > >

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-09 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 21:40:08 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 11:21:26AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:44:32 -0500 > > John Hasler wrote: > > > > > Patrick Bartek writes: > > > > They are each their own Hell. Package management software solved, > > > > m

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-09 Thread John Hasler
B writes: > To make things easy, I figured to just uninstall GNOME. Wouldn't work > no matter what method I tried. Uninstall always wanted to remove ALL X > based stuff. Dependency hell. Researched a lot. No solutions found. Install LXDE *first*. Remove Gnome *second*. Do it all from a text c

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-09 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:44:55 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Bartek writes: > > Try unistalling a DE, either in part or whole, to replace it with > > another and you'll end up with no xorg and all the stuff that goes > > with it, and all the apps that run under it. Quite a surprise. > > My

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-08 Thread John Hasler
Patrick Bartek writes: > Try unistalling a DE, either in part or whole, to replace it with > another and you'll end up with no xorg and all the stuff that goes > with it, and all the apps that run under it. Quite a surprise. My desktop machine has a highly-customized FVWM installation but I've ch

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-08 Thread Reco
On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 11:21:26AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:44:32 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > > > Patrick Bartek writes: > > > They are each their own Hell. Package management software solved, > > > more or less, one type, but created another beast as the OP has > >

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-08 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:44:32 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Bartek writes: > > They are each their own Hell. Package management software solved, > > more or less, one type, but created another beast as the OP has > > discovered and that we each deal with in our own ways. Such is life > > .

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread John Hasler
Patrick Bartek writes: > They are each their own Hell. Package management software solved, > more or less, one type, but created another beast as the OP has > discovered and that we each deal with in our own ways. Such is life > . . . and software The OP is in a hell of his own making (which is

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread goleo .
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 03:46:53AM +0300, goleo . wrote: > >Liar, you are the one being abusive. I am being rude for a right reason. > > Presumably you posted to debian-user@ in the hope of getting help. > With this attitude I can assure you

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:01:31 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Bartek writes: > > Welcome to the Wonderful Hell of Dependencies. > > That's not dependency hell. Dependency hell is what we had before > package management systems. I assure you that occasionally permitting > the installation o

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread Dan Purgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Bartek writes: >> Welcome to the Wonderful Hell of Dependencies. > > That's not dependency hell. Dependency hell is what we had before > package management systems. I assure you that occasionally permitting > the instal

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread John Hasler
Patrick Bartek writes: > Welcome to the Wonderful Hell of Dependencies. That's not dependency hell. Dependency hell is what we had before package management systems. I assure you that occasionally permitting the installation of a program you don't need is preferable by far. -- John Hasler jhas

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 03:46:53AM +0300, goleo . wrote: Liar, you are the one being abusive. I am being rude for a right reason. Presumably you posted to debian-user@ in the hope of getting help. With this attitude I can assure you help will be in short supply. -- 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread Joe
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 03:46:53 +0300 "goleo ." wrote: > > Liar, you are the one being abusive. I am being rude for a right > reason. > You are being rude through (being charitable) ignorance. 1. Boot the appropriate Debian netinstall medium. 2. Deselect *all* tasks when offered the choice, sin

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0300, goleo . wrote: [...] > This is harassment because you force me to use either > Xarchiver or Ark, you don't give me the choice to use none. Who is that "you" you keep talking about? You are aware that you are addressing the "Debian Users" mailing list? Pe

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-07 Thread Ansgar
Carl Fink writes: > From his writing style, I get the feeling goleo is a young teen, perhaps > someone who learned social skills in a multiplayer game online. Or a hateful older person who is afraid of this new "video game" stuff and made up his mind that playing video games makes people abusive,

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread Carl Fink
On 10/6/19 9:16 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Your self-description of being rude is absolutely correct. Apart from that, you are self-righteous; there is a vast difference between that and being right (which, incidentally, you are not). Mind you, all you've managed to accomplish is to incite s

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 03:46:53AM +0300, goleo . wrote: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:08 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: > > > > Two points: > > > > 1. If you don't like the dependencies in the packaging system, there > > are multiple better ways to deal with this. File bugs, or work

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread goleo .
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:08 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0300, goleo . wrote: > >On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:49 PM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 09:50:54PM +0300, goleo . wrote: > >> >Hi. > >> > > >> >After i

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0300, goleo . wrote: >On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:49 PM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 09:50:54PM +0300, goleo . wrote: >> >Hi. >> > >> >After installing Debian 10 on my laptop (I choose desktop LXQT) >> >I noticed that Xarchive

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread deloptes
goleo . wrote: > You are a bunch of hypocrites and assholes, you are not > fighting for freedom, you just provide separate contrib and > non-free repositories just to make up illusion of fighting fighting > for freedom. by saying this you are describing your self at the same moment. Feel free to

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-10-06 at 17:00, goleo . wrote: > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:49 PM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> > wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 09:50:54PM +0300, goleo . wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> After installing Debian 10 on my laptop (I choose desktop LXQT) I >>> noticed that Xarchiver is preins

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread goleo .
On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:49 PM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 09:50:54PM +0300, goleo . wrote: > >Hi. > > > >After installing Debian 10 on my laptop (I choose desktop LXQT) > >I noticed that Xarchiver is preinstalled and it was inconvenient > >to me in the past,

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 21:50:54 +0300 "goleo ." wrote: > Hi. > > After installing Debian 10 on my laptop (I choose desktop LXQT) > I noticed that Xarchiver is preinstalled and it was inconvenient > to me in the past, so I opened Synaptic to remove it. But when > I click on "xarchiver" and choose "Ma

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 09:50:54PM +0300, goleo . wrote: >Hi. > >After installing Debian 10 on my laptop (I choose desktop LXQT) >I noticed that Xarchiver is preinstalled and it was inconvenient >to me in the past, so I opened Synaptic to remove it. But when >I click on "xarchiver" and choose "Mark

Re: Default Debian install harassed me

2019-10-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Oct 2019 at 21:50:54 (+0300), goleo . wrote: > Hi. > > After installing Debian 10 on my laptop (I choose desktop LXQT) > I noticed that Xarchiver is preinstalled and it was inconvenient > to me in the past, so I opened Synaptic to remove it. But when > I click on "xarchiver" and choose "