Re: Web page management. Was: Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-02-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 30/01/2023 10:32, Celejar wrote: For those who may not be aware, the developer of uBlock Origin and uMatrix, Raymond Hill, has ceased work on uMatrix: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uMatrix-issues/issues/291#issuecomment-694988696 It is really sour. On a lot of sites, including github, hig

Re: Web page management. Was: Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-29 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:14:22 -0500 Dan Ritter wrote: > pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > Unwieldly References list truncated. > > > > From: Stefan Monnier > > Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:45:52 -0500 > > > I use uMatrix, which I find strikes a fairly good balance between > > > keeping sites wo

Re: Software usage. Was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-21 Thread David Wright
On Sat 21 Jan 2023 at 08:20:00 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: > Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:09:20 +0100 > > Know what? Those "resources" to be "allocated" are you and me. > > Documentation? The Web? Most of the front page, > https://www.debian.org , is occupied with graphics.

Software usage. Was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-21 Thread peter
From: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:09:20 +0100 > Know what? Those "resources" to be "allocated" are you and me. Documentation? The Web? Most of the front page, https://www.debian.org , is occupied with graphics. =8~/ A link directly to https://wiki.debian.org would make sense. "User su

Re: Web page management. Was: Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-20 Thread Dan Ritter
pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Unwieldly References list truncated. > > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:45:52 -0500 > > I use uMatrix, which I find strikes a fairly good balance between > > keeping sites working and letting me control how much crap is loaded. > > Another he

Web page management. Was: Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-20 Thread peter
Unwieldly References list truncated. From: Stefan Monnier Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:45:52 -0500 > I use uMatrix, which I find strikes a fairly good balance between > keeping sites working and letting me control how much crap is loaded. Another helpful add-on. Thanks! A feature (gingerb

Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-08 Thread Curt
On 2023-01-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > To heck with it, let's just fall back on Allan Sherman's > description of a dejected man from Mars searching for his > girlfriend, who's... > > Eight foot two, solid blue > Five transistors in each shoe > Has anybody seen my gal? > > Luci

Re: Web functionality; was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-08 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 08, 2023 at 07:53:11AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > David & all, > > Earlier from peter, > > > Bulk of the software and frequent updates are evident but what changes > > > in functionality? The Web site of my credit union works as it did > > > five years ago. > > From: David W

Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-08 Thread David Wright
On Sat 07 Jan 2023 at 17:52:43 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2023-01-07, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > To an American audience, the meaning is quite different. We only use > > "coo" to describe the noise made by a dove, or as an (urban) slang > > term which is a shortened form of "cool". > > > > I ha

Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-08 Thread David Wright
On Fri 06 Jan 2023 at 23:41:25 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 01:26:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > Rather, > > > > > > > > coo² (slang) interjection, expressive of surprise. (Chambers) > > > > > > > > and this has been around far longer than my lifetime. >

Re: Web functionality; was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-08 Thread David Wright
On Sun 08 Jan 2023 at 07:53:11 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > My primary interest: if many Web sites appear and perform as five > years ago, what is the need for the frequent updates? A bug needs > repair a.s.a.p. A bug compromising security needs repair sooner. > Are most Firefox updat

Web functionality; was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-08 Thread peter
David & all, Earlier from peter, > > Bulk of the software and frequent updates are evident but what changes > > in functionality? The Web site of my credit union works as it did > > five years ago. From: David Wright Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600 > What's that got to do with Firefox? O

Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-07 Thread Charlie Gibbs
Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria. On Sat Jan 7 13:37:31 2023 cu...@free.fr wrote: > On 2023-01-07, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> To an American audience, the meaning is quite different. >> We only use "coo" to describe the noise made by a dove, >> or

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-07 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jan 07, 2023 at 12:45:52PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > That said, my way to cope with it: my main browsing profile > > is one where I have excised javascript capabilities by "tuning" > > (read: fat-fingering) about:config. Some pages won't work, but > > for those I get to think twice w

Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-07 Thread Curt
On 2023-01-07, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > To an American audience, the meaning is quite different. We only use > "coo" to describe the noise made by a dove, or as an (urban) slang > term which is a shortened form of "cool". > I haven't been following, but coo to me is the sound a pigeon makes, or

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-07 Thread Stefan Monnier
> That said, my way to cope with it: my main browsing profile > is one where I have excised javascript capabilities by "tuning" > (read: fat-fingering) about:config. Some pages won't work, but > for those I get to think twice whether I'm interested or not. > Most of the time I am not. I use uMatri

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-07 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jan 07, 2023 at 12:50:37PM +, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 07:39:41 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 07:41:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] hope that Firefox gets a bit more memory-efficient, > > > > Stefan, I *love* your dry humour :

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 07:41:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: [...] > [...] hope that Firefox gets a bit more memory-efficient, Stefan, I *love* your dry humour :-) That said, my way to cope with it: my main browsing profile is one where I have excised javascript capabilities by "tuning" (rea

Re: [OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
> > On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 01:26:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > Rather, > > > > > > coo² (slang) interjection, expressive of surprise. (Chambers) > > > > > > and this has been around far longer than my lifetime. > > When using slang, the current meaning is the one that will be understo

[OT] coo, was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread David Wright
I'm only replying because I've got nothing better to do. (Recuperating.) On Fri 06 Jan 2023 at 15:18:44 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 01:26:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > And cool in this modern sense (and words like awesome, wicked, and so > > on) is quite recent. >

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> What, you expect someone to obtain an i386 machine just to replicate >> that it's slow? And make it crash in some unspecified manner? > Definitely not for the problems with Firefox. BTW, regarding the problem with Firefox, a cause of crashes of Firefox for me is running out of memory. So there

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread gene heskett
On 1/6/23 15:19, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] I know that's going to be an obstacle for many of the people here, since we're generally a mature bunch, but that's the nature of a living language. If you want to use a slang term that you know is pretty old, and you aren't sure whether its meaning is

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 01:26:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > And cool in this modern sense (and words like awesome, wicked, and so > on) is quite recent. > > Rather, > > coo² (slang) interjection, expressive of surprise. (Chambers) > > and this has been around far longer than my lifetime. >

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Thu 05 Jan 2023 at 23:34:12 (-0500), Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 1:57 PM wrote: > > David Wright wrote on Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600 For clarification … > > > I ran FF on a 500MB i386 laptop to the end of buster, ... > > > > Debian dropped support for i386, i486

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Thu 05 Jan 2023 at 10:40:59 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: David Wright > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600 > > What, you expect someone to obtain an i386 machine just to replicate > > that it's slow? And make it crash in some unspecified manner? > > Definitely not for th

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-05 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 1:57 PM wrote: > David, > > Thanks for replying. > > From: David Wright > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600 > > What, you expect someone to obtain an i386 machine just to replicate > > that it's slow? And make it crash in some unspecified manner? > > Definitely

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-05 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jan 05, 2023 at 10:40:59AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: [...] > [...] Debian can't fix it. No single > entity can fix it. At least Debian can acknowledge the problem and > allocate some attention and resources to mitigation. You sound a bit like Napoléon on his horse. Know what? T

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-05 Thread peter
David, Thanks for replying. From: David Wright Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 21:46:39 -0600 > What, you expect someone to obtain an i386 machine just to replicate > that it's slow? And make it crash in some unspecified manner? Definitely not for the problems with Firefox. Yes, I'd hope that at

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" >> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 16:32:37 + >> > All software is buggy: it is a matter of luck whether bugs hit you. >> =8~/ A hacker might be satisfied with luck. An engineer should not >> be. If I claim to be a package maintainer, I test as broadly as >> f

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Wed 04 Jan 2023 at 14:26:47 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > dpkg -l | grep fire > ii firefox-esr 102.6.0esr-1~deb11u1 > i386 Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR) > > > All software is buggy: it is a mat

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 02:26:47PM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 16:32:37 + > > > All software is buggy: it is a matter of luck whether bugs hit you. > > =8~/ A hacker might be satisfied with luck. An engineer should not > be

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread peter
From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 16:32:37 + > Is this a bug that you are experiencing? Yes. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562765#55 > This is only the case for IPv6 - is this something that affects you? I don't need IPv6 but need 4. This is the pe

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread peter
From: Eric S Fraga Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 09:25:02 + > According to that bug report, the problem is on sid. Was on sid. The report originated in 2009 when sid = squeeze = Debian 6. sid is a floating codename. Helps to confuse us. =8~) https://www.debian.org/releases/ 'The "unst

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread piorunz
On 03/01/2023 21:36, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Can't comment on Cheese camera software or Qemu bridge, I don't use that. Firefox has become slow and crashes frequently. Firefox works perfectly well for me, on both Debian Stable and Debian Testing systems. I don't restart Firefox for days and

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 03, 2023 at 01:36:31PM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hi, > > A few years ago a USB camera worked with Cheese, a bridge interface > worked as documented and Firefox was fairly stable. > > Now Cheese cashes immediately upon startup. > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?b

Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-04 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 3 Jan 2023 at 13:36, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > A few years ago a USB camera worked with Cheese, a bridge interface > worked as documented and Firefox was fairly stable. > > Now Cheese cashes immediately upon startup. > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562765 Accordi