On Thu 07 May 2020 at 14:28:12 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
> > > or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not
On Thu 07 May 2020 at 14:23:06 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 29 Apr 2020 at 12:20:37 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> >
> > > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > The best thing about a wiki is that anyone can edit it[1]. Having to
> > > > check with others first would
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote:
How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
web-based forum)?
What word would you suggest be used for the
Brian wrote:
On Wed 29 Apr 2020 at 12:20:37 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
...
The best thing about a wiki is that anyone can edit it[1]. Having to
check with others first would, in my opinion, just hinder contributions.
Reverts are much easier to do than edits ;)
How ab
On Mi, 29 apr 20, 15:07:45, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Mi, 29 apr 20, 13:03:47, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > > > This topic has been on LWN.net for the past several days and should be
> > > > free to view in the next day or two: https://lwn.net/Art
* On 2020 29 Apr 12:05 -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > This topic has been on LWN.net for the past several days and should be
> > free to view in the next day or two: https://lwn.net/Articles/817668/
>
> And subscribing is required even just to *see* the "Debian discusses
Thanks! (Yes, I would exclude Usenet as well (I mean, I like Usenet, just
like email better.))
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 05:55:15 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Web forums.
>
> Or Usenet, but I don't think you meant that.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 05:53:24PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do call forums
> but excluding email / maillists?
Web forums.
Or Usenet, but I don't think you meant that.
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:49:53 PM Daniel Barclay wrote:
> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
> or even non-digital communication (that "forum" does not mean only a
> web-based forum)?
What word would you suggest be used for the things that people do c
to...@tuxteam.de (12020-04-29):
> This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especially
> interested in Internet protocols... but I get the idea.
But to be realistic, Postel's principle, even if it was thought for
protocols rather than human relationships, is much more relevant for
On Wed 29 Apr 2020 at 13:03:47 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > This topic has been on LWN.net for the past several days and should be
> > free to view in the next day or two: https://lwn.net/Articles/817668/
>
> And subscribing is required even just to *see* the "Debian d
On Wed 29 Apr 2020 at 12:20:37 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > ...
> > The best thing about a wiki is that anyone can edit it[1]. Having to
> > check with others first would, in my opinion, just hinder contributions.
> >
> > Reverts are much easier to do than edits ;)
>
>
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 02:54:42PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
[...]
> A longstanding principle of good software design: "be conservative in
> what you emit, and liberal in what you consume". In some such set of
> words or another.
This would be Postel's principle -- and this gentleman was especi
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 29 apr 20, 13:03:47, Daniel Barclay wrote:
Nate Bargmann wrote:
This topic has been on LWN.net for the past several days and should be
free to view in the next day or two: https://lwn.net/Articles/817668/
And subscribing is required even just to *see* the "Debian
On 2020-04-29 at 14:10, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Daniel Barclay wrote:
>
>> Sven Hartge wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> As Russ noted in
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in
>>> 3) "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]" ...
>>
>> How do people not understan
Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Sven Hartge wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > As Russ noted in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in 3)
> > "... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]"
> > ...
>
>
> How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-m
On Mi, 29 apr 20, 13:03:47, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > This topic has been on LWN.net for the past several days and should be
> > free to view in the next day or two: https://lwn.net/Articles/817668/
>
> And subscribing is required even just to *see* the "Debian discusses
>
Nate Bargmann wrote:
This topic has been on LWN.net for the past several days and should be
free to view in the next day or two: https://lwn.net/Articles/817668/
And subscribing is required even just to *see* the "Debian discusses Discourse"
discussions?
That's, well, ... at least ironic.
D
Sven Hartge wrote:
...
As Russ noted in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html in 3)
"... more comfortable with forums than with email. [...]"
...
How do people not understand that the word "forum" does not exclude e-mail
or even non-digital communication (that "forum"
On Mi, 29 apr 20, 12:20:37, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > ...
> > The best thing about a wiki is that anyone can edit it[1]. Having to
> > check with others first would, in my opinion, just hinder contributions.
> >
> > Reverts are much easier to do than edits ;)
>
> How about
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> ...
> The best thing about a wiki is that anyone can edit it[1]. Having to
> check with others first would, in my opinion, just hinder contributions.
>
> Reverts are much easier to do than edits ;)
How about tentative or provisional edits--changes that perhaps show up
befo
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 08:11:34PM +0100, Brian wrote:
I think MoinMoin does allow that, so those who want discussion can set
it up and sit back and talk.
A MoinMoin instance that I used to be involved with in the past had
automatic Discussion links on all pages, possibly via a plugin.
The
On Fri 24 Apr 2020 at 14:13:49 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 12:40:56 PM Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 24 Apr 2020 at 08:24:44 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:59:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > On Jo, 23 apr 20, 18:43:25, Brian wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 12:40:56 PM Brian wrote:
> On Fri 24 Apr 2020 at 08:24:44 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:59:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Jo, 23 apr 20, 18:43:25, Brian wrote:
> > > > Does MoinMoin even allow for Discussion pages in an easy way?
>
On Fri 24 Apr 2020 at 08:24:44 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:59:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 23 apr 20, 18:43:25, Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > Discourse would provide a single point of contact for wiki discussion.
> > > That's a step up on what we have at pr
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:59:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 23 apr 20, 18:43:25, Brian wrote:
> >
> > Discourse would provide a single point of contact for wiki discussion.
> > That's a step up on what we have at present and is (I assume) very easy
> > to implement.
> >
> > Does Moin
On Jo, 23 apr 20, 18:43:25, Brian wrote:
>
> Discourse would provide a single point of contact for wiki discussion.
> That's a step up on what we have at present and is (I assume) very easy
> to implement.
>
> Does MoinMoin even allow for Discussion pages in an easy way?
It's easy to add. The FA
On 23.04.20 21:24, deloptes wrote:
(...)
While there are good articles on the debian wiki, there are also bad once
and if you are not familiar with linux and debian, you never know what you
are dealing with. There are also many not well maintained or outdated (and
don't ask for examples please).
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> [citation needed]
>
> Now irony aside: manipulation efforts are to be expected on high
> visibility sites like Wikipedia. I think that, given the constraints,
> it's doing a pretty good job nevertheless.
>
> If you pick anything up on the internet, don't swallow it righ
On Thu 23 Apr 2020 at 08:29:46 (+0200), deloptes wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > 1. Going from thinking to knowing. Even assuming they're well-informed,
> > it may be worth checking with other people running different systems
> > about what's wrong, and what the new text should say.
> >
> > 2.
On Thu 23 Apr 2020 at 14:24:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 02:56:36PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > This looks very much like "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" models.
> >
> > In my opinion a wiki is much better suited for the bazaar model [...]
>
> I think you ar
On Wed 22 Apr 2020 at 17:44:00 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 21 Apr 2020 at 20:07:55 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 21 Apr 2020 at 11:18:14 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:35:00PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > I don't know what the writer of those
On Thu 23 Apr 2020 at 10:21:57 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 08:07:55PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > I do not have a TODO list, but pushing all wiki issues onto debian-www
> > probably wasn't the best of ideas. It seems to me that discourse would
> > be a good place to put th
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 02:56:36PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> This looks very much like "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" models.
>
> In my opinion a wiki is much better suited for the bazaar model [...]
I think you are right, in principle. That said, I don't believe you'll
get as outstanding a
On Mi, 22 apr 20, 17:44:00, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 21 Apr 2020 at 20:07:55 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> >
> > At the same time, what is the point of discusssion? A user thinks a
> > technical point on the wiki is wrong; they know it is wrong; they change
> > it. Where's the problem?
>
> 1. Goin
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 08:07:55PM +0100, Brian wrote:
I do not have a TODO list, but pushing all wiki issues onto debian-www
probably wasn't the best of ideas. It seems to me that discourse would
be a good place to put them.
I think the mistake was trying to drive discussion about the wiki *aw
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 08:29:46AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > 1. Going from thinking to knowing. Even assuming they're well-informed,
> > it may be worth checking with other people running different systems
> > about what's wrong, and what the new text should say.
> >
> >
David Wright wrote:
> 1. Going from thinking to knowing. Even assuming they're well-informed,
> it may be worth checking with other people running different systems
> about what's wrong, and what the new text should say.
>
> 2. Pages often need more than just piecemeal corrections: they may
> nee
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- Nate
--
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possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
Web: https://www.n0nb.us
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On Tue 21 Apr 2020 at 20:07:55 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Tue 21 Apr 2020 at 11:18:14 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:35:00PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > I don't know what the writer of those two sentences meant by
> > > structure, but I specifically mentioned
On Tue 21 Apr 2020 at 11:18:14 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:35:00PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > I don't know what the writer of those two sentences meant by
> > structure, but I specifically mentioned the Discussion page
> > (≡ Wikipedia's Talk page) which I think
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:35:00PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
I don't know what the writer of those two sentences meant by
structure, but I specifically mentioned the Discussion page
(≡ Wikipedia's Talk page) which I think is an important
factor in improving content.
At some point a long time a
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:35:00PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
[...]
> That's why I wrote "curated". There are some dedicated people working
> on their wiki. Look at their News or Statistics pages.
This is it, I think. We as geeks te
Ihor Antonov wrote:
> As a former Arch user I second that opinion. The wiki is better
> structured, has better contents and is easy to edit anyway. Archlinux wiki
> is the primary, if not the only, source of the documentation, so all the
> effort is concentrated there.
>
I can second that - for
On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 23:05:54 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:33:37 -0500
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> > > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > about Debian on non-
I am not sure why we are discussing this is in a discourse thread, but what
the heck.
>
> In my experience, the content of the Arch wiki is ofter far superior to
> ours, not just the organization and structure.
>
> ...
>
> > So they have different philosophies. Perhaps Debian puts more effort
>
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:33:37 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other one
> > > being the Arch'
On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other one
> > being the Arch's wiki (significantly better than Debian's).
>
> Everyone loves the Arch
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
...
> about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like StackExchange), the other one
> being the Arch's wiki (significantly better than Debian's).
Everyone loves the Arch wiki - I've long wondered why it's so much
better than ours. Do they jus
On Sunday, 12 Apr 2020 at 10:58, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> It's second-class, at best. I have to suffer from it in another context.
third class or worse. we have tried and tested mechanisms (email and
usenet), both of which are significantly better. I also have to use it
in another context and I
On Tue 14 Apr 2020 at 18:15:16 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 apr 20, 09:49:16, Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > To me "may or may not be a replacemnt" and "would be better of" are
> > > very far away from "I propose to replace X with Y".
> >
> > It is als
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 12:11:24 AM Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 08:14:22AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I had to look up Neil McGovern to find out what "status" he has in the
> > Debian organization. IIUC, he was the DPL (I guess I learned an
> > acronym) i
On Ma, 14 apr 20, 13:34:30, John Hasler wrote:
> Brad writes:
> > I /thought/ Discourse was a service similar to, say, google groups.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_(software)
>
> The company behind it offers such a service. I would be appalled if
> Debian made use of it.
Debian is
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:34:30 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
Hello John,
>The company behind it offers such a service. I would be appalled if
>Debian made use of it.
TBH, if Debian wish to offload some of the 'grunt work' I'd have no
issue with that. Of course, the supplier's ToS would have to be
s
Hello,
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 08:14:22AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I had to look up Neil McGovern to find out what "status" he has in the Debian
> organization. IIUC, he was the DPL (I guess I learned an acronym) in
> something like 2015, and he may now be the executive director of GN
Brad writes:
> I /thought/ Discourse was a service similar to, say, google groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_(software)
The company behind it offers such a service. I would be appalled if
Debian made use of it.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:01:44 -0500 John Hasler wrote:
>> Surely the Discourse server would be under direct Debian control. I was
> TBH, I 'm not certain. I /thought/ Discourse was a service similar
> to, say, google groups. Of course, if it's software, then yes, it
> cou
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:01:44 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
Hello John,
>Surely the Discourse server would be under direct Debian control. I was
TBH, I 'm not certain. I /thought/ Discourse was a service similar to,
say, google groups. Of course, if it's software, then yes, it could be
hosted anyw
Brad writes:
> ...it wouldn't be Discourse. It'd be a discourse variant,
The patch adding the ability to disable the features in question would
be sent upstream, of course.
> It'd be a discourse variant, a fork, that somebody would have to host
> elsewhere. Which could defeat one of the purpose
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:25:59 -0400
Carl Fink wrote:
Hello Carl,
>Actually, since Discourse is Open Source, yes, it can.
>Not necessarily easily, but it can.
Point taken, *but*.
...it wouldn't be Discourse
It'd be a discourse variant, a fork, that somebody would have to host
elsewhere. Wh
On Ma, 14 apr 20, 10:35:57, John Hasler wrote:
> Dan Ritter writes:
> >There's this general problem: when you place incentives, even
> > {etc.}
>
> Brad writes:
> > Despite my relative maturity (read: I'm old), I've fallen prey to this
> > myself, on occasion.
>
> Likewise.
Guilty :)
https://gr
Dan Ritter writes:
>There's this general problem: when you place incentives, even
> {etc.}
Brad writes:
> Despite my relative maturity (read: I'm old), I've fallen prey to this
> myself, on occasion.
Likewise.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On 4/14/20 10:28 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 06:54:19 -0700
Peter Ehlert wrote:
Hello Peter,
can that "feature" be removed?
Only by lobotomising/killing the person.
Oh, you mean at discourse? :-)
Apparently not. :-(
Actually, since Discourse is Open Source, yes, it can.
On Ma, 14 apr 20, 09:49:16, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > To me "may or may not be a replacemnt" and "would be better of" are
> > very far away from "I propose to replace X with Y".
>
> It is also rather distant from "Nobody is proposing replacing
> debian-user with Dis
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 06:54:19 -0700
Peter Ehlert wrote:
Hello Peter,
>can that "feature" be removed?
Only by lobotomising/killing the person.
Oh, you mean at discourse? :-)
Apparently not. :-(
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever im
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:38:55 -0400
Dan Ritter wrote:
Hello Dan,
>There's this general problem: when you place incentives, even
{etc.}
Despite my relative maturity (read: I'm old), I've fallen prey to this
myself, on occasion.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 3:45 AM Reco wrote:
> [1] came to my attention today. To quote relevant parts:
>
> So, thoughts, options?
>
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html
>
-1 to newfangled fol-de-rol
--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintag
On Apr 14, 2020, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:21:14 -0400
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> Hello Dan,
>
> >Mine actually says "tested only in Lynx, if it doesn't look right in
> >your preferred CLI browser, let me know" :)
>
> Which is fine. It differs from "Works best in" because y
On 4/14/20 6:38 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:58:12 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
My current Trust Level: Totally Untrustworthy.
Until you've posted, and your initial post(s) have been proved to be
acceptable (IOW, not offensive, off topic, spam.), yep.
So
Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:58:12 - (UTC)
> Curt wrote:
>
> >My current Trust Level: Totally Untrustworthy.
>
> Until you've posted, and your initial post(s) have been proved to be
> acceptable (IOW, not offensive, off topic, spam.), yep.
>
> >Some Discourse "badges":
>
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 08:14:22AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 05:56:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2020, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Ma, 14 apr 20, 08:19:50, Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > > It doesn't ma
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:21:14 -0400
Dan Purgert wrote:
Hello Dan,
>Mine actually says "tested only in Lynx, if it doesn't look right in
>your preferred CLI browser, let me know" :)
Which is fine. It differs from "Works best in" because you state
you're prepared to do things to improve your
On Apr 14, 2020, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:52:48 -0400
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> Hello Dan,
>
> >"Works best with Internet Explorer" :D
>
> That sort of statement on a web site is coming back. :-(
Mine actually says "tested only in Lynx, if it doesn't look right in
your pref
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 05:56:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2020, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 14 apr 20, 08:19:50, Curt wrote:
> > > On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > It doesn't matter much as nobody is proposing to replace debian-user
> > > > with Discourse.
> > >
> >
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:24:14 +0200
Sven Hartge wrote:
Hello Sven,
>> On 2020-04-13, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>> There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and
>>> usenet newsgroups. They worked well, for the most part.
>> I'm using one at this very moment.
>Same here, read
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:46:39 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Hello Andrei,
>To me "may or may not be a replacemnt" and "would be better of" are
>very far away from "I propose to replace X with Y"
The two former are clearly a precursor to the latter. Obviously,
viability has to be assessed, hence t
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:52:48 -0400
Dan Purgert wrote:
Hello Dan,
>"Works best with Internet Explorer" :D
That sort of statement on a web site is coming back. :-(
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Words as weap
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:58:12 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>Color me stupid but I mosied over to the test site and couldn't figure
>out how to post. Maybe you gotta sign up (that must be it).
It is just that.
>My current Trust Level: Totally Untrustworthy.
Until you've posted, and your
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:57:50 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>As Brian P. has already sort of implied, some might find it hard to
>believe in the total sincerity of a change to Discourse for debian-user
>(a community of users for users by users) in the name of inclusiveness
Well, quite. If
On Tue 14 Apr 2020 at 10:19:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 apr 20, 20:30:45, Brian wrote:
>
> > A similar, less constrictive, idea has been tried before
> >
> > http://shapado.debian.net/
> >
> > and has failed miserably.
>
> Sadly this yet another instance where I end up findin
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-13, Brad Rogers wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:33:13 - (UTC) Curt wrote:
>>> There could be a channel to connect the pools
>>
>> There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and usenet
>> newsgroups. They worked well, for the most part.
> I'm u
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 apr 20, 22:38:11, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Same example from my circle of friends and aquaintances:
>>
>> - some use WhatsApp
>> - some use Facebook
>> - some use Mail (like me)
> https://xkcd.com/1782/
Yes.
S!
--
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
On Apr 14, 2020, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 apr 20, 08:19:50, Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > It doesn't matter much as nobody is proposing to replace debian-user
> > > with Discourse.
> >
> > Nobody but Neil McGovern himself.
> >
> > https://lists.debian.
On Apr 13, 2020, John Hasler wrote:
> Kenneth Parker writes:
> > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the
> > "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there.
>
> Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it
> would work for posting, though.
>
On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html
>> What about the mailing lists?
>>This may or may not be a replacement for any particular list.
>> Be specific!
>>Ok... I think debian-user, debian-vote and possibly debian-project
On 2020-04-13, Tom Dial wrote:
>
> 3. I also know nothing about Discourse. Although the remarks so far in
> the thread don't particularly make me want to use it, I don't find the
> idea entirely abhorrent.
Color me stupid but I mosied over to the test site and couldn't figure
out how to post. May
On Ma, 14 apr 20, 08:19:50, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't matter much as nobody is proposing to replace debian-user
> > with Discourse.
>
> Nobody but Neil McGovern himself.
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html
>
> What abou
On 2020-04-14, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> It doesn't matter much as nobody is proposing to replace debian-user
> with Discourse.
>
Nobody but Neil McGovern himself.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html
What about the mailing lists?
This may or may not be a replaceme
On Ma, 14 apr 20, 07:57:50, Curt wrote:
>
> As Brian P. has already sort of implied, some might find it hard to
> believe in the total sincerity of a change to Discourse for debian-user
> (a community of users for users by users) in the name of inclusiveness
> and respectfulness (dixit Steve M.) t
On 2020-04-13, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:33:13 - (UTC)
> Curt wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
>>There could be a channel to connect the pools
>
> There have, in the past existed gateways between mailing lists and usenet
> newsgroups. They worked well, for the most part.
I'm usin
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 22:38:11, Sven Hartge wrote:
>
> Same example from my circle of friends and aquaintances:
>
> - some use WhatsApp
> - some use Facebook
> - some use Mail (like me)
https://xkcd.com/1782/
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Lu, 13 apr 20, 20:30:45, Brian wrote:
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> If the proposer and supporters of the idea that debian-user would be
> be better off in Discourse were prepared to engage here, we might have
> a better understanding of the intention. I fear such engagement will
> be conspicuous by its absence.
It doe
Kenneth Parker writes:
> But I want to test Discourse *with* Javascript, so that I understand
> the difference.
I just tried it with JS. Better without.
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:44 PM John Hasler wrote:
> Kenneth Parker writes:
> > On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the
> > "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there.
>
> Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it
> would work for pos
Kenneth Parker writes:
> On a Laptop of mine, I have an old version of Firefox, with the
> "NoScript" add-on. I wonder how it would work there.
Works ok for a casual test. I have no acount so I have no idea how it
would work for posting, though.
"Works best with Javascript" could turn into "Req
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:15 PM Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 06:09:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On the contrary, it is different and requires a modern Web browser
> (how
> > > > does the non-GUI user participate since it is noted that an email
> user
> > > > is a distant second-class
On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>> [...]
> > TS was basically *required* while in a big engagement though. If you
> > weren't on TS, you weren't in the raid / fleet / whatever the game at
> > hand called it.
>
> I think the TS/Mumble vs. Forum comparison is flawed here,
* On 2020 13 Apr 15:27 -0500, Sven Hartge wrote:
> What I am saying here is that by having multiple channels of
> communication you naturally get different groups of people in them which
> tend to drift apart sooner or later, because each group isn't
> represented in the other media. And then you g
On 4/12/20 22:36, Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:47:52 -0700
> Ihor Antonov wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:39:43 PM PDT John Hasler wrote:
>>> I note that Discourse is not in the Debian archive.
>>>
>>> Not that it matters, but I certainly won't use Discourse and if most
>>>
Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, Sven Hartge wrote:
And I've also witnissed this in other contexts, be it in an
Enterprise setup (where one group flocks to Confluence and the
other stay in the mailinglist) or a MMO
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