Hallo,
* Erwan David [Wed, Dec 03 2014, 04:13:14PM]:
> > As explained several times on this ML, depending against libsystemd0
> > package doesn't mean anything about requiring systemd to be used as
> > PID1 or not. Even Ian's GR was not taking the "I don't want any systemd
> > package on my machine
On 05/12/14 18:19, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 05 December 2014 16:19:08 Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>> On 5 December 2014 at 11:45, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>> [ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
>>> go uncorrected... ]
>>
>> Me too...
>>
>>> Spout crap if you like
On Friday 05 December 2014 16:19:08 Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> On 5 December 2014 at 11:45, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > [ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
> > go uncorrected... ]
>
> Me too...
>
> > Spout crap if you like (but please do it elsewhere), but don't put
On 5 December 2014 at 11:45, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> [ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
> go uncorrected... ]
Me too...
> Spout crap if you like (but please do it elsewhere), but don't put
> words into Joey's mouth. As he later clarified in
> http://joeyh.nam
[ Apologies to others for maybe prolonging this, but I can't let this
go uncorrected... ]
Thiago wrote:
>>> Jessie isn't Debian.
>>
>> So you say. Others have a different opinion.
>
>Absolutely, it is just an opinion, I know.
>
>Also, it seems to be Joey's opinion too: "It's become abundantly cl
On 12/05/2014 04:44 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-12-05, Buntunub wrote:
And so it comes full circle. This is why there is a need for a Debian fork.
/I/ don't have to do any of those things. You don't either. The good folks
at Devuan will take care of all that for you.
Fine then go fork yourselve
On 2014-12-05, Buntunub wrote:
>
> And so it comes full circle. This is why there is a need for a Debian fork.
> /I/ don't have to do any of those things. You don't either. The good folks
> at Devuan will take care of all that for you.
>
Fine then go fork yourselves with a Devuan.
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Laurent Bigonville-5 wrote
> Le Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:18:36 +0100,
> Martin Steigerwald <
> Martin@
> > a écrit :
>
>> Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
>> > Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
>> > > Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud O
>> Jessie isn't Debian.
>
> So you say. Others have a different opinion.
Absolutely, it is just an opinion, I know.
Also, it seems to be Joey's opinion too: "It's become abundantly clear
that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996."
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/1
On 12/03/2014 07:13 AM, Erwan David wrote:
As explained several times on this ML, depending against libsystemd0
package doesn't mean anything about requiring systemd to be used as
PID1 or not. Even Ian's GR was not taking the "I don't want any systemd
package on my machine" use case into account
On 12/03/2014 04:18 PM, Märk Owen wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100
maderios wrote:
On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining Devuan... lol
I've no problem with systemd (Sid), it w
On 3 December 2014 at 21:19, Martin Read wrote:
> On 03/12/14 21:52, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>>
>> I'm using `GRSecurity` with Debian in prod and it doesn't work with
>> `systemd`.
>>
>> I NEED `sysvinit-core` (or upstart) and there is no plans to deploy
>> `systemd` at my company's public data cen
On 03/12/14 21:52, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
I'm using `GRSecurity` with Debian in prod and it doesn't work with `systemd`.
I NEED `sysvinit-core` (or upstart) and there is no plans to deploy
`systemd` at my company's public data center. Since it [systemd]
doesn't work here.
If `systemd` gets fixe
On 3 December 2014 at 19:18, Märk Owen wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100
> maderios wrote:
>
>> On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>>
>> > Jessie isn't Debian.
>> >
>> > Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
>> > joining Devuan... lol
>> >
>> I'v
Hi Madeiros!
I'm also using `systemd`, I'm working to use Enlightenment with
Wayland (to kick Xorg off) and, it depends on `systemd`.
I just don't think that it is wise to put all of our eggs into the same basket.
This `systemd` being pushed everywhere looks like a huge monoculture,
which is ver
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 21:50:05 +0100
maderios wrote:
> On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>
> > Jessie isn't Debian.
> >
> > Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
> > joining Devuan... lol
> >
> I've no problem with systemd (Sid), it works fine). I dont und
On 03/12/14 19:37, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Debian/Devuan WILL NEED an `udev` alternative to keep `sysinit-core` working.
Perhaps. On the other hand, they might only need an alternative
implementation of the user-space glue that makes kdbus work.
Devuan will need something like `eudev` to suc
On 12/03/2014 08:37 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
Jessie isn't Debian.
Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining Devuan... lol
I've no problem with systemd (Sid), it works fine). I dont understand
why some people complain about systemd.
Devuan is not Mint or Ubun
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:37:02 -0200
Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> Sooner or later, there will be no more `sysvinit-core`, `upstart` or
> whatever, because `systemd` guys engulfed `udev` and they are change
> it to make sure it will only work with systemd = PID1, this sucks,
Very likely, Jēmuzu, and the
On 2 December 2014 at 19:22, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote:
>> It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
>> systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
>> this way.
>
> # apt-get install upstart
>
>
> As explained several times on this ML, depending against libsystemd0
> package doesn't mean anything about requiring systemd to be used as
> PID1 or not. Even Ian's GR was not taking the "I don't want any systemd
> package on my machine" use case into account you know.
Why focus on PID1 ? As
Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 12:39:26 schrieb Laurent Bigonville:
> Le Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:18:36 +0100,
>
> Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> > Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
> > > Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> > > > Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014
Le Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:18:36 +0100,
Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
> > Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> > > Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
> > >> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
> >
Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David:
> Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> > Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
> >> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
> >>
> >> Aaron Toponce wrote:
> It's a waste. They shouldn't have left.
Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
>> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
>>
>> Aaron Toponce wrote:
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user but I diskl
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:47:38PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> Another way to look at it is "forward planning for the release after Jessie,
> when systemd may well become compulsory..."
Most would call that FUD.
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Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
>
> Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > > It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
> > > systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
> > > this way.
> >
>
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700
Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
> > systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
> > this way.
> # apt-get install upstart
> # apt-get install sysvinit-core
> # apt-get insta
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote:
> It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
> systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
> this way.
# apt-get install upstart
# apt-get install sysvinit-core
# apt-get install openrc
No
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:47:19 +0100
maderios wrote:
> Hi guys
> Not for me but interesting.
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MDQ
It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
systemd as I'm only an end user
On 12/02/2014 04:47 AM, maderios wrote:
Hi guys
Not for me but interesting.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MDQ
"# More about the vision
This is just a start, as bold as it sounds to call it fork, at a
process that will unfold in time and involve more people, first to
im
This thread is off topic for -user. If you want to discuss this further,
please use
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic.
If you want more information about systemd, see https://wiki.debian.org/systemd.
If you want to avoid using systemd, simply don't install the
Florent Peterschmitt wrote:
Le 21/10/2014 18:46, Peter Nieman a écrit :
On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
replacement of something I never had a problem with.
But even t
On 21 October 2014 19:18, Florent Peterschmitt wrote:
> Le 21/10/2014 18:46, Peter Nieman a écrit :
>> On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
>>> What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
>>
>> I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
>> replacement of somethin
Le 21/10/2014 18:46, Peter Nieman a écrit :
> On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
>> What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
>
> I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
> replacement of something I never had a problem with.
> But even though I don't have
On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
replacement of something I never had a problem with.
But even though I don't have cups, I can't get rid of libcups2. If I try
to remov
On 10/21/2014 07:06 AM, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 21/10/14 00:48, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>> If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
>>
>> systemd
>> dbus
>> pam
>> gnome
>>
>> And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
>
> As far as I am concerned, you can add cups and a few other things to this
> list, t
On 10/21/2014 12:39 PM, st wrote:
goli...@riseup.net wrote:
Just in case you haven't seen this elsewhere:
http://debianfork.org/
Hi
Fork comes from the same guy
Original info (french, sorry)
https://linuxfr.org/users/almin/journaux/un-fork-de-debian-a-cause-de-systemd
Approximate translatio
On 21/10/14 00:48, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
systemd
dbus
pam
gnome
And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
As far as I am concerned, you can add cups and a few other things to
this list, too. And the word "udev" doesn't have alltogether positive
connotations
goli...@riseup.net wrote:
Just in case you haven't seen this elsewhere:
http://debianfork.org/
Thanks a lot, first time I knew I'm not the only long-bearded SA
with an attitude.
All y'all going to fork, I salute you.
--
Best nightdreams.
Serge Tiunov, "Do you reall
Me too Jerry...
I'm fine with PAM, I use pam-automount, pam-sssd, pam-nss, and a few other
things... My only intention was to point the other side of this
"spectrum"... I'm seeing that Slackware is there, far away from Debian (and
happy)... And now Debian is getting too close to RedHat (never like
On 10/20/2014 6:48 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
>
> systemd
> dbus
> pam
> gnome
>
> And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
>
> I'm sure that there is room for a new distro, that will sit in the
> middle of Debian 7 and Slackware... ;-)
>
> Cheers!
>
I ha
If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
systemd
dbus
pam
gnome
And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
I'm sure that there is room for a new distro, that will sit in the middle
of Debian 7 and Slackware... ;-)
Cheers!
On 19 October 2014 21:20, wrote:
> Just in case you haven't seen this elsewhe
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