Re: Debian and FSF docs

2021-12-11 Thread tomas
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 09:46:58AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > It's not just yellow press. The American approach to any public issue is to > turn it into a personal contest between individuals. That's for one reason > only: so we can ignore the real larger issue, and make sure we neve

Re: Debian and FSF docs

2021-12-11 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 1:39 AM wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:09:39PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 6:40 PM Stefan Monnier > > wrote: > > [...] > .. > > That I agree with. And it mirrors the earlier FSF/linux-kernel "labeling" > > friction. But I never saw tha

Re: Debian and FSF docs

2021-12-10 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:09:39PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 6:40 PM Stefan Monnier > wrote: [...] > > Both side have (and will) adjust their acts based on practical > > considerations, so fundamental disagreements on some details *can* be > > overcome if necessary.

Re: Debian and FSF docs

2021-12-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 6:40 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Well the difference in views between the two is different at a > fundamental > > level. So neither side accepts the others' view as fundamentally > compatible > > on the main issue: what is free software, of any species? > > Both side have (

Re: Debian and FSF docs

2021-12-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 12:01 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > I find this state of affair rather sad and am disappointed by both > >> > Debian and the FSF for not finding a compromise. It ends up promoting > >> > the use of the non-free repository, which I think neither project > wants. > > It's _

Re: Debian and FSF docs (was: Man pages for gcc)

2021-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 dec 21, 17:17:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:41:01PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > At the very least Debian could split non-free into sections or add more > > areas (non-free firmware being another obvious candidate for splitting > > out). > > > > Do w

Re: Debian and FSF docs (was: Man pages for gcc)

2021-12-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:41:01PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 31 oct 21, 17:37:10, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > This is because GNU releases their documentation under a different license > > > than their source code. And Debian considers the GNU documentation > > > license to be non-free

Re: Debian and FSF docs (was: Man pages for gcc)

2021-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 31 oct 21, 17:37:10, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > This is because GNU releases their documentation under a different license > > than their source code. And Debian considers the GNU documentation > > license to be non-free (rightly so, because it prohibits distributing > > modified versions).