On Ma, 06 mai 14, 21:20:29, Brian wrote:
>
> The Debian Fairy has waved her magic wand:
>
>tasksel remove
>
> Followed by
>
>apt-get --purge autoremove
This will most probably not restore your system to its previous state
due to circular Depends/Recommends/Suggests, especially for th
On Ma, 06 mai 14, 17:33:56, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 07:54 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > I want a new "task-jwm-desktop" to be written.
>
> It might make sense to provide xfce4-terminal or roxterm for such a
> JWM meta-package, but many people perhaps think tha
On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 09:20:29PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 06 May 2014 at 07:54:58 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> > This post is being composed well after a great tree of responses to OP
> > have accumulated. In these, as well as in other posts about DE in
> > Debian I have seen mentioned th
On Tue 06 May 2014 at 07:54:58 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> This post is being composed well after a great tree of responses to OP
> have accumulated. In these, as well as in other posts about DE in
> Debian I have seen mentioned the JWM environment. It is interesting to
> me, but I am aware that
On 20140506_1820+0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 17:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I don't want to decide what "sane" default software for JWM usage could
> > be. Some people want to get something close to a bloated DE, other's
> > want to be closer to a tiling window manager w
On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 17:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I don't want to decide what "sane" default software for JWM usage could
> be. Some people want to get something close to a bloated DE, other's
> want to be closer to a tiling window manager when using JWM.
PPS: I want to get something in the
On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 17:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 07:54 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > I want a new "task-jwm-desktop" to be written.
>
> JWM isn't a desktop environment, it's a window manager only. To provide
> such a meta package for JWM would be more
Hi Paul,
On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 07:54 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I want a new "task-jwm-desktop" to be written.
JWM isn't a desktop environment, it's a window manager only. To provide
such a meta package for JWM would be more controversy, than it already
is for Xfce. For example, Xfce has got i
On 20140502_1155+0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
> >
> > What I am wondering, is whether the Debian 7.5 installation disks, include
> > the option during the installation process, for the user to select which
> > desktop environment(s) the user wants to
On 20140503_1219-0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>.snip.
> >
> > tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set
> > of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system,
> > like libreoffice and iceweasel.
>
> Those packages should be p
On Sun, 4 May 2014 11:41:12 -0700
Robert Holtzman wrote:
> I learn something every day. I always thought the office suite and
> browser were part of the base OS.
>
> Thanks for the enlightenment.
:-)
Well, that's certainly a goal Bill Gates is working to bring us closer
to, but we Linux peopl
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 03:10:36PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Robert Holtzman writes:
> > Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I
> > wrong?
>
> Why would you want an office suite and a graphical browser on a
> server?
Damn! I hadn't thought of that. You're right, of co
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 04:34:30AM +0100, Tom Furie wrote:
> On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:19:50PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > >
> > > tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set
> > > of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system,
> > > like lib
On Sb, 03 mai 14, 22:17:22, Slavko wrote:
>
> Why there is not a option to allow to add nonfree repo in installer and
> thus allow to load necessary drivers in early stage of the installation?
> Perhaps only in expert mode... Yes, this can expect some manual reading
> to find this solution (if ti
On Sunday 04 May 2014 07:10:13 Bret Busby wrote:
> I did not know that a package could be downloaded and installed and run
> within a LIVE session, without Internet access
You can't download something without Internet access, be it for a Live session
or for installation on an HDD. But you can ce
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 02:28:32PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
One thing that I note - in using the xfce version of the Debian 7.4
amd64, I could not find (without entering the installation
component) a hard disk ustility, for partition work on the
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:19:50PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> >
> > tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set
> > of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system,
> > like libreoffice and iceweasel.
>
> Those packages should be part of an OS
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 18:08 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2014 20:54:17 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 11:38 -0700, Go Linux wrote:
> > > The tooltip says "add new empty item" ie a launcher. Presto! You
> > > can now add a custom launcher.
> >
> > I suspect
On Sat, 3 May 2014 12:19:50 -0700
Robert Holtzman wrote:
>.snip.
> >
> > tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a
> > set of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop
> > system, like libreoffice and iceweasel.
>
> Those package
On Sat, 03 May 2014 20:54:17 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 11:38 -0700, Go Linux wrote:
> > The tooltip says "add new empty item" ie a launcher. Presto! You
> > can now add a custom launcher.
>
> I suspect you and I misunderstood Steve.
>
> Perhaps Steve wants to get somet
On Sat, 3 May 2014 11:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
Go Linux wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 5/3/14, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 12:51 PM
On Saturday 03 May 2014 21:17:22 Slavko wrote:
> Why there is not a option to allow to add nonfree repo in installer and
> thus allow to load necessary drivers in early stage of the installation?
> Perhaps only in expert mode... Yes, this can expect some manual reading
> to find this solution (if t
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 15:10 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Robert Holtzman writes:
> > Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I
> > wrong?
>
> Why would you want an office suite and a graphical browser on a
> server?
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/task-xfce-desktop
It's
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 3 May 2014 18:29:47 +0100 Brian napísal:
> On Sat 03 May 2014 at 16:51:38 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > On Saturday 03 May 2014 16:26:08 Brian wrote:
> > > A novice wouldn't even know the hoops were at hand
> >
> > We all have our own ways of getting round it or living with it.
Robert Holtzman writes:
> Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I
> wrong?
Why would you want an office suite and a graphical browser on a
server?
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On Sat 03 May 2014 at 12:19:50 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>.snip.
Snipping of a post is fine but yours has produced one which is divorced
from its parent
https://lists.debian.org/20140503151104.06e9e...@orac.fil
You'll realise this makes it difficult to follow wha
.snip.
>
> tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set
> of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system,
> like libreoffice and iceweasel.
Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I wrong?
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On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 02:28:32PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
> >No wonder 'we' are not winning the desktop war. (sigh)
> >
>
> I dunno.
>
> I think this thing about "not winning the desktop war", may be an
> "urban myth", or, may otherwise be proven w
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 11:38 -0700, Go Linux wrote:
> The tooltip says "add new empty item" ie a launcher. Presto! You can
> now add a custom launcher.
I suspect you and I misunderstood Steve.
Perhaps Steve wants to get something like this:
Parent Launcher
|
|__Sub Launcher Menu 1
|
On Sat, 5/3/14, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 12:51 PM
On Sat, 3 May 2014 09:06:54 -0700
(PDT)
Go Linux
wrote:
> I'm not in XF
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 13:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2014 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
> Go Linux wrote:
>
>
> > I'm not in XFCE right now (on Squeeze/Gnome 2) but I'm pretty sure
> > that I have custom launchers within a launcher. Give it a try!
>
> I'd love to, but don't know how.
I
On Sat, 3 May 2014 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
Go Linux wrote:
> I'm not in XFCE right now (on Squeeze/Gnome 2) but I'm pretty sure
> that I have custom launchers within a launcher. Give it a try!
I'd love to, but don't know how. If I left-click on the top level
launcher, click properties, I get a li
On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 09:06 -0700, Go Linux wrote:
> I'm not in XFCE right now (on Squeeze/Gnome 2) but I'm pretty sure
> that I have custom launchers within a launcher.
I'm also not in Xfce4, but running Jwm at the moment.
There are launchers that provide a menu including launchers.
There's a di
On Sat 03 May 2014 at 16:51:38 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 03 May 2014 16:26:08 Brian wrote:
> > A novice wouldn't even know the hoops were at hand
>
> We all have our own ways of getting round it or living with it. None
> of these would be easy for a novice.
That is much too general
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Sb, 03 mai 14, 14:28:32, Bret Busby wrote:
One thing that I note - in using the xfce version of the Debian 7.4 amd64, I
could not find (without entering the installation component) a hard disk
ustility, for partition work on the hard drive (like gp
On Sat, 5/3/14, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 10:49 AM
On Sat, 3 May 2014 07:45:40 -0700
(PDT)
Go Linux
wrote
On Saturday 03 May 2014 16:26:08 Brian wrote:
> A novice wouldn't even know the hoops were at hand
For as long as Debian sticks to its recent policy of only free software in the
basic .iso, including in the installer, hoops or an old computer will be
necessary.
We all have our own ways of getti
On Sat, 3 May 2014 07:45:40 -0700 (PDT)
Go Linux wrote:
>
> On Sat, 5/3/14, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 8:14 AM
>
On Sat 03 May 2014 at 16:56:24 +0200, filip wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2014 15:31:52 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > I can
> > think of better ways of forcing experience on someone.
>
> I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm just sharing what works
> consistently for me.
I was not thinking in terms of
On Sat, 3 May 2014 15:31:52 +0100
Brian wrote:
> I can
> think of better ways of forcing experience on someone.
I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm just sharing what works
consistently for me.
You can do it in whatever way that makes you happy.
>
> The Xfce4 metapackage doesn't install a
On Sat, 5/3/14, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 8:14 AM
I LOVE, and sorely miss, Gnome2's use of
nested drawers in p
On Sat 03 May 2014 at 15:11:04 +0200, filip wrote:
> There are many places where an inexperienced user can become stuck. It's
> an opportunity to become an experienced user.
A user who has read the Release Notes and the Installation Manual and
who has correctly set up networking during an install
On Sat, 3 May 2014 14:28:32 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby wrote:
> Ah, if only GNOME 2 would still be available for the curent versions
> of operating systems, it would be supreme )?) .
Yes, it certainly would be. Why the Gnome people threw their success
down the drain and switch to a "hunt and guess"
On Sat, 3 May 2014 10:53:51 +0100
Brian wrote:
> If networking in d-i had been set up to use wifi the assumption breaks
> down as, without a DE, there is no connectivity for the booted system.
> This would most likely leave an inexperienced user completely stuck.
There are many places where an i
On Sat 03 May 2014 at 11:08:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I feel happy to continue using boot in te meaning in which wiktionary uses it.
I should have said:
Choosing a DE *after* booting d-i's kernel..
That should avoid having to look into the meaning of "booting".
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On Sat 03 May 2014 at 14:46:45 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 03/05/14 06:29, Brian wrote:
> >
> > Choosing a DE *after* booting d-i is not possible and, as far as I can
> > remember, there has never been such an option.
>
> It's not hard (tasksel), - but if the 'user' wants, they can. It's a
On Saturday 03 May 2014 10:40:28 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 02 mai 14, 22:13:02, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 02 May 2014 21:29:43 Brian wrote:
> > > Choosing a DE *after* booting d-i is not possible and, as far as I can
> > > remember, there has never been such an option.
> >
> > You and I
On Fri 02 May 2014 at 23:15:30 +0200, filip wrote:
> I never install the desktop environment from the iso installer.
> Just install the base system, and after the system had booted, and
> assuming the network is configured correctly just run aptitude, and go
> to
If networking in d-i had been set
On Vi, 02 mai 14, 22:13:02, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 02 May 2014 21:29:43 Brian wrote:
> >
> > Choosing a DE *after* booting d-i is not possible and, as far as I can
> > remember, there has never been such an option.
>
> You and I clearly mean different things by "booting". I have done it
>
On Sb, 03 mai 14, 14:28:32, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> One thing that I note - in using the xfce version of the Debian 7.4 amd64, I
> could not find (without entering the installation component) a hard disk
> ustility, for partition work on the hard drive (like gparted, I think it
> was, in GNOME 2 on
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
No wonder 'we' are not winning the desktop war. (sigh)
I dunno.
I think this thing about "not winning the desktop war", may be an "urban
myth", or, may otherwise be proven wrong.
With things like Windows 8, that I have found to be designed to prev
On 03/05/14 06:29, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 02 May 2014 at 13:30:07 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>> On Friday 02 May 2014 09:55:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
What I am wondering, is whether the Debian 7.5 installation disks,
include the option duri
On Fri 02 May 2014 at 22:13:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 02 May 2014 21:29:43 Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 02 May 2014 at 13:30:07 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 02 May 2014 09:55:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > > > What I am won
On Fri, 2 May 2014 15:58:00 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Also, in case it is needed, is an installable firmware version of
> Debian 7.5, available with CD/DVD ISO images available, and, if so,
> does that provide for choosing which desktop environment(s) to
> install?
The official DVD's d
On Friday 02 May 2014 21:29:43 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 02 May 2014 at 13:30:07 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 02 May 2014 09:55:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > > What I am wondering, is whether the Debian 7.5 installation disks,
> > > > inclu
On Fri 02 May 2014 at 13:30:07 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 02 May 2014 09:55:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > What I am wondering, is whether the Debian 7.5 installation disks,
> > > include the option during the installation process, for th
On Friday 02 May 2014 09:55:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
> > What I am wondering, is whether the Debian 7.5 installation disks,
> > include the option during the installation process, for the user to
> > select which desktop environment(s) the user wants
On Vi, 02 mai 14, 15:58:00, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> What I am wondering, is whether the Debian 7.5 installation disks, include
> the option during the installation process, for the user to select which
> desktop environment(s) the user wants to install.
Not unless you go to individual package selec
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Bret Busby wrote:
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 15:58:00
From: Bret Busby
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
Hello.
I have tried to install Debian 7.4 amd64 from the xfce live disk, and the
installation failed; it could not find two of t
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