> "JK" == Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JK> The supposed audience for Debian-{Lite,Desktop,MagazineCover,Whatever}
JK> will probably want X (and giving them fvwm2-95 isn't such a bad idea
JK> either.)
>From what I hear, the fvwm2-95 is hard to configure. I would
recommend Afterstep
On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote:
> On the other hand, fvwm, the old fvwm, is relatively easy to configure.
And since you'll have a fair idea of what applications are likely to be
installed (since you'll be packaging them all together on a cd or
whatever) you could even provide a pre-set-u
On Aug 7, Olaf Weber wrote
> One place where I can imagine that a small installation would be
> popular is on laptops. But for those to work well, you need (i) the
> apm package, and (ii) recompile the kernel to enable apm support.
Another area could be linux-ha, which is not ready yet.
But when
Lindsay Allen writes:
> In other words the space required in round figures on a cdrom is 12 Mb for
> the disk-i386 set plus 8Mb for my selection of packages, or 20 Mb. So
> with 98 Mb available the is 78 Mb free to add other things.
One place where I can imagine that a small installation would
-> Here are some ideas for the remaining 72 Mb:
->
-> The supposed audience for Debian-{Lite,Desktop,MagazineCover,Whatever}
-> will probably want X (and giving them fvwm2-95 isn't such a bad idea
-> either.)
I think fvwm2-95 will be a little too complicated to configure
for newbies (I
On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> To get a feel for this, I made up what seemed to be a comfortable working
> Debian and went through the excercise of creating it from a minimum set of
> packages. The working Debian was just on 40 Mb and it needed only 8 Mb
> of packages to produce th
To get a feel for this, I made up what seemed to be a comfortable working
Debian and went through the excercise of creating it from a minimum set of
packages. The working Debian was just on 40 Mb and it needed only 8 Mb
of packages to produce this, as most files came from base1_3.tgz.
In other
> "KG" == Kai Grossjohann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
KG> See Section 6 "Profile Screens".
Hmmm, that looks indeed promising. I'm looking forward to seeing that
:)
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> On 05 Aug 1997, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen said:
SSM> What kind of workstation are you setting up?
SSM> [ ] "normal" workstation
SSM> [ ] Word processor (lyx/latex/emacs ... )
SSM> [ ] X-terminal
SSM> [ ] ...
As I read this, the Deity project is developing something that has
this
> "GH" == Graham Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
GH> So that means that if I use a Debian-Lite install I can't ever upgrade
GH> to a full installation from there? I missed the original post, but
GH> keeping a dpkg/dselect around for the eventual upgrade to full Debian
GH> (which may never
> "w" == wb2oyc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
w> I wish that someone with the skills would put together a Linux
w> better suited to the single user environment where many (most?) of
w> us use our home systems. Free from all the hassles of permissions,
w> root privelege to do this or that, etc!
That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of those
commercial products where you have to pay for a full version of the
product.
If the name is to be changed at all, it should be 'complete' or
'universal'. I actually prefer to keep the current name unless research
shows that 'De
On Fri, Aug 01, 1997 at 05:29:13PM -0700, Travis Cole wrote:
> On 01-Aug-97 Paul Wade wrote:
> >A single CD that allowed a wide range of installation types should have a
> >powerful name.
> >
> >Debian Complete?
> >Debian Universal Linux?
> >Multiple Personality Debian? :)
>
> Take a look at Calda
On Fri, Aug 01, 1997 at 11:00:20AM +0100, Alec Clews wrote:
> There is obviously a desire to make a small, simple Debian and so I
> propose a project to make
> one available.
Do you mean small on the source media? I would think Debian
is a scalable as you want at installation.
hamish
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> "Robert" == Robert D Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Robert> I think this should be the main object of a smaller version
Robert> of debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation
Robert> loads up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted
Robert> se
On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote:
>
> That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of those
> commercial products where you have to pay for a full version of the
> product.
I do not like that name either (though I might have been among the first
to use it here.) mini-Debian
On Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:12:30 -0700, Jason Ish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In one of the first posts of this thread I suggested that it be aimed at
> single user systems will low resource software. ie) Get rid of all the
> server stuff, the user can install later if they want.
>
> Does this fit
On 15:18:49 "Robert D. Hilliard" wrote:
>
> I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
>debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
>up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server and
>network administration stuff.
>
>Bob
>
Man
In regards to the naming problem. Might it not be easier to decide
which packages are to go into which sub-distribution. Or maybe just
come up with a sentence describing each sub-distribution. Then define
the packages. And finally name each:
1) Single-user, minimal install that may be useful,
On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 15:18:49 "Robert D. Hilliard" wrote:
> >
> > I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
> >debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
> >up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and u
Possibly the need for "Debian Lite" would be lessened with completion
of a friendly dselect or replacement for dselect, that would present
some reasonable options.
My biggest worry is the multiplication of packages. Perhaps it is an
inevitable situation with the kind of distribution that Deb
Alan is absolutely right.
The base install will always include a dpkg/dselect tool. There are
certain components of base that are always necessary in order to provide a
maintainable and upgradable system. These will always need to be installed
and kept available.
The current packaging system alr
Hello ppl,
I have been (quitely) reading the Debian project thread and I was
wondering whether the following is possible.
Why do we have to limit ourselves to debian-lite or any such subset of
Debian?
Is it not possible to have some sort of pre-packaged configuration files,
that you load with
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, David M wrote:
>
> Also users can "backup" a certain working state of their sytems into a
> packaging configuration file wich could then be used to reinstall (add,
> delete, etc) to that particular configuration.
This is a great idea! Mind you, the only times I've had to do
Dear Carl,
> I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a Linux or Unix expert, but
> as an experienced software trainer and former network manager and
> customer support person, I hope I'd be able to contribute some
> experience with the thought processes of the non-expert.
Yes, please do. We ne
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, John F wrote:
> Couldn't dpkg generate a list of existing installed packages? Then a
> simple script could take that list and run dpkg -i on them.
dpkg --help:
dpkg --get-selections [ ...] get list of selections to stdout
dpkg --set-selections set packa
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Pierre Blanchet wrote:
>
> AC> OK. How about Debian-Desktop? (Debian-BBS, Debian-ISP etc)
How about Debian Does the Desktop :)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
George Bonser
Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight
is a waste of money also tell us t
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote:
>
> Alan is absolutely right.
>
> The base install will always include a dpkg/dselect tool. There are
> certain components of base that are always necessary in order to provide a
> maintainable and upgradable system. These will always need to be installed
> a
On Aug 02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 15:18:49 "Robert D. Hilliard" wrote:
> >
> > I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
> >debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
> >up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server
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George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The problem with that is that there are TOO MANY packages available and
> newbies end up getting into trouble by selecting additional stuff, hitting
> the conflict resolution screen and getting totally lost. A mini-De
On 3 Aug 1997, Graham Hughes wrote:
> So that means that if I use a Debian-Lite install I can't ever upgrade
> to a full installation from there?
NO! You most certainly WOULD be told about dselect and all the fine
offerings from the folks at Debian and could then launch dselect and
modify the
>On Fri, Aug 01, 1997 at 05:29:13PM -0700, Travis Cole wrote:
>> On 01-Aug-97 Paul Wade wrote:
>> >A single CD that allowed a wide range of installation types should have a
>> >powerful name.
>> >
>> >Debian Complete?
>> >Debian Universal Linux?
>> >Multiple Personality Debian? :)
>>
>> Take a loo
On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:02:55 +0200, Pierre Blanchet wrote:
How about they just get the damn base disks and then install from FTP?!?!?!
(Sorry, if you can't get to the net you don't count)
>"AC" == Alec Clews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> >> That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It
"AC" == Alec Clews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of
>> those commercial products where you have to pay for a full
>> version of the product.
AC> OK. How about Debian-Desktop? (Debian-BBS, Debian-ISP etc)
AC> Regards, Al
>
>That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of those
>commercial products where you have to pay for a full version of the
>product.
OK. How about Debian-Desktop? (Debian-BBS, Debian-ISP etc)
Regards,
Alec
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George Bonser writes:
> All you would do is answer a set of basic questions:
> Are you on a local network (LAN, most likely ethernet)?
> Do you have a dial up internet connection?
> Do you want a text-only system?
> etc.
> And a set of applications would be installed.
That is exactly what I had
Pierre Blanchet writes:
> How about Deb-One (it's sound like debian, but built for one
> special task, or just for one user) ?
I think that would tend to be interpreted as Debian number one.
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On 01-Aug-97 Paul Wade wrote:
>A single CD that allowed a wide range of installation types should have a
>powerful name.
>
>Debian Complete?
>Debian Universal Linux?
>Multiple Personality Debian? :)
>
>+
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
> Does this fit in somewhere.
>
> Jason
Would not work with what I have in mind for MY particular project since at
least a mail and small news service would be required but web service
would not be needed. I find it useful to have a POP3 server to read mail
Alec Clews wrote:
> Does anyone disagree with this? Are SPI happy to have this
> functionality
> in the Official Debian distribution? Does the SPI board have view on
> any
> of this?
In one of the first posts of this thread I suggested that it be aimed at
single user systems will low resource sof
Jason writes:
> If this project goes further I would like to be involved as I have been
> thinking about his for months.
So would I. The seul project seems to be heading in a direction I don't
want to go.
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>Does anyone disagree with this? Are SPI happy to have this functionality
>in the Official Debian distribution? Does the SPI board have view on any
>of this?
i'm only one of 200 developers. i don't have time to work in this
project myself, but mail me if i can help you with something. i'm
maintain
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Will Lowe wrote:
> Why not, rather than have "customized packages", which seems like a lot
> of duplication of work already done, have "customizer packages" ... an
> smail-config package that depends on smail.deb and does nothing but allow
> the user to choose between one o
> i.e. the only thing special about Debian-lite is that you don't get get
> much choice when you first install the system.
Exactly. You can ALWAYS slip in the CD and run dselect to grab all of the
packages and change anything you want. The smaller distribution would be
simply a way to get a kno
Fvwm95 is actually fvwm-2 which is more difficult to conmfigure than fvwm
was.
>
> I used to use fvwm95 before and I never understand how to configure it.
> (I am so stupid). I am now using afterstep. The configuration file is really
> clear and it is so beautiful...
>
>
> Franck
>
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
> > I don't see why any of this customized setup can't be done from dselect.
> > Just
>
> The problem with this is that I will have custom packages. My smail will
> be different than Debian's default smail, my f
On Aug 1, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote
> > There is obviously a desire to make a small, simple Debian and so I
> > propose a project to make
> > one available.
> >
> > +To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
> > a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD w
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> This seems to me to be worth while and yet be a very simple excercise if
> you overlook the fact that we can argue until the cows come home about
> what to include and exclude.
>
> 1) Build a Debian system as desired. (I built one this week with 30 Mb
>
>On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Alec Clews wrote:
>
>> +To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
>> a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD with other software
>
>I think should be better that the user installation option produces the
>Debian-Lite "installed system" i
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Alec Clews wrote:
> There is obviously a desire to make a small, simple Debian and so I
> propose a project to make
> one available.
>
> +To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
> a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD with other softw
>
>I agree, you need to keep it simple and small on installation yet give the
>admin the option of installing more stuff and reconfiguring things later.
>My goal would be to get a system up and running in one of a few KNOWN
>configurations. If they want to go on and break something from there,
>fi
> fvwm is well documented and there are a gazillion examples of
> configuration files that allow the user to customize their setup. THe
> GoodStuff button panel is very useful and a simple pager with four
> desktops is easilly done and easilly understood by the newbie reading the
> config files.
-> fvwm is well documented and there are a gazillion examples of
-> configuration files that allow the user to customize their setup. THe
-> GoodStuff button panel is very useful and a simple pager with four
-> desktops is easilly done and easilly understood by the newbie reading the
-> config fil
-> On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
->
-> > As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
-> > edition would be to have the guys working on the new dselect (sorry, I
can't
-> > remember the name) to have setup scenarios.
-> >
-> > I don't see why any of this
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Tan Wee Yeh wrote:
> That way, we can forgo the trouble of setting up a nice UI
> (additional work??) and at the same time can cater for beginners
> as well. We just have to ensure that the questions are not
> excessively complicated (like IP-masquarading??) that they
> will s
>
> That way, we can forgo the trouble of setting up a nice UI
> (additional work??) and at the same time can cater for beginners
> as well. We just have to ensure that the questions are not
> excessively complicated (like IP-masquarading??) that they
> will stump the starters and our suggested s
Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote,
:On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
:> What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
:> make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
:> be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Travis Cole wrote:
> >What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
> >make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
> >be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
> >choice X or no X with fvwm
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
> As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
> edition would be to have the guys working on the new dselect (sorry, I can't
> remember the name) to have setup scenarios.
>
> I don't see why any of this customized setup can't
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
>
>
> As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
> edition would be to have the guys working on the new dselect (sorry, I can't
> remember the name) to have setup scenarios.
I think this could be a pre dselect choice, since
> On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
>
> >
> > What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
> > make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
> > be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
> > choice X o
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
>
> What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
> make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
> be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
> choice X or no X with fvw
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On 31-Jul-97 George Bonser wrote:
>
>On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:
>
>>
>> I think would be a not good idea to have a OS been installed
>> without graphics interface nowadays. The great appeal of the others OS is
>> exactly their nic
Well, I have an application for a subset of debian. It would be a great
learning opportunity for me to learn more about building Debian packages,
etc. One of the things I need to do for it is configure it with some
changes to the default smail config.
One of the beauties on using Debian for th
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:
>
> I think would be a not good idea to have a OS been installed
> without graphics interface nowadays. The great appeal of the others OS is
> exactly their nice interface and trying to convince somebody, mainly a
> newbie, to change to
Alec Clews writes:
> If this is already a work in progress please let me know.
You might want to look at the seul project (http://www.seul.org/). They
are right now choosing between rpm and dpkg. They seem to be heading in
the direction of a totally new distribution which IMHO is a poor idea. I
This seems to me to be worth while and yet be a very simple excercise if
you overlook the fact that we can argue until the cows come home about
what to include and exclude.
1) Build a Debian system as desired. (I built one this week with 30 Mb
/usr and I could do a lot better.)
2) Use dp
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.BD/CNET/DTD/PIH wrote:
> Maybe It could have some restrain choices as with/without Xfree,
> latex...
I think would be a not good idea to have a OS been installed
without graphics interface nowadays. The great appeal of the others
Maybe It could have some restrain choices as with/without Xfree,
latex...
-> >wanting to do it with a Slackware type install. I have this idea that there
-> >could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user (home pc)
-> >work station. The user could choose this option in
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