Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-28 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Sat, May 28, 2022, 11:08 AM Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 5/28/22, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Brian wrote: > >> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye > :). > > > > Keith Bainbridge wrote: > >> Bookworm? > >> SID? > > > > In any case: Not Testing ! > >

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-28 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 5/28/22, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Brian wrote: >> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :). > > Keith Bainbridge wrote: >> Bookworm? >> SID? > > In any case: Not Testing ! > > Currently a zillion of packages get marked for autoremovial from Testing > becau

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Brian wrote: > > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :). Keith Bainbridge wrote: > Bookworm? > SID? In any case: Not Testing ! Currently a zillion of packages get marked for autoremovial from Testing because of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-28 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 24/5/22 23:23, Brian wrote: Hi, After my surrender to Jessie I've thought of moving on with Stretch. Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :). Bookworm? SID? -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugro...@gmail.com

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-27 Thread 황병희
Hellow Махно , Махно writes: > Hello. Just use i3. It is a tiling window manager designed for X11, > inspired by wmii and written in C.[5] It supports tiling, stacking, > and tabbing layouts, which it handles dynamically. Configuration is > achieved via plain text file and extending i3 is possib

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-25 Thread Махно
Hello. Just use i3. It is a tiling window manager designed for X11, inspired by wmii and written in C.[5] It supports tiling, stacking, and tabbing layouts, which it handles dynamically. Configuration is achieved via plain text file and extending i3 is possible using its Unix domain socket and JSON

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-25 Thread 황병희
Hellow didier, didier gaumet writes: > (... thanks ...) > In fact you did not install Debian on your Chromebook but you enabled > Debian inside Chrome OS on your Chromebook(1), right? In this case > Debian runs in a Chrome OS container not on the hardware? Your > screenshot seems to show a Chro

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-25 Thread didier gaumet
Le mercredi 25 mai 2022 à 08:50:05 UTC+2, 황병희 a écrit : > Antonino Saetta writes: > > > (... thanks ...) > > I thought that Debian is GNOME by default... > > > > Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...? > Hellow, i am beginner with Debian. I install Debian 11 Bullseye on >

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread 황병희
Antonino Saetta writes: > (... thanks ...) > I thought that Debian is GNOME by default... > > Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...? Hellow, i am beginner with Debian. I install Debian 11 Bullseye on Chromebook. But there is no Gnome desktop. I just launch each Linux app su

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 24 May 2022 13:27:29 +0200 Antonino Saetta wrote: > Hi, > > After my surrender to Jessie I've thought of moving on with Stretch. > > Currently I've installed it through the net, no problems at all. > > So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop > environment,

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 02:23:46PM +0100, Brian wrote: > apt install task-xfce-desktop > apt unstall take-gnome-desktop > apt unstall xfce4 > etc Freudian typos.

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Brian
On Tue 24 May 2022 at 13:27:29 +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote: > Hi, > > After my surrender to Jessie I've thought of moving on with Stretch. Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :). > Currently I've installed it through the net, no problems at all. > > So I was w

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 5/24/22 05:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 01:27:29PM +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote: So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*? uncheck that box, select any other Desktop you want, or None. by

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 5/24/22 04:53, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 24/5/22 7:27 pm, Antonino Saetta wrote: Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...? I use Mate.  It's closest to the old gnome so no fancy crap I am with you on that. BTW: the mate-desktop-environment-extras is a Great enhance

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 01:27:29PM +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote: > So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop > environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*? > > I thought that Debian is GNOME by default... *sigh* It's complicated. See, there's more than one De

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 24/5/22 7:27 pm, Antonino Saetta wrote: Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...? I use Mate.  It's closest to the old gnome so no fancy crap Jeremy OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Debian desktop environment

2022-05-24 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 01:27:29PM +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote: > Hi, > > After my surrender to Jessie I've thought of moving on with Stretch. > > Currently I've installed it through the net, no problems at all. > > So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop > environ

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-11-17 Thread Václav Ovsík
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 09:45:47AM -0700, pjw wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 06:01 AM, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > > > > Hi, Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most > > security... > > Apropos: > > Debian Moves To Non-Root X.Org Server By Default[1] I'm afraid only if st

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-11-17 Thread pjw
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 06:01 AM, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > > Hi, Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most > security... Apropos: Debian Moves To Non-Root X.Org Server By Default[1] Links: 1. http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/x-org-drm

Re: Debian DeskTop

2015-11-17 Thread moxalt
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:18:11 +1100, Tony wrote: > I have just installed Debian 8.2. How do I get the Desk Top to show on the > screen? On boot-up, the green Debian desk Top shows for a few seconds and The 'green Debian desktop' that you are describing is probably the GRUB background. That is not

Re: Debian DeskTop

2015-11-16 Thread Himanshu Shekhar
This response is written considering you as a complete newbie. So some parts may be boring to you. There are two cases : A. You have installed a desktop environment B. You have not installed any desktop environment and the console is the only interface. Try pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7 (try other function

Re: Debian DeskTop

2015-11-16 Thread David Christensen
On 11/16/2015 02:18 PM, Tony wrote: I have just installed Debian 8.2. How do I get the Desk Top to show on the screen? On boot-up, the green Debian desk Top shows for a few seconds and then the Terminal appears and I cant get to the Desk Top. Can you please let me know what to do? Is there anyt

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-29 Thread moxalt
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:01:09 +0100, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and > the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME > etc.)? They're all reasonably secure. Of course, if you want to narrow your

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread jonas hedman
On 15-10-27 14:01:09, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > > Hi, > Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and > the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME > etc.)? > What is your threat model? -- Jonas Hedman XMPP:n...@jabber

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 27 October 2015 13:01:09 Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > Hi, > Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and > the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE, > GNOME etc.)? Speaking personally, and we will all do that, and you will get a

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Tim McDonough
I agree with several other comments with regards to security not being necessarily related to a specific desktop environment. In my opinion I think the best security comes from using both a Linux distribution and a desktop environment that you (or the admin) is very familiar with and understand

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:01 +0100, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > Hi, > Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most > security and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian > users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)? Hand picking components and evaluating them on their own is probab

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
Security and privacy are not products. No software provides them as a finished product ready for consumption. Software is just a tool used in achieving either. One must also ask and answer: security against _what_?. The habits of the user are just as important, and very often they are the weake

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote: > > Hi, > Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most > security and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian > users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)? My opinion is that no one desktop environment is any more secure than the ne

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Himanshu Shekhar
I hope this discussion should continue, rather than conclude, as more views means more purity in idea. As far as security is concerned, it is the Debian OS which determines policies more than the DE. Also, I would like to categorize them as under: KDE : Heavy, high-end graphics, consumes resources

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

2015-10-27 Thread Michael Jones
I prefer xfce but why just comes down to preference, it feels cleaner, faster and simpler, but that's just me Only way to find out is to give them all a go (at least on livecd) Privacy is the same across all, although gnome3 has some extra gui for some preferences for wiping temp files i think, (

Re: debian desktop installation crashing

2013-05-23 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 02:03:36PM +0530, unni krishnan wrote: >Hi >My debain installation on lenovo laptop is crashing at random times. Logs >I can see in /var/log/message are :  >=== [cut] >May 23 13:42:48 debian kernel: [ 5186.471525] -

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 14:00 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: > I understand that most people don't like to adapt to new things and get > set in their ways -- but if we all did that, no progress would ever be > made. Yesno. I still use the same forks and knives as I used in my childhood, but in my child

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-12 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:09:19AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:58 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: > > So please lets stop the misinformation. > > GNOME3 eats much more resources. GNOME3 breaks every sane workflow for > artist. Of course it does, as I stated, Again, on an old

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-12 Thread Pete Orrall
>> So please lets stop the misinformation. > > Indeed. Let's hear about peoples' actual experiences. I've used Wheezy both on my Toshiba Tecra A8 and in a VM on a previous workstation. I was not impressed at all with Gnome3's requirement for graphic acceleration to just run the desktop. My lapto

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 08:18 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Joe wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:58:54 -0400 > > Stephen Allen wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:55:13AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > >>> > >>> GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has ma

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:58:54 -0400 > Stephen Allen wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:55:13AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >>> >>> GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has made >>> some people correspondingly upset. XFCE is fairly sim

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-12 Thread Joe
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:58:54 -0400 Stephen Allen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:55:13AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:33:04AM -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > > > GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has made > > some people correspondingly upset. XFCE i

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:58 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: > So please lets stop the misinformation. GNOME3 eats much more resources. GNOME3 breaks every sane workflow for artist. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact l

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-11 Thread Stephen Allen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:55:13AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:33:04AM -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has made > some people correspondingly upset. XFCE is fairly similar to > GNOME 2, and may suit those people better. In

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 13:07 -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > Yes, there it is : > > from : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy > > === > Packages & versions > > apt: 0.9.7 > kernel: Linux 3.2 > gcc: 4.7.1 > > Gnome 3.4, KDE 4.8, Xfce 4.8 > > libc: eglibc 2.13 > X Server: Xorg R7.7

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Guy Gold
Yes, there it is : from : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy === Packages & versions apt: 0.9.7 kernel: Linux 3.2 gcc: 4.7.1 Gnome 3.4, KDE 4.8, Xfce 4.8 libc: eglibc 2.13 X Server: Xorg R7.7 == On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Camaleón wrote: >

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:35:52 -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > Does that mean that future releases of Debian will no longer support > GNOME 2 ? Yes, I think so... since Wheezy and until Squeeze is supported. GNOME2 has been (or will be soon) deprecated/dead end from upstream GNOME project (the same it w

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 09:33 -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > On Fri,Aug 10 02:26:PM, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > However, I don't know whether you can really say "Debian+GNONE3". Debian > > is nothing without the packages. Gnome 3 is part of Debian. > > When was GNOME3 the default desktop for Debain ? (luc

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Guy Gold
On Fri,Aug 10 09:55:AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has made > some people correspondingly upset. XFCE is fairly similar to > GNOME 2, and may suit those people better. In particular, GNOME > 3 really wants 3D accelerated video. XFCE doesn't care much

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread John Hasler
Guy writes: > When was GNOME3 the default desktop for Debain ? Gnome was the default desktop for quite a while. It was assumed that Gnome3 would be the default for Wheezy but it turns out to be too large to fit on the first CD. Gnome3 will presumably be a choice in Tasksel. It would be possible,

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:33:04AM -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > On Fri,Aug 10 02:26:PM, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > However, I don't know whether you can really say "Debian+GNONE3". Debian > > is nothing without the packages. Gnome 3 is part of Debian. > > When was GNOME3 the default desktop for Debain

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Guy Gold
On Fri,Aug 10 02:26:PM, Darac Marjal wrote: > However, I don't know whether you can really say "Debian+GNONE3". Debian > is nothing without the packages. Gnome 3 is part of Debian. When was GNOME3 the default desktop for Debain ? (luckily , it was not in squeeze, which came with GNOME2 , I'm unni

Re: Debian desktop news

2012-08-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 03:08:50PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Is this [1] true? I welcome this. Partly. See http://lists.debian.org/jvu3q0$kgo$1...@dough.gmane.org and the ongoing thread. However, I don't know whether you can really say "Debian+GNONE3". Debian is nothing without the packages.

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 18:54, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:40:40PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:58, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Don't go directly from stable to unstable!! Too radical

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 22:48, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Don't go directly from stable to unstable!! Too radical > > That's how I always got to unstable. I do recommend stripping down

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Don't go directly from stable to unstable!! Too radical That's how I always got to unstable. I do recommend stripping down to just the base install before trying it if you want everythin

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:40:40PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:58, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Don't go directly from stable to unstable!! Too radical > > > > It's not significantly more radical than stable

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Tom
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:40:40PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:58, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Don't go directly from stable to unstable!! Too radical > > > > It's not significantly more radical than stable

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:58, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Don't go directly from stable to unstable!! Too radical > > It's not significantly more radical than stable to testing. I don't > think there's much benefit in trying to go from sta

Re: Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Dan Anderson
> Is Knoppix based on Debian stable or Debian testing? Or am I looking at acompletely > different animal? Running Knoppix I got an entirely different looking desktop than I > did installing Woody and selecting a desktop install. And is the Debian Desktop > subproject at a point where I could jus

Re: Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread griffisb
> > From: Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/10/02 Thu AM 10:58:25 EDT > To: Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 09:58, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:24, BruceG wrote: > > > On Thursday 02 October 2003 04:03, Wolfgang Lonien wrote: > > > > Edward Murrell wrote: > > > > > [Debian as a Windoze replacement] >

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:26AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:24, BruceG wrote: > > On Thursday 02 October 2003 04:03, Wolfgang Lonien wrote: > > > Edward Murrell wrote: > > > > [Debian as a Windoze replacement] > > > > > > Hi Ed (and Joe of course :-P), > [snip] > > Thank

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:24, BruceG wrote: > On Thursday 02 October 2003 04:03, Wolfgang Lonien wrote: > > Edward Murrell wrote: > > > [Debian as a Windoze replacement] > > > > Hi Ed (and Joe of course :-P), [snip] > Thanks for the tips. I consider myself Joe Average. I've run Mandrake and SuSE >

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Kent West
BruceG wrote: Is there a FAQ on how to change the /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable? Just edit it with your favorite editor (I use nano); you'll probably have about three lines in it, like so: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-n

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread BruceG
On Thursday 02 October 2003 04:03, Wolfgang Lonien wrote: > Edward Murrell wrote: > > [Debian as a Windoze replacement] > > Hi Ed (and Joe of course :-P), > > as a replacement for Win, you should try Knoppix. Really. It runs straight > from CD, and it has a very good hardware detection. You can get

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Lonien
Edward Murrell wrote: > [Debian as a Windoze replacement] Hi Ed (and Joe of course :-P), as a replacement for Win, you should try Knoppix. Really. It runs straight from CD, and it has a very good hardware detection. You can get it at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/ After installing it to disk

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-01 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 21:33, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell? > > That's nonsense. People like to throw that crap out, but users cause it > for themselves when they install RPM's from random places, same

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-10-01 Thread sturla
Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell? That's nonsense. People like to throw that crap out, but users cause it for themselves when they install RPM's from random places, same as Debian users cause it for the

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-30 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi there, > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's getting > somewhat sick of it due to the recent spate of virus and spyware that's > rendered his machine unusable. He's asked me to r

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-30 Thread ScruLoose
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:08:59PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:14, Martin Jungowski wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote: > > > > > > > > If I should advice somebody new to Linux, I would say RedHat, tha

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:59, Martin Jungowski wrote: > Hi, > > I have to admit that I don't know squat about Slackware. I have never > used it, apparantly it's pretty good though. A friend of mine says it's > "the only Linux he'll ever use" but I wouldn't count too much into that > - he also said

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Jungowski
Hi, I have to admit that I don't know squat about Slackware. I have never used it, apparantly it's pretty good though. A friend of mine says it's "the only Linux he'll ever use" but I wouldn't count too much into that - he also said that "Windows is going to be the only OS I'll ever use" about two

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Martin Jungowski
Hi, That is not nonsense. I used to have Mandrake 8 running on one of my computers and it sure as hell was dependency hell. Even with Mandrake's own RPMs for Mandrake 8, I sometimes was unable to install software because of - unmet dependencies: libraries could not be found even though they were

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Edward Murrell
Since I can't reply to everyone, I'll reply to myself. Peter - Cheers for the link to table of equivalents. Much Appreciated. ;) http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/ Several things to note; I'm not buying Libranet. While I support what they're doing, it's more than the guy wants to spe

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:47, csj wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:14:38 +0200, > Manrtin Jungowski wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote: > > > > David Palmer. wrote: > > > > > > > > If I should advice somebody new to Linux,

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread csj
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:14:38 +0200, Manrtin Jungowski wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote: > > > David Palmer. wrote: > > > > > > If I should advice somebody new to Linux, I would say > > > RedHat, that's where I started. RedHa

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:33, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell? > > That's nonsense. People like to throw that crap out, but users cause it > for themselves when they install RPM's from random places, same

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell? That's nonsense. People like to throw that crap out, but users cause it for themselves when they install RPM's from random places, same as Debian users cause it for themselves when they install

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:14, Martin Jungowski wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote: > > > David Palmer. wrote: > > > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:13 +0200 > > > > Martin Jungowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Martin Jungowski
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote: > > David Palmer. wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:13 +0200 > > > Martin Jungowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:31, Tom wrote: > > > > > > > > > On

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote: > David Palmer. wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:13 +0200 > > Martin Jungowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:31, Tom wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: [snip

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Schulz
Hi, > If I should advice somebody new to Linux, I would say RedHat, that's > where I started. > RedHat 9 has a great installer and contains anything a normal user will > ever need, including OpenOffice.Org. I also would put Ximians XD2 on top of that. I use it on some machines and am very happy w

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread sturla
David Palmer. wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:13 +0200 Martin Jungowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:31, Tom wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: Hi there, A friend of mine has had Win

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread David Palmer.
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:13 +0200 Martin Jungowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:31, Tom wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's > > > getting s

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-29 Thread Martin Jungowski
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:31, Tom wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's getting > > somewhat sick of it due to the recent spate of virus and spyware that's > > rendered his mach

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread Haralambos
Hi Yall & Eward, who wrote at some length below. The most friendly Debian I've tried, given the generation of hardware you are talking about, is Xandros Tux 1.0. It auto-detected & loaded the nVida drivers, when I ran there kit. If your friend can hold off a month or two, a newer version of

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread David Palmer.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:46:11 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:13, Clive Menzies wrote: > > On (28/09/03 00:39), Peter Nuttall wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Edward Murrell wrote: > [snip] > > > If you are looking for these things, could I recomm

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread Sridhar M.A.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 09:46:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:13, Clive Menzies wrote: > > On (28/09/03 00:39), Peter Nuttall wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Edward Murrell wrote: > [snip] > > > If you are looking for these things, could I recom

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:13, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (28/09/03 00:39), Peter Nuttall wrote: > > On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Edward Murrell wrote: [snip] > > If you are looking for these things, could I recommend mandrake linux over > > debian. IMHO debian is for the power user who is ready t

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread Tom
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: > Hi there, > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's getting > somewhat sick of it due to the recent spate of virus and spyware that's > rendered his machine unusable. He's asked me to reinstall Windows, an

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread Clive Menzies
On (28/09/03 00:39), Peter Nuttall wrote: > On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Edward Murrell wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's getting > > somewhat sick of it due to the recent spate of virus and spyware that's > > rendered his machine unusa

Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average

2003-09-27 Thread Peter Nuttall
On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Edward Murrell wrote: > Hi there, > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's getting > somewhat sick of it due to the recent spate of virus and spyware that's > rendered his machine unusable. He's asked me to reinstall Windows, and > Linux i

RE: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-15 Thread Lindsay Allen
After getting advice from Christian Leutloff, Aachen, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oche.de/~leutloff/ I have had another go at my minimalist installation with some success. Instead of using get-selections and put-selections I simply made my own Packages.gz and then ran dselect in the

RE: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-08 Thread Lindsay Allen
In my practise run the other day I noted that I had to use my dselect skills to deselect all except required packages. Then I exited dselect and ran dpkg --set-selections before running dselect again. I also noted that the --set-selections acted only on those packages specified in the file. It

RE: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-08 Thread Alec Clews
> >My major interest in the -Desktop and Diety projects is the provision for >user-friendly "basic installs" ... so that the average non-linux user can Sounds what a lot of us are after. >migrate to debian in a way that doesn't require them to understand unix as >a guru . Has there been any effo

Re: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-06 Thread Will Lowe
On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Behan Webster wrote: > Alec Clews wrote: > > > > >> 2) Creating tools to extract files required to install a specific > > >> profile. > > That sounds reasonable. I would hope that once deity is available > that it will suit your needs. My major interest in the -Desktop and

Re: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-06 Thread Behan Webster
Alec Clews wrote: > > >> 2) Creating tools to extract files required to install a specific > >> profile. > > > >What exactly do you mean by #2 above? > > Well, I want to implment a system where by it is possible to extract a > subset of the Official Debian distribution for a specific profile. It

RE: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-06 Thread Alec Clews
>> 2) Creating tools to extract files required to install a specific >> profile. > >What exactly do you mean by #2 above? Well, I want to implment a system where by it is possible to extract a subset of the Official Debian distribution for a specific profile. The idea is to make it possible to cre

Re: Debian-Desktop

1997-08-06 Thread Behan Webster
Alec Clews wrote: > > If Deity supports profiles then the effort will be reduced to > 1) Creating profiles > 2) Creating tools to extract files required to install a specific > profile. What exactly do you mean by #2 above? > Anyone have an inside track on the Deity delivery schedule? We were