On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:07:59PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:59:09AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> >
> > > The document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is
>
Celejar wrote:
A common problem with linux gui tools is that they are often really
just simple front ends to the cli tools, and they often aren't really
easier to use than them; if the user doesn't have a pretty good
understanding of the underlying cli tool he'll be stuck even in the
gui, and if
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:59:09AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
>
> > The document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is
> > anything else I can do.
>
> possibly the LGPL or the WxWindows leicence t
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:59:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 February 2007 04:25, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500
> > > I do not understand your comment about debian wiki. Do you want me to
> > > put a link in the debian wiki or do you want me to
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:13:07 +
Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Now if only we had *more* GUI tools (that weren't crippled 'cos they're
> for "clueless newbies(tm)") not instead of, but as well as the command
> line tools (for those who prefer cryptic and opaque)... ;@)
A common
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:33:45 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:21:49 +1300
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote:
[snip]
> > There are sites geared to helping newbies: linuxquestions.org,
> > tldp.org.
>
> Not Debian specific. It might even be worse t
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 01:13:07PM +, Wulfy wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> >For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't
> >want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one.
> >Already you have a conflict.
> I don't think it's quite that simple.
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 04:25, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500
> > I do not understand your comment about debian wiki. Do you want me to
> > put a link in the debian wiki or do you want me to put the whole
> > contents there?
>
> The former would be nice, the later wou
Glenn Becker wrote:
To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic
command line tools.
I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither
opaque nor cryptic.
Choices is what it's all about - for me.
G
Which was the point of the bit you snipped... not
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 09:03:34AM -0200, cassiano wrote:
Didn't expect a personal reply. Could you please trim unnecessary parts.
Kantonix, Mepis, Ubuntu, and others *based* on Debian.
Personally, I don't think that Debian is geared towards newbies but more
towards admi
To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic
command line tools.
I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither opaque
nor cryptic.
Choices is what it's all about - for me.
G
+-+
Glenn Becker -
Chris Bannister wrote:
For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't
want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one.
Already you have a conflict.
I don't think it's quite that simple. Just because someone "prefers to
set up [his] system the way [he]
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:21:49 +1300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) wrote:
> For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't
> want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one.
> Already you have a conflict.
But an advanced user/DD would know how to ins
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:43 -0500
Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 04 February 2007 20:45, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > What would happen if you asked debian-www to add it or put in in the
> > debian wiki?
> >
> > Doug.
>
> The last time I looked, debian-www is full o
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:04:35AM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > Kantonix, Mepis, Ubuntu, and others *based* on Debian.
> > Personally, I don't think that Debian is geared towards newbies but more
> > towards admins and people who seem to know what they are doing. Hence
> > the formation of
On Sunday 04 February 2007 20:45, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:10:07PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > On Sunday 04 February 2007 18:51, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:28:19PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > > > For the interested,
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:18:20PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
I hope not! Perhaps we need a debian-newbie-users list? It would need
some more-experienced users prepared to monitor the list and offer
"gentle" advice. The NewbieDOC project used to have a list like th
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:10:07PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Sunday 04 February 2007 18:51, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:28:19PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > > For the interested, A summary of why there is no newbie list can be found
> > > at
> > >
On Sunday 04 February 2007 18:51, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:28:19PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > For the interested, A summary of why there is no newbie list can be found
> > at
> >
> > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html
> >
> > under
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:28:19PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Sunday 04 February 2007 16:11, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:18:20 +
> >
> > Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > So does this mean that the Debia
On Sunday 04 February 2007 16:11, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:18:20 +
>
> Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > So does this mean that the Debian community, while helpful to
> > > newbies that know enough how to ask a question,
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:02:21PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> >How does someone on the debian website find newbiedoc? I just checked
> >the documentation page (which is where someone may logically look) and
> >there's no mention of it.
> >
> >
> >
>
> N
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:18:20PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> I hope not! Perhaps we need a debian-newbie-users list? It would need
> some more-experienced users prepared to monitor the list and offer
> "gentle" advice. The NewbieDOC project used to have a list like this.
> Unfortunately, it c
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:02:21 +
Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > How does someone on the debian website find newbiedoc? I just
> > checked the documentation page (which is where someone may
> > logically look) and there's no mention of it.
>
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:18:20 +
Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > [...]
> > So does this mean that the Debian community, while helpful to
> > newbies that know enough how to ask a question, would be happier if
> > newbies who don't just went to one of those
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[...]
So does this mean that the Debian community, while helpful to newbies
that know enough how to ask a question, would be happier if newbies who
don't just went to one of those projects instead?
I hope not! Perhaps we need a debian-newbie-users list? It wou
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[...]
How does someone on the debian website find newbiedoc? I just checked
the documentation page (which is where someone may logically look) and
there's no mention of it.
NewbieDOC is not an official Debian project, although there is a
newbiedoc package (whi
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:51:34PM +, Nick Boyce wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> >
> >> Well, from a user-level point of view, I have no interest in extended
> >> tinkering. If Gentoo did it right out of the box, w
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:51:34PM +, Nick Boyce wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> He doesn't want *documentation* - he just wants the software to *work*
> ... and why shouldn't he want that ?
>
> Failure to install th
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:07:07AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> >On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >>On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm curious. I've thought back over this thread a
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
>
>> Well, from a user-level point of view, I have no interest in extended
>> tinkering. If Gentoo did it right out of the box, why couldn't debian?
>>
>> It's a shame because most of hte books at the
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:54:46PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >
> > > I do recall that there was not a lot of good detailed information from
> > >
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[..]
Don't reply to this. I'm blocking out this list from now on.
I'm curious. I've thought back over this thr
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:54:46PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> [..]
> > > > Don't reply to this. I'm blocking out this list from now on.
> > >
> > >
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[...]
Note that there's already a project called Debian from scratch (a
bootable CD rom used for rescue and building).
What about something like Debian_for_complete_computer_newbies?
Can you change the name after its created? IOW should I start editing
the Debia
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[..]
> > > Don't reply to this. I'm blocking out this list from now on.
> >
> > I'm curious. I've thought back over this thread and can't recall
> > (withou
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 06:28:45PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:44:40PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:03:02AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > On Sat,
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:44:40PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:03:02AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 12:57:09AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> >
> > > For example,
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:50:27AM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:03:02AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 12:57:09AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:40:02PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > > > wouldn't c
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:33:24AM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:31:50AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:40:24 -0500
> >>Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>For example, the debian-reference is suppos
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:33:24AM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:31:50AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:40:24 -0500
> >>Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>[...]
> >>>
> >>>For example,
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 08:03:02AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 12:57:09AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:40:02PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > > wouldn't consider a *N*X are doing so. And they're not prepared.
> > > >
> > > > so
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 12:57:09AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:40:02PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > wouldn't consider a *N*X are doing so. And they're not prepared.
> > >
> > > so in other words... its a good thing!
> > >
> >
> > Yes. It tells us that
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 12:57:09AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:40:02PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > wouldn't consider a *N*X are doing so. And they're not prepared.
> > >
> > > so in other words... its a good thing!
> > >
> >
> > Yes. It tells us that
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:31:50AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:40:24 -0500
Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
For example, the debian-reference is supposed to be a "post-install
user's guide".
[...]
I have yet to
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:40:02PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > wouldn't consider a *N*X are doing so. And they're not prepared.
> >
> > so in other words... its a good thing!
> >
>
> Yes. It tells us that our documentation isn't up to their needs.
>
> Doug.
Well, I'd say that t
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:40:02PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 04:45:35PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > >
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 04:45:35PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> > > I'm
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:31:50AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:40:24 -0500
> Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think that we need a big "NEW to UNIX-Like Operating Systems like
> > Debian?" button on the front page of the web site. It could take them
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:40:24PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> > > On 2/2/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >I don't suppose
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:40:24 -0500
Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that we need a big "NEW to UNIX-Like Operating Systems like
> Debian?" button on the front page of the web site. It could take them
> to a short introduction about what *N*X is like, and how to get
> docume
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> > On 2/2/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I don't suppose you have a grub-disk (floppy based. Why doesn't someone
> > >make a grub-sti
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:50AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> On 2/2/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >I don't suppose you have a grub-disk (floppy based. Why doesn't someone
> >make a grub-stick?)? From that you can run grub manually.
> >
>
> Well, from a user-l
On 2/2/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't suppose you have a grub-disk (floppy based. Why doesn't someone
make a grub-stick?)? From that you can run grub manually.
Well, from a user-level point of view, I have no interest in extended
tinkering. If Gentoo did it rig
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 09:01:19AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> On 2/1/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:55:18AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >> >On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:01:53AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
Just FYI - Debian never managed to boot into linux even after trying
the suggestion with the rescue disk. Ubuntu similarly failed. Gentoo
worked.
Not trying to start a flame war , but I thought this would be of interest.
On 2/1/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 01,
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:55:18AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:01:53AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> >>After installing Debian/testing from CD, and then removing the CD and
> >>rebooting, I get this message:
> >>
> >>"DISK BOOT FAILURE
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:01:53AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
After installing Debian/testing from CD, and then removing the CD and
rebooting, I get this message:
"DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER"
Now, in my BIOS, the order of boot preferenc
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:01:53AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> After installing Debian/testing from CD, and then removing the CD and
> rebooting, I get this message:
>
> "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER"
>
> Now, in my BIOS, the order of boot preference is CDROM, Floppy
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