On 06/04/2011 02:52 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 06/03/2011 07:02 AM, Camaleón wrote:
[snip]
And admittely, in such programs (like Getmail or Fetchmail) it is very
useful to have the "keep" option while configuring the application so you
d
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 06/03/2011 07:02 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> And admittely, in such programs (like Getmail or Fetchmail) it is very
>> useful to have the "keep" option while configuring the application so you
>> don't delete e-mails unless you are sur
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:26:25 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 06/03/2011 07:02 AM, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> As I said before, it's understandable that the default setting is
>> "keep" in such programs to avoid missing e-mails while testing.
>>
>>
> Disagree. Defaults are for the *common* choices
On 06/03/2011 07:02 AM, Camaleón wrote:
[snip]
And admittely, in such programs (like Getmail or Fetchmail) it is very
useful to have the "keep" option while configuring the application so you
don't delete e-mails unless you are sure they're well routed locally and
messages reach their inboxes.
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:21:47 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:27:29 + (UTC) Camaleón
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave
>> enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default,
>> it never has been in any M
On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:27:29 + (UTC)
Camaleón wrote:
...
> Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave
> enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, it
> never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think how
> is that so
Hi,
Howard Eisenberger wrote:
Also, mutt -f pop(s)://mail.example.com/ to read e-mail
on a POP3 server "online".
That's neat.
I used the following and they both worked:
mutt -f pops://localhost
mutt -f imaps://localhost
I was able to delete, undelete and delete a message again. Ende
On 2011-05-17, Alan Chandler wrote:
> POP has an option to leave messages on the server after you have read them.
>
> I have a server set up which stores all my mails, and I use IMAP to read
> them. I have a few old accounts from old ISPs which uses POP, and I
> just collect mails from them wit
On 05/21/2011 12:51 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
[snip]
for the purposes of this conversation - what do you think - is
"normally" a subset of "may" or of "must?" :-)
Neither.
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:
Normal \Nor"mal\ (n[^o]r"mal), a. [L. norm
good pointer!
Chris Davies wrote:
See RFC2119 (http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt) for a complete
definition!
Miles Fidelman wrote:
As I said, In "standards speak."
"Should" or "must" => always (at least if done right; anything else is
wrong).
what was I t
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> As I said, In "standards speak."
> "Should" or "must" => always (at least if done right; anything else is
> wrong).
> "May" => optional; alternatives are possible and allowed.
See RFC2119 (http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt) for a complete
definition!
Chris
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Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:09:45 Miles Fidelman wrote:
I also note that in standards speak, "normally" is equivalent to
"may."
In which language, pray? Certainly not in English.
As I said, In "standards speak."
"Should" or "must" => always (at least if done right
On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:09:45 Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I also note that in standards speak, "normally" is equivalent to
> "may."
In which language, pray? Certainly not in English.
Lisi
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Camaleón wrote:
Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave
enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, it
never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think how
is that so hard to understand.
I think everyone understand th
On Qua, 18 Mai 2011, Camaleón wrote:
Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave
enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, it
never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think how
is that so hard to understand.
That's a MUA
On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:28:31 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 10:32:01 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>>> The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/reading
>>> messages, marking messages for deletion, and actually deleting
>>> message
On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:50:54 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:57:16 + (UTC) Camaleón
> wrote:
>
> Hello Camaleón,
>
>> Pop3 was not designed to keep the messages on the server, having such
>> option is not the norm but the exception (many e-mail server do not
>> have
>
>
On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:57:16 + (UTC)
Camaleón wrote:
Hello Camaleón,
> Pop3 was not designed to keep the messages on the server, having such
> option is not the norm but the exception (many e-mail server do not
> have
Cam, if you want to be all Humpty Dumpty about it(0), fine. Just don't
Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2011 10:32:01 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/reading
messages, marking messages for deletion, and actually deleting messages
(when a QUIT is issued) are very distinct operations that have to be
execute
On Wed, 18 May 2011 10:32:01 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
>> That's okay, but not for me (so I noted), at least not "technically
>> speaking" in this context where pop3, due to its own nature, inherits
>> by default a "download/fetch/get/retrieve and delete" action ;-)
>>
>>
Camaleón wrote:
That's okay, but not for me (so I noted), at least not "technically
speaking" in this context where pop3, due to its own nature, inherits by
default a "download/fetch/get/retrieve and delete" action ;-)
Nope.
The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/read
On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:53:40 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:31:27AM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> This is mostly a technical mailing list and the above definitions do
>> not have to entirely fit with the ones used to define a standard
>> protocol¹. Meaning, in plain English yes
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:31:27AM +, Camaleón wrote:
> This is mostly a technical mailing list and the above definitions do not
> have to entirely fit with the ones used to define a standard protocol¹.
> Meaning, in plain English yes, "download" is a very generic term covering
> many situat
On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:31:27 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:42:28 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
>>>
>>
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:42:58AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >But that's what IMAP is for. POP is specifically designed as a
> >temporary holding area (like a Post Office Box).
> >
> >> There are some way to read the mails from POP3 account without
> >>download...ma
In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:42:28 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500
>>> John Hasler wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
>>
>> Obvious :-)
>
>Not that obvious :-P
>
>I can read POP3 messages from my po
Iwrote:
> There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
RMAwrites:
> Obvious :-)
You would think so, wouldn't you?
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On Ma, 17 mai 11, 15:50:57, Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:42:28 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500
> >> John Hasler wrote:
> >
> >> There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
> >
> > Obvious :-)
>
> Not that obvious :-P
>
>
On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:42:28 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500
>> John Hasler wrote:
>
>> There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
>
> Obvious :-)
Not that obvious :-P
I can read POP3 messages from my pop3 e-mail checker while I'm not
Ron Johnson wrote:
But that's what IMAP is for. POP is specifically designed as a
temporary holding area (like a Post Office Box).
There are some way to read the mails from POP3 account without
download...maybe a gateway to IMAP...some idea?
Who goes to the Post Office, reads their m
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500
> John Hasler wrote:
> There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
Obvious :-)
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Jesus arteche writes:
> There are some way to read the mails from POP3 account without
> download...
There is no way to read anything without downloading it. If you want
the messages to remain on the server don't send DELE commands.
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On 17/05/11 10:52, Jesus arteche wrote:
Hi,
We have a problem. We are building an app which uses Roundcube to read
mails. It's ok for IMAP accounts, but we need to read an account
provider who just uses POP3. We need to read it without download the
mails. There are some way to read the mails f
Jesus arteche wrote:
We have a problem. We are building an app which uses Roundcube to
read mails. It's ok for IMAP accounts, but we need to read an account
provider who just uses POP3. We need to read it without download the
mails. There are some way to read the mails from POP3 account witho
On 05/17/2011 04:52 AM, Jesus arteche wrote:
Hi,
We have a problem. We are building an app which uses Roundcube to read
mails. It's ok for IMAP accounts, but we need to read an account
provider who just uses POP3. We need to read it without download the
mails.
But that's what IMAP is for. PO
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