Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:21:27 -0800 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > telnetd is INSECURE and SHOULD NOT BE USED unless you have ... > > EXPLICITLY STATED reason. > > Where is that policy published? Where should the description of use > be submitted for approval? I have no idea whose policy you r

Bullying; was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Greg Wooledge Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:11:55 -0400 > They gave you the rope and the instructions. It's up to you to actually > tie the noose around your own neck. > > Just delete the stupidly obvious this-line-is-commented-out-on-purpose > token, and then reload inetd. If you don't know h

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 01:59:07PM +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 04:00 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > [...] > > Ideally the syntax > > required for correct threading would be posted in the debian site. > > What's it got to do with Debian? Correct email threading is a property > of

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 04:00 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: [...] > Ideally the syntax > required for correct threading would be posted in the debian site. What's it got to do with Debian? Correct email threading is a property of the email clients the senders and receivers of emails use. You'd ho

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: David Wright Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:12:45 -0500 > Maybe sometime you'd explain why you prefer telnet to ssh. Several years ago ssh was about 15-20 s connecting whereas telnet required less than a second. Consequently I adopted the habit of using telnet with a password. Recently I won

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Incidently the hyperlinks in my reply to Charles Curley > ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00479.html ) seem OK. > The list server is is flummoxed when there are more than 2 or 3 or 4 > References? Then I should

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 19:34:26 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > From: David Wright, Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:18:34 -0500 > > > telnetd is ancient ... I wrote "sshd is modern and secure. telnetd is ancient and insecure …" with the two sentences i

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: David Wright, Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:18:34 -0500 > > telnetd is ancient ... > > Recency of development is a criterion for choosing a tool. (?) I think that depends on the tool. If telnetd works for you and you are cognisant of

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: David Wright, Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:18:34 -0500 > telnetd is ancient ... Recency of development is a criterion for choosing a tool. (?) The ball-peen hammer as we know it would have been developed before 1900. Might have been prior to 1800. The pneumatic hammer was developed in the 1920s a

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed 09 Oct 2019 at 07:25:39 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Andy Smith > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:03:14 + > > It is confusing why you would need to do this to localhost as you > > could just type "bash" (or dash or zsh or whatever) to get a new > > shell. So it would help our und

Re: Subject: Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:13:57 -0700 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Charles Curley > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:59:47 -0600 > > First, this is a Debian Linux support list, not an Oberon support > > list. > > Yes! Exactly the right place for a question about telnetd in a > Debian system. > >

Subject: Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Charles Curley Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:59:47 -0600 > First, this is a Debian Linux support list, not an Oberon support > list. Yes! Exactly the right place for a question about telnetd in a Debian system. This illustrates why I tried to avoid mention of Oberon at the outset. It's a d

Threading; was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

DISCLAIMER & WARNING: Threading may still be incorrect. Tempting as this message might be, if incorrect threading upsets you please stop reading. =8~) To my understanding In-Reply-To and References were added to the earlier message correctly but the list server put them in the Web based mess

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 07:25:39 -0700 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Andy Smith > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:03:14 + > > So I think we really do still need to know more about your use > > case. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system) > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Oberon

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Andy Smith Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:03:14 + > It is confusing why you would need to do this to localhost as you > could just type "bash" (or dash or zsh or whatever) to get a new > shell. So it would help our understanding if you were to explain > what your use case is for this new inte

Re: Authentication for telnet.

DISCLAIMER & WARNING: Threading may still be incorrect. Tempting as this message might be, if incorrect threading upsets you please stop reading. =8~) From: David , Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700 > > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can t

Re: Breaking the mail thread. Was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 14:20, David wrote: [...] Sorry, I didn't see this had already been discussed. (broken threading, gmail interface, didn't read everything before sending anything)

Re: Breaking the mail thread. Was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 05:38, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Threading is broken, as usual. > > This is probably due to extra characters in the "References:" header: > > > > From: pe...@easthope.ca > > > X-Mailer: Oberon Mail (ejz) on LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.8586 > > > To: debian

Breaking the mail thread. Was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hi, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > Hopefully this is readable. Reco wrote: > Threading is broken, as usual. This is probably due to extra characters in the "References:" header: > > From: pe...@easthope.ca > > X-Mailer: Oberon Mail (ejz) on LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.8586 > > To: debian-use

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hi. On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 11:52:51AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hopefully this is readable. It is. Threading is broken, as usual. > > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above. > > Ie. > > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > > /usr/sbin/telnetd

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 11:52:51AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hopefully this is readable. > > From: Reco , Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:45:12 +0300 > > No, it should not be there because it disables telnetd this way. > > Thanks. > > > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above. > > Ie. > > 2) echo

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hopefully this is readable. From: Reco , Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:45:12 +0300 > No, it should not be there because it disables telnetd this way. Thanks. > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above. Ie. > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:55:29PM -, Curt wrote: >> On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: >> > >> > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the >> > illustrious Mr. Owlett is i

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tuesday, October 01, 2019 01:40:51 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David wrote: > > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas! > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I can't know how Thomas feels about it. > > I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion. Thanks, I needed

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:55:29PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the > > illustrious Mr. Owlett is in, so I never have to read your mangled, > >

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tuesday, October 01, 2019 11:08:09 AM Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:54:19 +1000 > David wrote: > > Hello David, > > >I've written a few shitty messages to this list too, when people don't > >meet my expectations of behaviour. But usually when I'm finished, > >I press "delete" ins

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the > illustrious Mr. Owlett is in, so I never have to read your mangled, > nonsensical crap again. > Aren't you delivering the right messag

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:12:42PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > > ## telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash > > > > Not sure

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:12:42PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco , Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:48:09 +0300 > > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash' >> /etc/inetd.conf > > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > ## t

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Reco Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:26:35 +0300 > apt install inetutils-telnetd openbsd-inetd root@joule:~# dpkg -l | grep inet ii inetutils-telnetd2:1.9.4-7 i386 telnet server ii openbsd-inetd0.20160825-4

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 07:40:51PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > David wrote: > > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas! > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I can't know how Thomas feels about it. > > I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion. Thanks

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hi. On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 10:42:20AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > Try it: > > > > 1) apt install inetutils-inetd openbsd-inetd > > Debian 10 allows me to install one or the other but not both. > I removed inetutils-inetd and installed openbsd-inetd. There's this saying here inv

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Reco , Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:48:09 +0300 > I fail to see how that's "OK". "OK" was only my acknowledgement of your instruction or suggestion. Not a confirmation of success. > Try it: > > 1) apt install inetutils-inetd openbsd-inetd Debian 10 allows me to install one or the other but not bot

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hi, David wrote: > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas! to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I can't know how Thomas feels about it. I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:57:34AM +1000, David wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:49, wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote: > > > > You are Mr "have a nice day" after all :) > > > No, that is Thomas (our names are pretty similar, but he is > > far less grumpy than me

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:49, wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote: > > You are Mr "have a nice day" after all :) > No, that is Thomas (our names are pretty similar, but he is > far less grumpy than me and besides he has quite a bit of > free software out there to show :

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:16, wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote: > > > > I've written a few shitty messages to this list too [...] > > I'm sorry, the word "too" should not appear in my sentence > above, I did

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:54:19 +1000 David wrote: Hello David, >I've written a few shitty messages to this list too, when people don't >meet my expectations of behaviour. But usually when I'm finished, >I press "delete" instead of "send", and then find something fun to Been there, done that. Quit

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:16, wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote: > > I've written a few shitty messages to this list too [...] I'm sorry, the word "too" should not appear in my sentence above, I did not notice that it carries implications that I did not intend, please

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:57, wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > Why in the hell [...] > > > Now try in a more polite and friendly way. [...] > > > Thanks for trying :) > > I agree that polit

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:57, wrote: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Why in the hell [...] > Now try in a more polite and friendly way. [...] > Thanks for trying :) I agree that polite and friendly is the goal. I see that a polite way was tried already by s

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Why in the hell is anyone running telnetd in 2019? > > What is the PURPOSE of this idiocy? To recreate that 1992 feeling? For > nostalgia? Now try in a more polite and friendly way. Then you'd have a chance of achieving so

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:48:09AM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:36:51PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user > > # Restart inetd. Why in the hell is anyone run

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:36:51PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters. > > OK. > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user > # Re

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Reco Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters. OK. peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user # Restart inetd. Then the result from telnet to localhost is in this little screenshot

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On 2019-09-30 16:46, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 07:28:45PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: From: pe...@easthope.ca Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700 > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ... Localhost; not hosts. It's easy to get confu

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hello, On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 07:28:45PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: pe...@easthope.ca > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700 > > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ... > > Localhost; not hosts. It's easy to get confused because your posting style is

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Andy Smith wrote: > > Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with are too > underpowered CPU-wise to cope with SSH's encryption? > For what it's worth, I used to routinely SSH in to an appliance running on an extremely underpowered CPU (by today's standards), a 30 MHz MIPS core. The initia

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 15:55, Tixy wrote: > On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote: > > A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other > > messages that you use something named Oberon. > It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he > posts to this list. The X-M

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsyste

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote: [...] > A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other > messages that you use something named Oberon. It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he posts to this list. The X-Mailer header in his emails says 'Oberon Mail' an

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 01:33, wrote: > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet > work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login. Ok, the guessing game continues, we're all trying to h

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Andy Smith Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:51:22 + > Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with ... From: pe...@easthope.ca Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700 > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ... Localhost; not hosts. Also, From: peasth...@sh

Re: Authentication for telnet.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 10:51:22PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > > efficiency.) > I am old enough to remember how we used to remotely manage machines > before SSH

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hello, On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably > faster than c

Re: Authentication for telnet.

From: Reco Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably faster than competitors. > ... your request seems to be awful

Re: Authentication for telnet.

Hi. On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 08:15:07AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet > work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login. > > Can thi