Reply to list (was: Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails))

2007-03-18 Thread Paul Scott
Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Michael. You don’t need another client since Thunderbird/Icedove has an extension[0] which enables you to reply to list only. I’m using it for a long time now. Don’t worry about the patch mentioned on the site, it’s already in Debian’s Thunderbird/Icedove package[1].

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-21 Thread marc
Daniel B. said... > marc wrote: > > Daniel B. said... > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote: > ... > And the user can also provide their own CSS too, should they wish. > >> Right. But the reader shouldn't have to re-write a page's style sheet

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel B.
marc wrote: Daniel B. said... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote: ... And the user can also provide their own CSS too, should they wish. Right. But the reader shouldn't have to re-write a page's style sheet just to be able to read it conveniently.

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel B.
Joe Hart wrote: ... Sorry to butt in here, but I think a point needs to be made. A large number of modern websites do not allow the viewer to choose how to view the page. If the browser window is too large, empty space will appear on both sides. If the browser window is too small, the view wi

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-16 Thread marc
said... > On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:52:58PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote: > > > > > > >>>HTML adapts to the user's browser pane width (well, if the author > > >>>doesn't break HTML's ability to do that). > > >>Again, to be pedantic, it's CSS that controls the layout, hence the > > >>author simply pr

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-15 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:52:58PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote: > > > >>>HTML adapts to the user's browser pane width (well, if the author > >>>doesn't break HTML's ability to do that). > >>Again, to be pedantic, it's CSS that controls the layout, hence the > >>author simply provides multiple CSS, wh

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:10:41 +0100 Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've had bad experiences with Kubuntu myself. I convinced my > > brother to try it, but it would freeze at loading KDE. He was > > pretty disappointed and gave up. Now I want to give it another try > > with etch as I am

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-15 Thread marc
Daniel B. said... > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote: > >> Daniel B. said... > ... > >>> Please note another problem with PDF: The page size and layout > >>> are fixed. > >> Not really a problem, more of a feature of the format; the idea being > >>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 >> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out >>> myself, I

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > > myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default > > curses insta

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-14 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel B. wrote: HTML adapts to the user's browser pane width (well, if the author doesn't break HTML's ability to do that). >>> Again, to be pedantic, it's CSS that controls the layout, hence the >>> author simply provides multiple CSS, whi

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-14 Thread Daniel B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote: Daniel B. said... ... Please note another problem with PDF: The page size and layout are fixed. Not really a problem, more of a feature of the format; the idea being that a PDF renders the same regardless of the d

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Hart
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used "brain dead user" (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my tex

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: > Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I > expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used "brain dead user" > (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my text I used it to > refer to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Ken Heard
Michael, Thank you for your positive response to my "Attracting newbies" post, which really started the fork from "Booting Debian/testing fails". The original post from Terrence Brannon generated 59 responses including mine; whereas there have been so far 96 responses since my post. If n

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:30:21AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: [..] > I've been using Debian (Sid) exclusively for 4-5 years now. However, as > I've posted elsewhere on this list, when I bought a new Thinkpad Z61M > last week I had a lot of problems with getting Sid to work properly. The > wirel

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 09:51:30AM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > > Snipped from my config.py: > > > > > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread David Hart
On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > Snipped from my config.py: > > > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > > # 0: Call /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail. > > SMTP_SEND = 1 > > SMTP_SERVER = "jyn

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:03:01PM -0500 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > News to me -- I've always used the package or application name. As an > > aside, I thought that new applications for Linux were encouraged to use > > Info for documentation ... > > Info is what the FSF is

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:54:28AM -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > [ ...] > > > Snipped fr

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-08 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote: > Daniel B. said... > > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > ... > > > Pdf can have internal links as well as a table of contents that one can > > > click on. On the other hand, on

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: [ ...] > Snipped from my config.py: > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > # 0: Cal

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: > As for the newbie documentation, we should definitely get something > together. Everyone who is interested email me at my personal emailing > just to say "Aie!". Drop me an AIM/MSN/Jabber contact so I can reach you > beyond email if possible. > I'm in. Ciao, Dave s

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-08 Thread marc
Daniel B. said... > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > ... > > Pdf can have internal links as well as a table of contents that one can > > click on. On the other hand, one needs X to read it and a postscript > > capable printer to print

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread M-L
On Thursday 08 February 2007 01:59, Celejar shared this with us all: >--} On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 >--} Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--} >--} [snip] >--} >--} > see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me >--} > personally, and email it to the list also (Se

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 13:57, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> >>> If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP >>> would be the best

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > Ehh? For such a simple program I think it's well documented. 'man r2e' > > and the self documented config file ~/.rss2email/config.py should > > tell you all you

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: { ...} using fetchmail/procmail to get RSS. > That's what I do, into its own folder. > > > I just grabbed it, the documentation is non existent. :( > > Ehh? For such a

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP > > would be the best choice to access it. > > That's the *second worst* place to put it. > please enlighten. I am i

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > [ ...] > > > > Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? > > > > It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/se

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:51:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your > > mail to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, > > or even >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your mail > to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, or even

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: [ ...] > > Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? > > It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/sendmail, not directly to > a mail store. Hm OK Then I use say pro

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 01:39:31PM -0500, KS wrote: > I'm just jumping in to this thread after reading the last few posts in > this thread. If you need the latest wiki (with PHP5), I can offer to > host it and connection is pretty reliable too. My friend who offers the > hosting can help as he hi

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread KS
Chris Lale wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:09:30 -0500 >> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> So if we go with the wiki, we (or at least I) have to learn a new markup language and resign ourselves that the work

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. > > Looks great -- Without looking at the package, just a couple quick > questions; > > Does it do mb

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? >>> Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking >>> to

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 11:32:50AM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > >RE: how to write the documentation, where to put it. > > > >It seems that wget won't crawl through a wiki, it will just grab the one > >page. Its no different than saving the page with the browser. > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS > > feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. I really wish I could > > use mutt though. ;)

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? > > > > Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking > > to go for IMAP as soon as I get my firewall back on line (hdd is > > down), > > Ah, a secu

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 10:36, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:5

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: > Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS > feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. I really wish I could > use mutt though. ;) For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Daniel B.
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: ... Pdf can have internal links as well as a table of contents that one can click on. On the other hand, one needs X to read it and a postscript capable printer to print it (yes I know...). Please note

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 17:33: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: >>> On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala >>> wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > >>> ? It require

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [snip] > > I am planing to write som

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Stephen. > > Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > > wrote: > >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > > ? It requires more than Enigmail. > > No,

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:18:32 + Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The wiki and the MediaWiki software are stable enough - it is the > Berlios server that is not always available. Not every Free software That's what I meant. > organisation will host a wiki sucessfully - eg SourceForge

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Daniel Barclay
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: RE: how to write the documentation, where to put it. It seems that wget won't crawl through a wiki, it will just grab the one page. Its no different than saving the page with the browser. Wget crawls my wiki site just fine. Are you using the right wget options? Do

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala >>> wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me > personally, and email it to the list also (Send two separate emails > though, otherwise it won't pass my email filters. I'm interested. Celejar

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Stephen. > > Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > > wrote: > >>> Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client >

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
use and if need a subdomain of my domain. Let me know how I can > help you. > > Julian > > JD Computer Hosting > > -Original Message- > From: Douglas Allan Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:30 > To: debian-user@lists.debian.or

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > I am planing to write something similar, but without the IMAP bit > (which should be trivial to implement in my setup)

Documentation (Re: Attracting newbies)

2007-02-07 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 06 February 2007 23:15, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > HTML is nice for viewing over the internet, and whenever possible I > prefer HTML over PDF. Especially since you can tie URLs in HTML to > other points on the pa

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:04:31PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Okay, let's get back on topic. So far I have five other people who are > interested in working on this documentation, I'm hoping to get a few > more writers than editors before we begin (So far I believe 4/5 people > who signed up

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Chris Lale
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:09:30 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: So if we go with the wiki, we (or at least I) have to learn a new markup language and resign ourselves that the work can't be used in any other work. If we go

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: >>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>> Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client >>> to use for mailing li

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > [snip] > I also sort of feel the same as some others have expressed on this > thread about Ubuntu leaving them cold. It does me too. I've tried it a > couple of times and I've always been left feeling that the OS was > "dumbed down". Sort of like

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Michael Pobega wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > >> > >>I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply > >>All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. > >> > >> > >Most

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with one > > > another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and Icedove if > > > possible. Any chance you have a URL to a walkthrough/HowTo on how > > > to

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:09:30 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > So if we go with the wiki, we (or at least I) have to learn a new > > markup language and resign ourselves that the work can't be used in > > any other work. If we go with another format,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:50, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> [...] >> >> > Hmm...Now all I need is a good (Free) host with IMAP. Any ideas? Free? Do it yourself. Register with dyndns.org and install courier-imap-ssl. http://www.fastmail.fm/ mig

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:05:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >>> > >> Unless you forged that mail header. > >> > > > > LOL Trust me Ron, it's not forged. :-P > > > > I use Exim4 to send to SMARTHOST Google, and fetchmail/procmail to fetch > > and pro

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:12:01PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/06/07 21:56, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >> >>> That I'm the only one left on the planet with a printer that right now >>> can't print ps even with gs-esp. Its a mechanical problem with the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > [...] > > Hmm...Now all I need is a good (Free) host with IMAP. Any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:29, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:12:01PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:56, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> That I'm the only one left on the planet with a printer that right now >>> can't print ps

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:30, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with > one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and > Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a >>

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:12:01PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:56, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > That I'm the only one left on the planet with a printer that right now > > can't print ps even with gs-esp. Its a mechanical problem with the > > printer. Its 26 years old. > > Geez,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with > >>> one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and > >>> Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a > >>> walkthrough/HowTo on how to do something like that? > >> No, no, no. > >> > >> ONE mai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:11, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or >

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:56, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 09:46:09PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:26, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> Pdf can have inter

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron > >> Johnson wrote: > > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > >> On Tue,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron >> Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: >>>

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 09:46:09PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:26, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Pdf can have internal links as well as a table of contents that one can > > click on. On the other hand, one needs

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Stephen wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron > Johnson wrote: > >>> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael > Pobega wrote: > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:54:54PM +, Chris Lale wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:08:53PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >>I agree with you, I'm not one of those people who are completely against > >>Ubuntu; I think just anything you can accomplish in U

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:26, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > >> The way I see it all that we'll need is HTML, PDF, and plain text. Plain >> text is the easiest to read through a terminal window, a

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: > I don't mind not getting geek creds. > C'mon, Mutt's fun! Ciao, Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > The way I see it all that we'll need is HTML, PDF, and plain text. Plain > text is the easiest to read through a terminal window, and it should be > how we write the original documentation. Once we finish a full plain > text versi

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > So if we go with the wiki, we (or at least I) have to learn a new markup > language and resign ourselves that the work can't be used in any other > work. If we go with another format, it needs a home and we (or at least > I) have to learn a new markup language. Unless

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega >>> wrote: >>> >>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega > > wrote: > >> John K Masters wrote: > > > >>> PS if yo

Re: Attracting newbies

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
RE: how to write the documentation, where to put it. It seems that wget won't crawl through a wiki, it will just grab the one page. Its no different than saving the page with the browser. >From this, one can produce a postscript output but with no control over formatting. There doesn't seem to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Michael. > > Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: >> John K Masters wrote: > >>> PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt >>> >> As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: > John K Masters wrote: > >PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt > > > As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And > seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Jason White
On 2007-02-06, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And > seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt :-( You can use Fetchmail to retrieve all of your mail using POP3 or IMAP. Once it is delivered to y

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:41:00PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: > Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote > long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Lk 6-36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:17:15PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > The reason for having a graphical installer is that there currently is no way > to support some languages with just an ncurses based installer. I believe > this is the main reason why we have a graphical installer and why i

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Real geeks use mailx. > Pfft. *Real* geeks telnet to port 25 on the destination mail server and type the entire SMTP session manually :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http:

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > Real geeks use mailx. Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Steve -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + > John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 14:43, Michael Pobega wrote: > I would hate to see a graphical installer for Debian. I think the curses > installer does just fine, a graphical installer would only bring in > people thinking that Debian is Windows. The reason for having a graphical installer is that th

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > Etch has a GUI installer, really? I never noticed it. > Read those syslinux.cfg pages. you can get gui, the default curses, or even readline for use with really dumb terminals, like a teletype on serial. D

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 16:35, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I > have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with > @lists.debian.org to my Debian mai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Michael. > > Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll get out

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> I always thou

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
John K Masters wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll g

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Michael. Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply >>> All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. >>> >> Most decen

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