On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:56:29PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> I think we have to be careful when we talk about the usefulness of
> anti-malware tools and tactics.
>
> Carelessly asserting the superior inherent security of Linux based
> systems can be read as reassurance that we are invincible. Care
I think we have to be careful when we talk about the usefulness of
anti-malware tools and tactics.
Carelessly asserting the superior inherent security of Linux based
systems can be read as reassurance that we are invincible. Carelessly
acknowledging the problems with our tools can easily be read a
On 08/21/2015 09:29 AM, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote:
Well one reason is if your mail server also has webmail. Then your
users, Debian based for 90% or their time, would possibly access your
mail server from some other more virus affected OS as well. And be at
risk that way.
That begs the questio
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On 21/08/15 12:55, Frédéric Marchal wrote:
> On Friday 21 August 2015 11:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote:
>> Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at
>> 100% that the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian
>> system ?
>>
> Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at 100% that
> the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian system ?
[...]
> Should he fear viruses as much as on a Windows system ?
Wrong questions.
The question is whether an anti-virus scanner will provide extra
protection on
On Friday 21 August 2015 09:25:24 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 21 August 2015 08:53:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Frédéric Marchal wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an
> > > infected Linux com
Quoting Brian :
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 15:11:09 -0500, David Wright wrote:
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 19:24:49 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
> > Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dwijesh,
> >
> > >Hello guys. I wanted
On Friday 21 August 2015 08:53:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Frédéric Marchal wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an
> > infected Linux computer from the computer itself.
>
> The best summary so-far. Thanks f
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Frédéric Marchal wrote:
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> My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an infected
> Linux computer from the computer itself.
The best summary so-far. Thanks for it!
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On Friday 21 August 2015 11:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote:
> Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at 100% that
> the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian system ?
>
> No.
>
> Should he fear viruses as much as on a Windows system ?
>
> Certainly not.
>
> Security r
On Friday 21 August 2015 12:18:15 Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 21 August 2015 10:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote:
> > > So should you (the OP) run an AV ?
> > >
> > > Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;)
> >
> > We are all almost all agreed that he should r
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 21 August 2015 10:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote:
> > So should you (the OP) run an AV ?
> >
> > Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;)
>
> We are all almost all agreed that he should run one to protect his
> Windows using friends from viruses which m
On Friday 21 August 2015 10:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote:
> So should you (the OP) run an AV ?
>
> Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;)
We are all almost all agreed that he should run one to protect his
Windows using friends from viruses which may be contained in forwarded email.
If it also protects his own
Le 20/08/2015 20:33, Brian a écrit :
> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Le 20/08/2015 19:58, Dwijesh Gajadur a écrit :
>>> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
>>> for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the re
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> While it would be possible (though very difficult) to write malware for
> Linux the main reason why we needn't worry about it on the desktop is
> that there are so few of us using it that it not worth the criminals'
> time to create it.
>
The
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Renaud OLGIATI <
ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:33:17 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
>
> > > > Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
> > > > for
On Fri 21 Aug 2015 at 07:21:48 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:46:40PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Your point is a good one, as is John Hasler's.
> >
> > But it really doesn't matter how much malware a user has stacked up in
> > their $HOME as long as the sys
On Fri 21 Aug 2015 at 00:59:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Brian a écrit :
> > Yes. Without system integrity a user's files are worthless. Protecting
> > the system protects *all* users. That is the responsibility of the
> > administrator.
>
> So basically, yo
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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:46:40PM +0100, Brian wrote:
[...]
> Your point is a good one, as is John Hasler's.
>
> But it really doesn't matter how much malware a user has stacked up in
> their $HOME as long as the system is safe. The safeness of the
Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Brian a écrit :
> Yes. Without system integrity a user's files are worthless. Protecting
> the system protects *all* users. That is the responsibility of the
> administrator.
So basically, you are saying that protecting the system is more important
than protecting
On Fri 21 Aug 2015 at 00:19:55 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Brian a écrit :
> > But it really doesn't matter how much malware a user has stacked up in
> > their $HOME as long as the system is safe.
>
> Do you really consider that the system, mostly made from fi
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Hi,
another reason for av is PCI compliance (yes you are targeting
software for windows mainly).
In a large company I worked for previously a user recieved a mail with
some pics, downloaded and clicked around which ended up with their pc,
and every
On Thursday 20 August 2015 23:19:55 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Brian a écrit :
> > But it really doesn't matter how much malware a user has stacked up in
> > their $HOME as long as the system is safe.
>
> Do you really consider that the system, mostly made from files
Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Brian a écrit :
> But it really doesn't matter how much malware a user has stacked up in
> their $HOME as long as the system is safe.
Do you really consider that the system, mostly made from files widely
distributed, is more precious than the users' personal files
On Thursday 20 August 2015 22:46:40 Brian wrote:
> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 17:16:13 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:45:09 -0500
> >
> > John Hasler wrote:
> > > the main reason why we needn't worry about it on the desktop is
> > > that there are so few of us using it that it
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 17:16:13 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:45:09 -0500
> John Hasler wrote:
>
> > the main reason why we needn't worry about it on the desktop is
> > that there are so few of us using it that it not worth the criminals'
> > time to create it.
>
> Anothe
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:45:09 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> the main reason why we needn't worry about it on the desktop is
> that there are so few of us using it that it not worth the criminals'
> time to create it.
Another is that our systems are not nearly as standardized as those from
Redmont,
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 15:11:09 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> > On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 19:24:49 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
> > > Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Dwijesh,
> > >
> > > >Hello guys. I wanted
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 15:57:26 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:30:18 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > I refuse to take your advice to install AV software simply because
> > I have a mail server. I am not "well advised".
>
> Or you neglect your duty to the clients of your mail
While it would be possible (though very difficult) to write malware for
Linux the main reason why we needn't worry about it on the desktop is
that there are so few of us using it that it not worth the criminals'
time to create it.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
>https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/284124-myth-busting-is-linux-immune-to-viruses
Nobody serious would claim that a system like GNU/Linux can be immune.
But that doesn't mean that anti-virus software is a good way to protect
a GNU/Linux system.
Stefan
> We run a list server. Clamav and spamassassin find viruses and spam all
> the time.
Not finding spam would indeed be pretty scary.
As for finding viruses, don't forget that finding viruses is only useful
if that virus would have infected some other machine. Viruses "caught"
by anti-virus soft
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 19:24:49 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
> > Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dwijesh,
> >
> > >Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> > >linux in general. And
> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus
> for Debian?
The corresponding Debian package is `unattended-upgrades'.
Much more efficient, and much more secure.
Stefan
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 08:30:18PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 19:24:49 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
> > Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dwijesh,
> >
> > >Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> > >linu
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:30:18 +0100
Brian wrote:
> I refuse to take your advice to install AV software simply because I have a
> mail server. I am not "well advised".
Or you neglect your duty to the clients of your mail server.
Cheers,
Ron.
--
You can always rely on America do
On Thursday 20 August 2015 20:50:43 Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:33:17 +0100
> >
> > Brian wrote:
> >> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
> for
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On 21/08/15 04:50, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:33:17 +0100 Brian
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
>
Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for
Debian or for
On Thursday 20 August 2015 20:39:39 Miles Fidelman wrote:
> doug wrote:
> > On 08/20/2015 01:58 PM, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> >> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
> >> for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
> >> antivirus for Debian?
>
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:33:17 +0100
Brian wrote:
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
antivirus for Debia
doug wrote:
On 08/20/2015 01:58 PM, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
antivirus for Debian?
Thank you in advance.
With Kind Regards,
Dwijesh
I use clamav. I don't re
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 19:24:49 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
> Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
>
> Hello Dwijesh,
>
> >Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> >linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
> >antiviru
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
Hello Dwijesh,
>Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
>linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
>antivirus for Debian?
The viruses that run on linux (any distro) are few and far
On 08/20/2015 01:58 PM, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
antivirus for Debian?
Thank you in advance.
With Kind Regards,
Dwijesh
I use clamav. I don't remember ever s
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:33:17 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
> > > Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
> > > for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
> > > antivirus for Debian?
> > > Th
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le 20/08/2015 19:58, Dwijesh Gajadur a écrit :
> > Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
> > for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
> > antivirus for Debian?
> > Than
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 14:08:44 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
> Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
>
> > Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> > linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus
> > for Debian?
Hi,
Le 20/08/2015 19:58, Dwijesh Gajadur a écrit :
> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or
> for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended
> antivirus for Debian?
> Thank you in advance.
Required no, advised I guess.
https://www.linux.com/lea
On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 21:58:50 +0400, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus
> for Debian?
> Thank you in advance.
None is needed.
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400
Dwijesh Gajadur wrote:
> Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for
> linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus
> for Debian?
The only time you may want an anti-virus is when you are running a mail
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