Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-08 Thread Jillian-Beth Stamos-Kaschke
[lots of stuff snipped] > I haven't visited www.linuxchix.com lately; I'm just wondering whether > any of them runs Debian. As far as I know, there are plenty of Linuxchix members around that use Debian, myself included. I first started using Linux in 1995, mucked around with a couple of distri

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-08 Thread Oki DZ
David Blackman wrote: > > I love Debian, I use Debian, I administer Debian at my > school. Why do I use Debian? Because my school uses it. Why does my > school use it? Because they didn't like the GUIness of RedHat, and > Slackware is just too much of a hassle. Plus, they were drawn to a

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-08 Thread Oki DZ
David Blackman wrote: > > I love Debian, I use Debian, I administer Debian at my > school. Why do I use Debian? Because my school uses it. Why does my > school use it? Because they didn't like the GUIness of RedHat, and > Slackware is just too much of a hassle. Plus, they were drawn to a

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-07 Thread virtanen
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Godric wrote: > Am I alone in believing the battle is between empowerment and > profit? Not at all alone I think that there are amny, who agree with you. For me as well empowerment is the main issue. > Between an interactive computer operating system, and a > basically non

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-07 Thread Michael Steiner
Hi! Just some comments after reading the first posting and others. My english is not perfect, nor I reply exactly to this thread. I like Debian/Linux as it is. It is a wonderfull distribution allowing me to get every time when "I" want an update via Internet. (And not when others think I should

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread Randy Edwards
> the big battles and then mop up the little ones later. Get Linux on every > webserver first ... then worry about the applications and pick them off > one-by-one. I think the same logic can be used to point to the need of getting Linux to the desktop. Until serious headway is made on the d

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya george/et.al i think that debian might or might not suffer the same fate as all the other linux's - being absorbed into a commercial company or not ... ( at least the major players will be... - linux could also become the "shareware/freeware" compared to old world of

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread Godric
George Bonser wrote: > Embracing commercial software at first is the path to eventually winning. > Let the commercial vendors in ... let them penetrate deep into linux. Then > surround and destory them with free alternatives once you have them > committed to your platform or convince them of the b

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread Godric
George Bonser wrote: The computer is a tool. People often use it to get real work > done with real deadlines. Real money depends on this work. Debian offers > the best ENVORONMENT, so far, for maintaining and supporting software for > Linux in the enterprise. Not so cut-and dried. Debian offers

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread J C Lawrence
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:53:41 -0800 (PST) George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote: >> There are a great many people for whom the only particular value >> Debian brings to the table is apt-get and friends. They have no >> interest in religion, no interest

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread Brad
On Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 04:11:03PM -0500, David Blackman wrote: > Debian is a wonderful development model. Anyone can > contribute to it. Remember this statement ;) > And everything must be Free Software, Free Software in the sense that > it must be both open source, and modifiable. Open so

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread J C Lawrence
On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:51:31 +1100 Frank Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Blackman wrote: >> Lately I've been thinking about forking Debian, into DWA, meaning >> Debian Without Attitude. We'll drop the attitude, and the >> pretenses, about what Free means, and get licensing deals with

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-06 Thread aphro
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, David Blackman wrote: david >Slackware is just too much of a hassle. Plus, they were drawn to apt-get. i was drawn to debian about a year and a half ago, never touched apt-get till about 2 weeks ago! doh heheh david > No it's not. i like the idea of that, with debian's stand

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-05 Thread Ed Cogburn
> David Blackman wrote: > > Lately I've been thinking about forking Debian, into DWA, >meaning Debian Without Attitude. We'll drop the attitude, and the >pretenses, about what Free means, and get licensing deals with Corel, >Netscape, and Sun, to include Wordperfect, Communicator, and >Staro

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-05 Thread Frank Copeland
David Blackman wrote: > Lately I've been thinking about forking Debian, into DWA, >meaning Debian Without Attitude. We'll drop the attitude, and the >pretenses, about what Free means, and get licensing deals with Corel, >Netscape, and Sun, to include Wordperfect, Communicator, and >Staroffic

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-05 Thread Herbert Ho
I think you bring up many problems and issues that debian has. but i don't think any of these issues haven't been the issue of a flame war sometime or another. debian is based upon the ideal that free software should be available without sticky licensing issues so that you could do just what you'

Re: An open letter to the debian community

1999-12-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, David Blackman wrote: [ snip uninformed ranting ] : I'm going to get flamed for this. I know it. We don't want to : think we're techno-snobs. We want to think our distribution is : superior. We want to leave out KDE. We don't want Joe Blow to start : with Debian, if h