Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-20 Thread Bob McGowan
Raffaele Morelli wrote: >>> I friend of mine wants to run Dreamweaver, and I suggested wine. However >>> he had some problems (which I don't remember, and my friend is not here >>> right now). He runs Debian Unstable. >>> >> This friend knows that Dreamweaver does

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-20 Thread Raffaele Morelli
>>> I friend of mine wants to run Dreamweaver, and I suggested wine. However >>> he had some problems (which I don't remember, and my friend is not here >>> right now). He runs Debian Unstable. >>> >> This friend knows that Dreamweaver does *not* produce web-suitable HTML, >> right? (If it doesn

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-20 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Fink wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:27:27AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > >> NVU is no longer part of Debian. According to the buglist, upstream >> stop development on it. > > It restarted, but for some reason Debian seems not to have picked th

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-20 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:27:27AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > NVU is no longer part of Debian. According to the buglist, upstream > stop development on it. It restarted, but for some reason Debian seems not to have picked that up. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Matthew K Poer wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > Amaya is an open-source web browser and web development application from > the W3C, the folks that make XHTML/CSS and all that jazz. I just tried > it... it's WYSIYG plus text editing mode. It'll take a while

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Matthew K Poer wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > 3. If you simply must ignore 2, try NVU (which is based on the > original Mozilla Composer). You don't have my blessing. Is nvu standards compliant? Ultimately, that's what matters, since something's gotta r

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: >> Please suggest something that would fit the bill, rather than just >> saying "don't do that." > > But that's his standard modus operandi. Unless you want people to conjecture about how your mother raised you,

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-20 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew K Poer wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 14:11 -0400, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: >> Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: >>> Two approches: >>> 1. For creating a single web page: Try AbiWord, with the Save As >>> XHTML >>> feature. It

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Mitch Wiedemann wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > Paul Johnson wrote: >> Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote in Article >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to >> gmane.linux.debian.user: >> >> >>> I friend of mine wants to run Dreamweaver, and I suggested wine.

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:58:47 -0400 Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > 2. For creating an intricate web site, or a series of web pages, Learn > XHTML, CSS, and perhaps javascript. Code it from scratch in nano, Kate, > Gedit, whatever, because there is no WYSIWYG editor currently

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:11:32 -0400 Mitch Wiedemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Again, how would you build a large website of similar pages? > > This depends on the Web host. Some hosts offer scripting languages like > Perl, PHP, etc. > > In my case, I was able to make my switch from

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:17 -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > I'll ask him. > > On 3/19/07, Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 13:22 -0400, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: > > Has anyone ever tried Amaya from the W3c? > >

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Dan H.
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > My friend says that DW has a "template" feature that automatizes building a > website. How would you do that without DW? > > I don't know DW, I don't know web designing, but I suspect that this is > what > CSS is for, isn't it? > > Again, how would you build

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 13:22 -0400, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: Has anyone ever tried Amaya from the W3c? -- Matthew K Poer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Mitch Wiedemann
Matthew K Poer wrote: > [snip] > Absolutely. If you can learn some basic PHP, start coding by hand and > send it to your web host. > > But, again, we're looking for the least-bad WYSIWYG editor, I think, and > NVU is the only one I even know of other than mozilla composer. > > Follow up to a previ

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 14:11 -0400, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: > Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > > > > Two approches: > > 1. For creating a single web page: Try AbiWord, with the Save As > > XHTML > > feature. It tends to work well, render decently. It's fine for a quick > >

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 15:05 -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > Two approches: > 1. For creating a single web page: Try AbiWord, with the > Save As XHTML > feature. It tends to work well, render decently. It's fine for > a quick > page. Ho

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Mitch Wiedemann
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > > Two approches: > 1. For creating a single web page: Try AbiWord, with the Save As > XHTML > feature. It tends to work well, render decently. It's fine for a quick > page. However, > 2. For creating an intricate web site, or a serie

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Mitch Wiedemann
Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > > > While I haven't used DW in many years (since I realized it has serious > vendor lock-in issues) > > I didn't know that. And I suspect my friend didn't know that before he > started using DW. > Yep, back in the days of yore, I began developing a We

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
Two approches: 1. For creating a single web page: Try AbiWord, with the Save As XHTML feature. It tends to work well, render decently. It's fine for a quick page. However, 2. For creating an intricate web site, or a series of web pages, Learn XHTML, CSS, and perhaps javascript. Code it from s

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 13:22 -0400, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote in Article > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to > > gmane.linux.debian.user: > > > > > >> I friend of mine wants to run Dreamweaver, and I suggested wine. However > >> he had some

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

2007-03-19 Thread Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
While I haven't used DW in many years (since I realized it has serious vendor lock-in issues) I didn't know that. And I suspect my friend didn't know that before he started using DW. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free.

Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver

2007-03-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/07 12:22, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: >> Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote in Article >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to >> gmane.linux.debian.user: >> >> >>> I friend of mine wants to run Dreamweaver, and I suggested wine.