Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-15 Thread Bob Proulx
Don Armstrong wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > I am curious. How does knowing the names further in advance make some > > things easier? > > 1) Tools can include support for releases which are +1 and +2. > > For example, debootstrap needs to know the names of the release so you > can install it. Lot

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: > I am curious. How does knowing the names further in advance make some > things easier? 1) Tools can include support for releases which are +1 and +2. For example, debootstrap needs to know the names of the release so you can install it. Lots of other tools

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-15 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Stretch and Buster were only meant as example, please consider my > nitpick to have been: > > The name of the next release is generally known, latest by the time > of the freeze of the previous one. Sure. :-) > In this particular case the Release Team was sligh

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-15 Thread Bob Proulx
The Wanderer wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Good! Then you saw that I did answer your question! :-) > > > > As I said... The reason that KDE 4.14.3 isn't in Jessie is because > > when Jessie froze KDE 4.14.2 was the latest available. KDE 4.14.3 > > was announced on 2014-Nov-11 several days *af

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 11 dec 14, 15:18:12, Bob Proulx wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > When Testing is released as Stable a new name will be chosen for the > > > next release and that new name will become Testing. > > > > Minor nitpick: the names are already known, the release after Jes

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/11/2014 at 05:35 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > B. M. wrote: > >> The Wanderer a écrit : >> >>> I understood him as asking why freeze testing with a version >>> which excludes the latest bug fixes, when a newer version which >>> includes them is available. This is not the same as asking why >>> f

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Bob Proulx
B. M. wrote: > The Wanderer a écrit : > > I understood him as asking why freeze testing with a version which > > excludes the latest bug fixes, when a newer version which includes them > > is available. This is not the same as asking why freeze testing with a > > version which is not the newest ver

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > When Testing is released as Stable a new name will be chosen for the > > next release and that new name will become Testing. > > Minor nitpick: the names are already known, the release after Jessie > will be Stretch and then next one Buster. > > http

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:55:13, Bob Proulx wrote: > When Testing is released as Stable a new name will be chosen for the > next release and that new name will become Testing. Minor nitpick: the names are already known, the release after Jessie will be Stretch and then next one Buster. https://lists.

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 11 dec 14, 12:03:40, B. M. wrote: > > So it depends on the maintainer? Not only. > Is there any public information about how a certain maintainer thinks > about / handles that? I'd be searching the archives of: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk http:/

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/12/14 07:34, B. M. wrote: Le 11 déc. 2014 à 05:10, The Wanderer a écrit : I understood him as asking why freeze testing with a version which excludes the latest bug fixes, when a newer version which includes them is available. This is not the same as asking why freeze testing with a versi

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread B. M.
Le 11 déc. 2014 à 11:41, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 23:10:36, The Wanderer wrote: >> >> IOW, if version 2.2.4 of a program is packaged, and upstream releases >> version 2.3.0 after the freeze, it might be reasonable to stick with >> 2.2.4 in preparing testing for release - but

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 23:10:36, The Wanderer wrote: > > IOW, if version 2.2.4 of a program is packaged, and upstream releases > version 2.3.0 after the freeze, it might be reasonable to stick with > 2.2.4 in preparing testing for release - but if upstream releases 2.2.5 > as a bugfix release for the 2

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread B. M.
Le 11 déc. 2014 à 05:10, The Wanderer a écrit : > On 12/10/2014 at 03:55 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> B. M. wrote: >> >>> Bob Proulx a écrit : > >>> Thanks for the clarification, but in general I think I know how >>> Debian works. My question was more that I don't see why Debian >>> should use 4

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 03:55 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > B. M. wrote: > >> Bob Proulx a écrit : >> Thanks for the clarification, but in general I think I know how >> Debian works. My question was more that I don't see why Debian >> should use 4.14.2 or even 4.14.1 if upstream released 4.14.3 as >> the las

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
B. M. wrote: > Bob Proulx a écrit : > > B. M. wrote: > >> I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) > > > > When you say "using Debian" that is not sufficient to really describe > > what you are doing. I use Debian Stable on production servers. I > > also run Debian

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread B. M.
Le 9 déc. 2014 à 18:48, Bob Proulx a écrit : > B. M. wrote: >> I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) > > When you say "using Debian" that is not sufficient to really describe > what you are doing. I use Debian Stable on production servers. I > also run Debian

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread B. M.
Le 9 déc. 2014 à 23:49, Liam O'Toole a écrit : > On 2014-12-09, B. M. wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze >> :-) >> >> How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages >> are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-09 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2014-12-09, B. M. wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze > :-) > > How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages > are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4.14 release is 4.14.3 > > Is it true that the packages will

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Proulx
B. M. wrote: > I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) When you say "using Debian" that is not sufficient to really describe what you are doing. I use Debian Stable on production servers. I also run Debian Unstable for testing and reporting bugs before the next re

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 16:11:30, B. M. wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) > > How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages > are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4.14 release is 4.14.3 Are there any significa