[OT] Re: Android email client that does bottom posting

Le jeudi 28 avril 2022 à 12:41 +, Keith Bainbridge a écrit : > Good Evening All > > I top posted last night, in error.  Sorry > > I have asked the devs where the bottom posting setting has gone. Hello, (K9 Mail) Account Settings > Sending mail > Reply after quoted text

Re: Android apps on Debian

John Hasler writes: > Is there a simple way to run Android apps under Debian such as an > emulator? My Starlink terminal is arriving next week and it would be > convenient to be able to run the Starlink app. However, I do not have > either an IOS or an Android device. Another way is +money. It

Re: Android apps on Debian

Bijan writes: > Keep in mind the xapk/apk I saw online only had the arm64 shared > libraries. The one I have has x86 and x86_64 libraries as well as the arm ones. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-30 21:54, John Hasler wrote: I have a copy of the app. I'm not going to open a Google Play account. Keep in mind the xapk/apk I saw online only had the arm64 shared libraries. So you'll either need to get an apk with the x86/x86_64/amd64 shared libraries or add arm64 support to anb

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-30 21:54, John Hasler wrote: I have a copy of the app. I'm not going to open a Google Play account. Oh ok, you can run the emulator without app store or without signing in and use adb install the apk to the emulator, in case anbox doesn't work. Bijan

Re: Android apps on Debian

Bijan writes: > Hi, don't know how far you got with anbox, I don't have it running yet due to a dbus problem. That should clear out as soon as I reboot but I'm not ready to do that because I'm in the midst of a project with a couple of dozen documents and tabs open. > This will launch the emulat

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29 13:29, John Hasler wrote: Is there a simple way to run Android apps under Debian such as an emulator? My Starlink terminal is arriving next week and it would be convenient to be able to run the Starlink app. However, I do not have either an IOS or an Android device. Hi, don't kn

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29, John Hasler wrote: > I never intend to install any app other than the Starlink one. I'm > willing to trust it as long as what I get is in fact exactly what SpaceX > distributes: if they are going to spy on me they will have better > opportunities than that. I guess I'm asking if A

Re: Android apps on Debian

Bijan writes: > Seems the Starlink router has a web interface: I know that. It evidently does not do everything the app does. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 30/01/2022 11:39, Bijan Soleymani wrote: I think the reason it is signed by Google is that the app uses Play app signing, where google signs the app on their servers on your behalf. That way if you lose your private key, you can change it on your end, without breaking app upgrades. Play Ap

Re: Android apps on Debian

I downloaded it from apkmirror.com and got the same numbers you did plus "Verified using v4 scheme (APK Signature Scheme v4): false", "Verified for SourceStamp: true", some "Source Stamp Signer" results, and the same META-INF warnings. Looks ok, I guess. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood,

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29 13:29, John Hasler wrote: Is there a simple way to run Android apps under Debian such as an emulator? My Starlink terminal is arriving next week and it would be convenient to be able to run the Starlink app. However, I do not have either an IOS or an Android device. Just to go i

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29 17:57, Bijan Soleymani wrote:     Now, find the .obb file (usually named as “com.x.obb”) within the file and copy it into the location: /sdcard/storage/emulated/0/Android/obb/.     Lastly, install the .apk file. Within a few minutes, you would be able to run the file

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29 17:38, John Hasler wrote: Bijan writes: I don't know if they modify the apks they host but as far as I know the original apk (from the play store) will be signed by the app publisher/writer. So if they haven't removed that you can just verify the signature is from the publisher,

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29 17:25, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On 2022-01-29 15:38, John Hasler wrote: Apkpure has the Starlink app but as I had never heard of them (No reason to, not having an Android phone) I didn't download it immediately.  Are they reliable? I don't know if they modify the apks they host but

Re: Android apps on Debian

Bijan writes: > I don't know if they modify the apks they host but as far as I know > the original apk (from the play store) will be signed by the app > publisher/writer. So if they haven't removed that you can just verify > the signature is from the publisher, etc. Apkpure says that apps download

Re: Android apps on Debian

On 2022-01-29 15:38, John Hasler wrote: local10 writes: First, identify the app you want to install, then download it from apkpure ( https://apkpure.com/ ) or similar sites. Apkpure has the Starlink app but as I had never heard of them (No reason to, not having an Android phone) I didn't downl

Re: Android apps on Debian

I never intend to install any app other than the Starlink one. I'm willing to trust it as long as what I get is in fact exactly what SpaceX distributes: if they are going to spy on me they will have better opportunities than that. I guess I'm asking if Apkpure can be trusted to send me exactly wh

Re: Android apps on Debian

Jan 29, 2022, 21:33 by loca...@tutanota.com: > apkpure has been around for several years, draw any conclusion you want from > that. Google Play also isn't particularly reliable, they've hosted and > continue to host plenty of mal/spy/crap/ad/-ware aps, so just because an app > is hosted on goog

Re: Android apps on Debian

Jan 29, 2022, 20:38 by j...@sugarbit.com: > Apkpure has the Starlink app but as I had never heard of them (No reason > to, not having an Android phone) I didn't download it immediately. Are > they reliable? > apkpure has been around for several years, draw any conclusion you want from that. Goo

Re: Android apps on Debian

On Sb, 29 ian 22, 14:38:50, John Hasler wrote: > local10 writes: > > First, identify the app you want to install, then download it from > > apkpure ( https://apkpure.com/ ) or similar sites. > > Apkpure has the Starlink app but as I had never heard of them (No reason > to, not having an Android ph

Re: Android apps on Debian

local10 writes: > First, identify the app you want to install, then download it from > apkpure ( https://apkpure.com/ ) or similar sites. Apkpure has the Starlink app but as I had never heard of them (No reason to, not having an Android phone) I didn't download it immediately. Are they reliable?

Re: Android apps on Debian

Jan 29, 2022, 19:07 by j...@sugarbit.com: > Thank you both. Now to get a copy of the ("free") app without opening a > Google > Play account... > First, identify the app you want to install, then download it from apkpure ( https://apkpure.com/ ) or similar sites. That, of course, leads to some

Re: Android apps on Debian

On Sat, 2022-01-29 at 13:07 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Thank you both. Now to get a copy of the ("free") app without > opening a Google > Play account... Everything nowadays "needs" an app... I hate it.

Re: Android apps on Debian

Thank you both. Now to get a copy of the ("free") app without opening a Google Play account... -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Android apps on Debian

Le samedi 29 janvier 2022 à 12:29 -0600, John Hasler a écrit : > Is there a simple way to run Android apps under Debian such as an > emulator?  My Starlink terminal is arriving next week and it would be > convenient to be able to run the Starlink app.  However, I do not > have > either an IOS or

Re: Android apps on Debian

Jan 29, 2022, 18:29 by j...@sugarbit.com: > Is there a simple way to run Android apps under Debian such as an > emulator? My Starlink terminal is arriving next week and it would be > convenient to be able to run the Starlink app. However, I do not have > either an IOS or an Android device. > Ma

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On Mon 08 Jan 2018 at 06:59:06 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/08/2018 04:52 AM, Curt wrote: > > On 2018-01-08, SDA wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: > > > > > could you add a support for wiko

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

> ... where Linux (as an OS--yes, I see you coming from here) We usually call it GNU/Linux, Stefan

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On 01/08/2018 04:52 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-01-08, SDA wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: could you add a support for wiko I have a wiko lenny 4 plus Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 10:52, Curt wrote: > I was going to say a while back in yet another tangential digression > that the trend in personal computing (outside of the work environment, > at least) is toward mobile devices (notably smartphones) where Linux (as > an OS--yes, I see you coming from

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On 2018-01-08, SDA wrote: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: >> > could you add a support for wiko >> > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus >> >> Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port >> debian to

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 02:35:02AM +0100, arne wrote: Debian should run on the Gemini PDA, an Android handhold device. In dual boot. It is not ready yet though. Should be ready this month. This is a very interesting device (and not a joke as other commenters might have thought!) for the curious

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On 18-01-08 02:35:02, arne wrote: On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:32:25 -0500 SDA wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: > > could you add a support for wiko > > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus > > Sure! Probably a small job.

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:32:25 -0500 SDA wrote: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: > > > could you add a support for wiko > > > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus > > > > Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: > > could you add a support for wiko > > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus > > Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port > debian to android. > Well, Debian does call

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

Anders Andersson wrote: > Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port > debian to android. hahaha, great comment! don't forget to add "irony off" at the end in the spirit of this: I would love to test your patch (irony off) regards

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel wrote: > could you add a support for wiko > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port debian to android.

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

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Re: Android Studio and AVDs

Same issue here. I literally tried every suggested fix on stack overflow and it is not possible to use hardware acclaration on Debian Stretch. KVM is installed and emulator -accel-check is returning accel: 0 KVM (version 12) is installed and usable. accel But somehow Android Studio does not start

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

Gary Dale wrote: > On 03/02/17 04:52 PM, RLewis wrote: >> Gary Dale wrote: >> >>> On 02/02/17 08:03 AM, RLewis wrote: Hi Gary -- Gary Dale wrote: > On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote: >> Hello Ken and Gary -- >> >> ken wrote: >> >>> On 01/24/2017 02:38 P

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 03/02/17 04:52 PM, RLewis wrote: Gary Dale wrote: On 02/02/17 08:03 AM, RLewis wrote: Hi Gary -- Gary Dale wrote: On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote: Hello Ken and Gary -- ken wrote: On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

Gary Dale wrote: > On 02/02/17 08:03 AM, RLewis wrote: >> Hi Gary -- >> >> Gary Dale wrote: >> >>> On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote: Hello Ken and Gary -- ken wrote: > On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problem

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 02/02/17 08:03 AM, RLewis wrote: Hi Gary -- Gary Dale wrote: On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote: Hello Ken and Gary -- ken wrote: On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop.

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 02/02/17 20:38, ken wrote: > Just a quick tip for using Software Data Cable: When you fire it up > on your android, you'll get a screen helpfully telling you the ftp > command to run on the other end... but the command they give isn't > right... well, maybe it is for Windows, I don't know. What

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 01/26/2017 11:42 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 25/01/17 01:27 PM, Tony Baldwin wrote: On 01/25/2017 12:58 PM, ken wrote: On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. When I plug the pho

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

Hi Gary -- Gary Dale wrote: > On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote: >> Hello Ken and Gary -- >> >> ken wrote: >> >>> On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing >> my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. When

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote: Hello Ken and Gary -- ken wrote: On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. When I plug the phone in, I get the notification with 2 suggested a

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

Hello Ken and Gary -- ken wrote: > On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my >> Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. >> >> When I plug the phone in, I get the notification with 2 suggested >> actions. They both read "O

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

Gary Dale wrote: > the MTP is an open specification that has been around since 2008 and > Google is heavily involved with it. Have you tried jmtpfs? regards

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 25/01/17 01:27 PM, Tony Baldwin wrote: On 01/25/2017 12:58 PM, ken wrote: On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. When I plug the phone in, I get the notification with 2 sugge

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 01/25/2017 12:58 PM, ken wrote: On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. When I plug the phone in, I get the notification with 2 suggested actions. They both read "Open with Fil

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems accessing my Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop. When I plug the phone in, I get the notification with 2 suggested actions. They both read "Open with File Manager" but the first one opens

Re: Android emulator

Eclipse on Windows was something of a usable disaster, which I can't say for Android Studio, which is both a disk, CPU and memory hog. It apparently needs a lot of config to work. As far as emulator goes, I had to ditch the official emulator (rebranded QEMU), simply because I don't have hardware

Re: Android emulator

On 02/26/2016 09:03 PM, Peter Easthope wrote: Suppose a user needs one or a few Android apps but is not particularly interested in owning an Android device. Is installation of Android SDK to a small laptop and app usage there feasible? Or not worth the distraction and better to buy a tablet or s

Re: Android emulator

Reco wrote: > Luckily alternatives are exist. More important is that it's free > software alternatives. > > First one is http://android-x86.org. It's somewhat outdated Android > build for x86-64, ready to be placed in any virtual machine of your > choice. The installation and running needed apps c

Re: Android emulator

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:03:47 -0600 "Peter Easthope" wrote: > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools indiates  > that Android SDK is a rather complex beast. > > Suppose a user needs one or a few Android apps  > but is not particularly interested in owning an  > Android device.  Is installation of A

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

To whom it may concern: Has there been any movement on this "mobile Debian" movement? Tried Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 7 at one point, and although it had a decent UI, it was poorly fleshed out. Would love to have a regular copy of Debian that is touch friendly to install on mobile devices so I can

Re: android connection

Install Airdroid on your Android device and connect to it using your web browser if you are on the same network segment. Regards Johann

Re: android connection

Esther Carillo writes: > On 2014-07-12, François Patte wrote: >> I don't know anything to android but I have to connect an android >> device to a computer. > > I run a smbd server on my desktop and ES File Explorer app on my phone. > Scanning my network with the app detects the Samba share and I

Re: android connection

On 2014-07-12, François Patte wrote: > I don't know anything to android but I have to connect an android > device to a computer. I run a smbd server on my desktop and ES File Explorer app on my phone. Scanning my network with the app detects the Samba share and I can up/download files wirelessly

Re: android connection

On Sunday 13 July 2014 00.26:00 aminos wrote: > Nautilus should work fine . Just be sure to put your device as a /Media > device(MTP)/ or a /Camera (PTP)/. > > On 07/12/2014 11:06 PM, François Patte wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Bonjour, > > > > I don't know a

Re: android connection

Nautilus should work fine . Just be sure to put your device as a /Media device(MTP)/ or a /Camera (PTP)/. On 07/12/2014 11:06 PM, François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I don't know anything to android but I have to connect an android device to a computer.

RE: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

-Original Message- From: ken [mailto:geb...@mousecar.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 4:20 AM To: Doug Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ) On 10/31/2013 03:51 PM Doug wrote: > On 10/31/2013 02:56 PM, ken wrote: >> On 10/31/2013 02:0

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

Carl Fink writes: > DMCA (the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) supercedes that law and > makes it illegal again. *Only* if the manufacturer has installed "anti-circumvention technology". If they have made no attempt to prevent reading out the firmware the DMCA does not apply. I also don't thin

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:20:23AM -0400, ken wrote: > Many years ago-- well, between ten and twenty, I believe-- there was > legislation which allowed people to install any kind of phones they > wanted in their home or business. Prior to this AT&T would permit > only its own phones and phone sys

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

ken writes: > ...you bought it, it's yours, so you can do what you want with it, > including jailbreaking it. This is true, but if the manufacturer has used "anti-circumvention technology" to protect the firmware you might be violating the DMCA anti-circumvention provisions. You would not be pros

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

Hi, Dňa Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:20:23 -0400 ken napísal: > what you want with it, including jailbreaking it. But doing so would > more than likely invalidate any warrantee and support agreement that > came with the phone. I am not lawyer too, but my latest knowledge is, that this s not more true i

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 10/31/2013 05:26 PM Slavko wrote: Hi, Dňa Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:51:31 -0400 Doug napísal: I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently that it is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would be.) Perhap

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On Thursday 31 October 2013 21:26:05 Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-31, Doug wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently > > that it is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. > > (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would > > be.) > > They'd

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 10/31/2013 03:51 PM Doug wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:56 PM, ken wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken mailto:geb...@mousecar.com>> wrote: Alex, When you buy a phone with android on it, you don't have root access to the system. You

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 10/31/2013 03:36 PM Neal Murphy wrote: On Thursday, October 31, 2013 02:56:21 PM ken wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken mailto:geb...@mousecar.com>> wrote: Alex, As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of interpre

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

To the OP - Yes Android isn't open (most of it is) the drivers for radio modem and video display for example aren't neither are the Google Apps Gmail, Playstore etc. There is a team working on a pure "Open" version called Replicant. Wired magazine recently had a writeup that one interested migh

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

Hi, Dňa Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:51:31 -0400 Doug napísal: > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently that > it is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. > (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would be.) Perhaps, because this will break the back

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 2013-10-31, Doug wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently that it > is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. > (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would be.) They'd stop listening to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-

Re: ANDROID

On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 12:19 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote: > On 10/30/2013 08:10 AM, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:35:37 +1100 > > Charlie wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent > >> this: > >> > >>>The point here is that the FSF, who y

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 10/31/2013 02:56 PM, ken wrote: > On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: >> On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken > > wrote: >> >> >> Alex, >> >> As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of >> interpretations of what "free" means and its value

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 02:56:21 PM ken wrote: > On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: > > On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken > > > > wrote: > > Alex, > > > > As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of > > interpretations of wha

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken mailto:geb...@mousecar.com>> wrote: Alex, As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of interpretations of what "free" means and its value to the end user. Getting back to your original conc

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken wrote: > > Alex, > > As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of > interpretations of what "free" means and its value to the end user. Getting > back to your original concerns, here are some observations I've made about > android which indica

Re: ANDROID

shawn wilson, 29.10.2013: > > I think the most open platform to date is the Pi - there are only > certain parts of the processor that are kept under NDA. Not the most open, according to https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi (They list some alternatives too.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-us

Re: ANDROID

Andrew McGlashan, 30.10.2013: > On 30/10/2013 2:40 AM, ken wrote: > > On 10/29/2013 10:56 AM alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote: > > You might want to look at openmoko.org and openmoko.com. These offer > > smartphones with GNU/Linux from the beginning. So of course you can get > > all the source code,

Re: ANDROID

alex.pad...@laposte.net, 29.10.2013: > > I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). > Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! > What do you think about it? > Does it exist a SMARTPHONE with a system DEBIAN GNU LINUX Check out https://wiki.debian.org

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

On 10/29/2013 10:56 AM alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote: Hello to all, I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! What do you think about it? Does it exist a SMARTPHONE with a system DEBIAN GNU LINUX Thank you f

Re: ANDROID

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:05:49 +0400 Reco wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:21:26PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > GNU are free to express their option about 'freeness' of Debian. > > > GNU are free to make their distribution based on Debian suited to their > > > > Okay, and I am free to express my

Re: ANDROID

On 10/30/2013 08:35 AM Charlie wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent this: >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the right kind of nuts", *discourages* you from using Debian. Celejar Not me. That might be your interpret

Re: ANDROID

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:21:26PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > GNU are free to express their option about 'freeness' of Debian. > > GNU are free to make their distribution based on Debian suited to their > > Okay, and I am free to express my opinion about FSF's stance on > freeness and Debian. > >

Re: ANDROID

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:21:19 +1100 Charlie wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:10:46 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent > this: > > >I would say that the repeated assertions of 'problems' with > >Debian and the explanation that it doesn't "follow the guidelines" and > >"falls short" constitute

Re: ANDROID

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:19:32 +0400 Reco wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:40:27AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:17:32 +1100 > > Charlie wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:59:10 +0400 "Reco recovery...@gmail.com" sent > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, Oct 29,

Re: ANDROID

Le 30.10.2013 19:53, Reco a écrit : Yet, Linux kernel is not written in pure K&R C. Linux kernel is written with GCC in mind, and actively uses GCC's extensions to C89 (or C99, memory fails me) standard. So I apologize. I won't even try, since even with the GNU tools given by the gentoo ins

Re: ANDROID

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:10:46 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent this: >I would say that the repeated assertions of 'problems' with >Debian and the explanation that it doesn't "follow the guidelines" and >"falls short" constitutes discouragement. > >Celejar I don't actually see it as a dis

Re: ANDROID

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:40:27AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:17:32 +1100 > Charlie wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:59:10 +0400 "Reco recovery...@gmail.com" sent > > this: > > > > > > > >On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:25:06PM -0400, Doug wrote: > > >> I think these FSF guys

Re: ANDROID

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:17:41PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 30.10.2013 18:44, Curt a écrit : > > Good. You did not forgot the "GNU" before "make". It simply means > that there are a lot of "make" tools. And you know what? > > Wikipedia > >POSIX includes standardizati

Re: ANDROID

On 10/30/2013 01:19 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote: > On 10/30/2013 08:10 AM, Celejar wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:35:37 +1100 >> Charlie wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent >>> this: >>> >>> >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the

Re: ANDROID

Le 30.10.2013 18:44, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-30, Conrad Nelson wrote: 4. The FSF is irrelevant to the development of Linux itself. Linux isn't even a GNU-based project. It simply makes use of the GNU toolchain (And even that's not a requirement.) How would the linux kernel be developed

Re: ANDROID

Doug writes: > I think these FSF guys are nuts! They are definitely /not/ for > freedom--they would, if they could, prohibit people and Linux > distros from including software that people want, and in many, if > not most, cases, need. Bah! If people want to use some software, it does not mean th

Re: ANDROID

Le 30.10.2013 18:00, Conrad Nelson a écrit : So far I've read nothing but bad advice for the OP in this thread. Oh? So, do you have any feedback about mozilla OS? Does it really works so bad? I'm interested, I have never seen any, but must admit that I hope that it'll be different from other

Re: ANDROID

On 2013-10-30, Conrad Nelson wrote: > 4. The FSF is irrelevant to the development of Linux itself. Linux isn't > even a GNU-based project. It simply makes use of the GNU toolchain (And > even that's not a requirement.) How would the linux kernel be developed without the gnu development tools?

Re: ANDROID

On 10/30/2013 08:10 AM, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:35:37 +1100 Charlie wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent this: >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the right kind of nuts", *discourages* you from using Debia

Re: ANDROID

On 10/29/2013 11:23 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 10:56 -0400, alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote: I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! What do you think about it? http

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