On April 18, 2019 7:56:06 PM Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 4/17/19 5:57 AM, songbird wrote:
what? synaptic is a GUI interface to package installation
and removal. why should this block anything? dpkg and apt
do those tasks just fine in a terminal. i only used synaptic
in the past to get a qu
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>
>>what? synaptic is a GUI interface to package installation
>> and removal. why should this block anything? dpkg and apt
>> do those tasks just fine in a terminal. i only used synaptic
>> in the past to get a quick access to lists of files installed
On 4/17/19 5:57 AM, songbird wrote:
what? synaptic is a GUI interface to package installation
and removal. why should this block anything? dpkg and apt
do those tasks just fine in a terminal. i only used synaptic
in the past to get a quick access to lists of files installed
and locations
On 17/4/19 5:26 pm, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Keith Bainbridge writes:
I see the point that people who like gnome should be allowed to use it
-
so withdraw the drop gnome from debian. I believe the change to the
subject line will keep the discussion together. I'll re-send if it
opens a new topic.
On 18/4/19 5:11 am, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the magic Super key, and / or how do I find it on a typical 104 (or
similar) key keyboard?
It is another 'shift' key, like ctrl, alt. Generally near the left set
of these. My laptop also has a fn key here. It can be set to act on
its ow
On 4/16/19 11:32 PM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
I tried java about 15 years ago, and failed miserably. Perhaps a bad
choice, but what the Uni course I was trying to get into required. I can
write a script and alias's in .bashrc, the odd macro in Calc. I keep
telling my friends it's never too late
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 01:32:38 PM Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> You press the magic Super key,
What is the magic Super key, and / or how do I find it on a typical 104 (or
similar) key keyboard?
> then type "Terminal" on the keyboard (or
> at least the beginning), then press Enter. GNOME feel
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 11:13 AM 황병희
wrote:
> > So, I am asking that gnome be dropped as an installation option (not
>
> FYI; Ubuntu 18.04 use GNOME as default desktop. Ah yes i'm fan of GNOME.
>
Only if it's called "Ubuntu". One of my Machines runs Xubuntu, with
XFCE. And there are quite a var
> So, I am asking that gnome be dropped as an installation option (not
FYI; Ubuntu 18.04 use GNOME as default desktop. Ah yes i'm fan of GNOME.
Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea.
--
^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//
Gene Heskett wrote:
...
> This is still wheezy, because except for firefox, it Just Works. Theres
> another 2T drive with the latest stretch installed on it in this machine
> and I was in the process of moving my stuff to it with the intention of
> updating to Buster when it was declared stable
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 07:11:52AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "R" == Reco writes:
>
> R> That's very simplistic point of view. What about Wayland on
> R> non-x86, like ARM or MIPS (a hint - it does not work there, X
> R> does)?
>
> MIPS (Silicon Graphics), SPARC (Sun)...
A good p
On 17/4/19 9:37 am, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:54:02 +1000
Keith Bainbridge wrote:
I've never been a fan of gnome, and I can only say that in the beginning
it was simply because I didn't yet know about themes etc. I settled for
KDE, in the 1990's. I now know that it was the
On Wednesday 17 April 2019 03:17:22 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Gene Heskett writes:
> > On Tuesday 16 April 2019 13:32:38 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett writes:
> >> > Where the heck in its confusing menu's can I find a tab
> >> > supporting terminal so I can get something done? Go ahead
On 2019-04-16, Matthew Crews wrote:
>
> On this mailing list, though, I could see a progression from "why is
> synaptic removed from Debian Buster?" to "Lets remove Gnome", hence why
> I brought it up.
You saw an obvious troll post supported by a large party of one and
decided to run with it, in
Keith Bainbridge writes:
> I see the point that people who like gnome should be allowed to use it
> -
> so withdraw the drop gnome from debian. I believe the change to the
> subject line will keep the discussion together. I'll re-send if it
> opens a new topic.
Why should GNOME not stay the defa
Gene Heskett writes:
> On Tuesday 16 April 2019 13:32:38 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> Gene Heskett writes:
>> > Where the heck in its confusing menu's can I find a tab supporting
>> > terminal so I can get something done? Go ahead, find it, my coffee
>> > needs to cool anyway..
>>
>> You press the ma
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:58:34 +1000
Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> On 17/4/19 12:06 am, Reco wrote:
> > They write and distribute free (as in freedom) software. It's
> > popular, whenever it's due to the design or in spite of it.
>
> I happened across this a Wikipedia while clarifying another commen
> "R" == Reco writes:
R> That's very simplistic point of view. What about Wayland on
R> non-x86, like ARM or MIPS (a hint - it does not work there, X
R> does)?
MIPS (Silicon Graphics), SPARC (Sun)...
--
/\ ___Ubuntu: ancient
/___/\_|_|\_|__
On 17/4/19 3:53 am, Matthew Crews wrote:
As long as the Debian installer gives us a choice (and
as long as a variety of Live images for each major DE are available), it
doesn't really matter in the end.
I do not think that Gnome should be removed from Debian as long as Gnome
works fine. As far a
On 17/4/19 12:06 am, Reco wrote:
They write and distribute free (as in freedom) software. It's popular,
whenever it's due to the design or in spite of it.
I happened across this a Wikipedia while clarifying another comment here:
<<
GNOME 3 is the default desktop environment on many major Linux
On 16/4/19 9:01 pm, Reco wrote:
And for those there should be at least a good document about doing
it.
Agreed.
+1 - as long as somebody with a good dollop of Asperger syndrome can
interpret it.
--
Keith Bainbridge
ke1th3...@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468
On 16/4/19 8:38 pm, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
I say this is NOT freedom.
R> The usual arguments apply. Don't like it - patch it. Patches are
R> welcome.
Say, "can you translate Odissey from ancient greek to Rovigo dialect?"
That is a petty example (if you can, my kudos!), patching is not a
thi
Reco writes:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:54:02PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
>> On 15/4/19 9:31 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:> Because GNOME. GNOME's upstream
>> said their word loud and clear, and that
>> > word is - 'thou shall use Wayland for it is our favorite toy now'.
>
> I
On Tue, 2019-04-16 at 18:48 +, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-04-16, Matthew Crews wrote:
> > This all stems back to Synaptic being removed from Debian Buster
> > right?
> > Well, all someone needs to do is update Synaptic with proper Wayland
> > support. But judging by the upstream development, it app
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:54:02 +1000
Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> Good afternoon
>
>
> I've copied 2 bits from the discussion on synaptic and adding my 2 bobs'
> worth towards the next review of whether gnome remains the default desktop.
>
>
>
> On 15/4/19 9:31 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:> Becau
On Tuesday 16 April 2019 14:13:31 Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Di, Apr 16, 2019 at 07:53:40 +0200, Matthew Crews wrote:
> >Off the top of my head, Fedora, SUSE and Ubuntu (as of 18.10) use
> >Wayland by default.
>
> I thought Ubuntu dropped Wayland and returned to X11?
>
> Concerning Wayland: as long
On Tuesday 16 April 2019 13:32:38 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Gene Heskett writes:
> > Where the heck in its confusing menu's can I find a tab supporting
> > terminal so I can get something done? Go ahead, find it, my coffee
> > needs to cool anyway..
>
> You press the magic Super key, then type "Te
On Tuesday 16 April 2019 12:54:00 Matthew Crews wrote:
> On 4/16/19 6:54 AM, Reco wrote:
> >> I see Linus is drifting back to his older style, issuing the
> >> desktop people a whipping they are in need of over the weekend,
> >> saying 90% of why linux doesn't control the desktop is that there
> >
On 2019-04-16, Matthew Crews wrote:
>
> This all stems back to Synaptic being removed from Debian Buster right?
> Well, all someone needs to do is update Synaptic with proper Wayland
> support. But judging by the upstream development, it appears that
> Synaptic might be abandoned?
> https://launc
On 16.04.2019 22:54, Matthew Crews wrote:
> I will concede that as long as Nvidia drivers do not play nicely with
> Wayland (and they don't AFAIK), X will still be required. But I did just
> read that Plasma 5.16 landed Nvidia patches that let it work under
> Wayland with Nvidia, so maybe not that
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 07:54:18PM +0200, Matthew Crews wrote:
> I will concede that as long as Nvidia drivers do not play nicely with
> Wayland (and they don't AFAIK), X will still be required.
That's very simplistic point of view.
What about Wayland on non-x86, like ARM or MIPS (a hint - it does
On Di, Apr 16, 2019 at 07:53:40 +0200, Matthew Crews wrote:
Off the top of my head, Fedora, SUSE and Ubuntu (as of 18.10) use
Wayland by default.
I thought Ubuntu dropped Wayland and returned to X11?
Concerning Wayland: as long as it doesn’t have some kind of X11
forwarding feature (easy to u
On 4/16/19 10:36 AM, Reco wrote:
>> The major DEs are all pushing for the move to Wayland,
>
> All two of them, I assume?
Call me lazy, but I'm not going to cite every article under the Sun
explaining why we *should* be moving to Wayland over X. Here are a few
starting points.
https://en.wikiped
On 4/16/19 10:36 AM, Reco wrote:
>> The major DEs are all pushing for the move to Wayland,
>
> All two of them, I assume?
Call me lazy, but I'm not going to cite every article under the Sun
explaining why we *should* be moving to Wayland over X. Here are a few
starting points.
https://en.wikiped
Gene Heskett writes:
> Where the heck in its confusing menu's can I find a tab supporting
> terminal so I can get something done? Go ahead, find it, my coffee needs
> to cool anyway..
You press the magic Super key, then type "Terminal" on the keyboard (or
at least the beginning), then press Enter.
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 06:54:00PM +0200, Matthew Crews wrote:
> On 4/16/19 6:54 AM, Reco wrote:
> >> I see Linus is drifting back to his older style, issuing the desktop
> >> people a whipping they are in need of over the weekend, saying 90% of
> >> why linux doesn't control the des
On 4/16/19 6:54 AM, Reco wrote:
>> I see Linus is drifting back to his older style, issuing the desktop
>> people a whipping they are in need of over the weekend, saying 90% of
>> why linux doesn't control the desktop is that there is not a
>> standardized, one size fits all because it can do al
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:54:06AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Like, for example, fvwm has an installed-size of
> about 6.5 megabytes. How big is GNOME? I wouldn't be surprised if it's
> two orders of magnitude larger than that, just for its "core" components,
> not counting a bunc
> "R" == Reco writes:
>> Add one more reason to use X.
R> My main reason to continue to use X in buster. I got used to my
R> openbox setup.
Same here. Switched to WindoMaker in 1996 because we had only 256
colors available and it could "render many color using a little number
of elements i
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 03:41:28PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> Not sure what this is about.
> Isn't a desktop manager, display environment whatever its called a way to
> present icons that you can click on and it starts a program you want to use
> and then gets out of the way ?
A window manager is
Not sure what this is about.
Isn't a desktop manager, display environment whatever its called a way
to present icons that you can click on and it starts a program you want
to use and then gets out of the way ?
Is this about having common libraries that control what appears on the
screen ?
Am I
On Tuesday 16 April 2019 09:54:19 Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 09:35:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > R> The usual arguments apply. Don't like it - patch it. Patches
> > > > are R> welcome.
> >
> > I wondered how long it would take for that phrase to emerge, so
> > e
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:35:29PM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "R" == Reco writes:
>
>
> R> As we saw two weeks ago, the decision to run GNOME on Wayland
> R> backfired at synaptic. To rephrase, why bother running X if there
> R> are no applications left to run on X?
>
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 09:35:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > R> The usual arguments apply. Don't like it - patch it. Patches are
> > > R> welcome.
>
> I wondered how long it would take for that phrase to emerge, so everyone
> in a position of control can hide behind it yet ag
On Tuesday 16 April 2019 07:01:25 Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:38:38AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > > "R" == Reco writes:
>
> I *have* to object to this ☺ In C this comparison equals false.
> Have you meant '"R" = Reco' (i.e. assignment)?
>
> > R> No. What I
> "R" == Reco writes:
R> As we saw two weeks ago, the decision to run GNOME on Wayland
R> backfired at synaptic. To rephrase, why bother running X if there
R> are no applications left to run on X?
Because I like and I use a lot remote display. Because I prefer it
user program.
If you have
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 02:54:02
> From: Keith Bainbridge
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: A call to drop gnome
> Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 07:12:08 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Good afternoon
>
>
> I've
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:38:38AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "R" == Reco writes:
I *have* to object to this ☺ In C this comparison equals false.
Have you meant '"R" = Reco' (i.e. assignment)?
> R> No. What I wrote that for several years you had the possibility to
> R
> "AS" == Andy Smith writes:
AS> Hello, On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:54:02PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge
AS> wrote:
>> I say this is NOT freedom.
>>
>> Of course new users accept the defaults on a fresh install - I
>> guess that like me 20 years ago, they presume the defaults will
>> work best.
>>
> "R" == Reco writes:
R> No. What I wrote that for several years you had the possibility to
R> run GNOME on Wayland. And it will be the default in the next stable
R> Debian. Because (and here you're correct) - upstream wants that
R> everyone use the GNOME that way.
As long as using X is su
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:54:02PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> Good afternoon
[...]
> On 15/4/19 9:31 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:> Because GNOME. GNOME's
> upstream said their word loud and clear, and that
> > word is - 'thou shall use Wayland for it is our favorite toy now'.
As Reco said,
Hello,
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:54:02PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> I say this is NOT freedom.
>
> Of course new users accept the defaults on a fresh install - I guess that
> like me 20 years ago, they presume the defaults will work best.
>
>
> So, I am asking that gnome be dropped as an
Hi.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:54:02PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> On 15/4/19 9:31 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:> Because GNOME. GNOME's upstream
> said their word loud and clear, and that
> > word is - 'thou shall use Wayland for it is our favorite toy now'.
I wrote it, in reply to Th
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