Peter Tenenbaum writes:
> First, I intend to build a home computer which will run linux, and
> it will be 64-bit; since I'm quite new to maintaining my own linux
> computers, I'd rather limit the number of differences between the
> home machine and my portable.
Hi PT,
In regards to Debian, don'
On 5/5/2010 8:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
BTW, my Shuttle box has also a ram limitation of 2 GiB (and currently
using only 1 GiB) but has installed "amd64". It runs fine, without
noticeable drawbacks.
A concern was "future-proofing". More than one GB is not needed now.
What about later?
--
On Wed, 05 May 2010 08:56:48 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
>
> The question, though, is: "What -- beyond geekness -- is the
> *benefit* of amd64 in 'low' RAM systems?"
I did some tests with my most used apps (gcc, tar, bzip2...) about 2 and
a half year ago with i386 and amd64-kernels. Nearly th
Ron Johnson put forth on 5/5/2010 8:56 AM:
> On 05/05/2010 08:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
>>
>>> right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
>>> my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
>>
>> 64-bits kernels a
On Wed, 05 May 2010 08:56:48 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/05/2010 08:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
>>
>>> right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os
>>> on my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
>>
>> 64-b
On 05/05/2010 08:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
64-bits kernels are not only intended for systems with tons of ram. Those
ke
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
> right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
> my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
64-bits kernels are not only intended for systems with tons of ram. Those
kernels usually have enabled the "nx bit"
On 05/05/2010 08:02 AM, deloptes wrote:
Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
I did it and I am sure it's faster and works much better together. It could
be also subjective opinion but I
Alex Samad wrote:
>
> right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
> my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
>
>
I did it and I am sure it's faster and works much better together. It could
be also subjective opinion but I don't think I'm wrong
regards.
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 00:43 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 11:41 PM:
> > On 5/3/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >> Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
> >>
[snip]
> Correct in that one should get 4GB on a netbook due to 64bit binary size?
> Or correct
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> I listed the machine closest to your requirements in my last email. It
> meets all your requirements but for the 2MB L2 cache. TTBOMK, there are
> no
> netbooks with 2MB L2 cpu cache. Neither AMD nor Intel make a CPU with 2MB
> L2 cache for this class of machines.
>
y
On 5/4/2010 12:43 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Please do not try to insult. It is not really useful, and wastes time.
Apologies. It wasn't meant as an insult but as an exclamation point backing
incredulity.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 11:41 PM:
> On 5/3/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
>>
>>> With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
>>> machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
>>
>> A user's application usage patterns dicta
On 5/3/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the width of the C
deloptes put forth on 5/3/2010 7:44 PM:
> So the question is, if
> someone knows of a netbook (that is _64bit) and can be used for development
> (i.e. has 2gb ram and i.e. 2m cache) this would be exactly perfect for me.
I listed the machine closest to your requirements in my last email. It
meets
deloptes put forth on 5/3/2010 6:20 PM:
> I've noticed that there is only 512K cache in the most netbooks which makes
> then unsuitable for development. ATM this is stopping me from buying one.
> Do you know if there are some with larger cache?
The Celeron/M based netbooks have 1MB L2 cache. The
On 05/03/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the width of the
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
> With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
> machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the width of the CPU registers. The comment above belongs in
Ron Johnson put forth on 5/3/2010 4:21 PM:
> On 05/03/2010 04:13 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
>> size is not one of them, _at_least_for_me_. They are too small. The
>> screens are too small for my eyesight, the keyboards
On 05/03/2010 09:26 PM, Alex Samad wrote:
[snip]
I find with my atom, using syncplaces (a firefox addin), which encrypts
its files - it takes for ever, I am guess i am missing some of those
nice cpu op's that speed these things up.
AMD & Intel's low-power CPUs need encryption engines just lik
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 20:55 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/03/2010 06:20 PM, deloptes wrote:
> > Mark Allums wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > Do you know if there are some with larger cache?
> >
>
> Just as a Mini Cooper isn't a dragster or a lorry, netbooks are not
> *designed* for heavy computation
On 05/03/2010 06:20 PM, deloptes wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
I also found that people underestimate the importance of L2/3 cache. I'm
compiling very often and it's really faster on my deve
Mark Allums wrote:
>
> I do not know, but I would guess that it is dependent on the CPU. A
> particular ARM or Atom chip may have a particular amount of on-chip cache.
>
> Choosing one's machine carefully would include knowing what type of CPU
> is in it.
>
> MAA
Good point, thanks!
I've com
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 12:17:54PM -0700, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
> I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install Debian
> linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses an
> AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The Gateway LT21
> looks li
On 5/3/2010 6:20 PM, deloptes wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
I also found that people underestimate the importance of L2/3 cache. I'm
compiling very often and it's really faster on my develop
Mark Allums wrote:
> With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
> machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
>
I also found that people underestimate the importance of L2/3 cache. I'm
compiling very often and it's really faster on my developer's notebook with
4M cache then o
On 5/3/2010 5:02 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Monday 03 May 2010 22:13:05 Mark Allums wrote:
Most netbooks (at least the ones I have seen) are relatively flimsy.
They are not "almost-handheld". They are much larger than that.
I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
size is
On Monday 03 May 2010 22:13:05 Mark Allums wrote:
> Most netbooks (at least the ones I have seen) are relatively flimsy.
>
> They are not "almost-handheld". They are much larger than that.
>
> I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
> size is not one of them, _at_least
On 5/3/2010 4:29 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
Hi, everyone --
I guess I should clarify my desirement for 64-bit. There are two things
here. First, I intend to build a home computer which will run linux,
and it will be 64-bit; since I'm quite new to maintaining my own linux
computers, I'd rather
Hi, everyone --
I guess I should clarify my desirement for 64-bit. There are two things
here. First, I intend to build a home computer which will run linux, and it
will be 64-bit; since I'm quite new to maintaining my own linux computers,
I'd rather limit the number of differences between the ho
On 05/03/2010 04:13 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
size is not one of them, _at_least_for_me_. They are too small. The
screens are too small for my eyesight, the keyboards are too small for
my hands, and so on.
YMMV, I suppose.
On 5/3/2010 3:54 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/02/2010 10:39 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 9:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook just isn't as physically in
danger of cracking in your knapsack as a 15" or 17" laptop.
I have no idea what you even mean by that
On 05/02/2010 10:39 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 9:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I
can
see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from experience.
Weight?
On 05/02/2010 10:53 PM, Mark wrote:
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook just isn't as physically in danger
of cracking in your knapsack as a 15" or 17" laptop.
My girlfriend's Dell Mini's screen got cracked on a recent trip even though
Le Sun, 2 May 2010 12:17:54 -0700,
Peter Tenenbaum a écrit :
> I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
> Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which
> uses an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions?
> The Gateway LT21 looks like
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Size. A little almost-handheld netbook just isn't as physically in danger
> of cracking in your knapsack as a 15" or 17" laptop.
>
>
My girlfriend's Dell Mini's screen got cracked on a recent trip even though
we had it in a protective case a
On 5/2/2010 9:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from experience.
Weight?
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook ju
On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 21:35 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/02/2010 09:12 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
> > On 5/2/2010 6:47 PM, Celejar wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
> >> Mark Allums wrote:
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
On 05/02/2010 09:12 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 6:47 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
...
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
see in a netb
On 5/2/2010 6:47 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
...
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from exper
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
...
> Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
> much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
> see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from experience.
Weight? I haven't done
On 5/2/2010 2:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The
Gateway LT21 looks like just what I want in term
On 05/02/2010 04:05 PM, Victor Padro wrote:
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/02/2010 02:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
an AMD64-cla
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/02/2010 02:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
>> Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
>> an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any
On 05/02/2010 02:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The
Gateway LT21 looks like just what I want in t
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