Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-03 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2004-06-03, Tim Connors penned: > > Spammers already break so many laws[1] that if if was easy to catch > them (and it is[2]), something would be done about them, if law > enforcement cared at all. > Speaking of spamming, please don't CC me. It's against the list policy, I already get your mis

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread dking
Keeping spam out of my inbox is easy; I just delete every email that has a link to a known spam site in the body before it goes through my other regex filters; If they do not add a site for the product they are trying to sell (and that's rare) the other filters get it easily, after the first co

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread Tim Connors
"Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:24:20 -0600: > On 2004-06-02, Tim Connors penned: > > > > If challenge response ever becomes ubiquitous, then spammers will > > trivially be able to verify the responses without providing their own > > email address. They will simpl

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread John Hasler
Rob writes: > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/05/27/tech.spam.reut No cracked machines involved. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread Rob Sims
On Wednesday 02 June 2004 11:25 am, John Hasler wrote: > monique writes: > > At least that method of circumvention is a serious legal offense ... > > If so why have none been prosecuted for it? http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/05/27/tech.spam.reut/ -- Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMA

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread John Hasler
monique writes: > At least that method of circumvention is a serious legal offense ... If so why have none been prosecuted for it? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2004-06-02, Tim Connors penned: > > If challenge response ever becomes ubiquitous, then spammers will > trivially be able to verify the responses without providing their own > email address. They will simply do what the currently do - open up > millions of backdoors on cracked computers, go thro

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-02 Thread Tom Allison
Tim Connors wrote: richard lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:36:59 -0400: Wow, what nice spammers you meet: give you real addresses. Mine all use fake sending addresses, so would never receive any challenge I sent. If challenge response ever becomes ubiquitous, then spammers

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-01 Thread Tim Connors
richard lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:36:59 -0400: > On Tuesday 01 June 2004 08:29, Tom Allison wrote: > [...] > > They are also a pain in the neck when you get a CR sent to a > > mailing list. > > > > But most importantly, and this is from personal experience here, > > they

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-01 Thread Steve Lamb
richard lyons wrote: > Wow, what nice spammers you meet: give you real addresses. Mine all > use fake sending addresses, so would never receive any challenge I > sent. In fact, that is why I always thought some sort of challenge > system would be effective - it would remove 99% of the spam tha

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-01 Thread richard lyons
On Tuesday 01 June 2004 08:29, Tom Allison wrote: [...] > They are also a pain in the neck when you get a CR sent to a > mailing list. > > But most importantly, and this is from personal experience here, > they are not very useful. I played with a CR mechanism for a few > months on my own mail ser

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-06-01 Thread Tom Allison
Adam Aube wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Now for anybody else considering challenge-response email systems, this is why they're considered harmful. How are they any more harmful than autoresponders or list subscription confirmations (like those used by the Debian lists)? Adam Subscription Confirmati

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-30 Thread Brian Nelson
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> Now for anybody else considering challenge-response email systems, >>> this is why they're considered harmful. >> >> How are they any more harmful than autoresponders or list subscripti

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-30 Thread richard lyons
On Saturday 29 May 2004 22:08, Adam Aube wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Now for anybody else considering challenge-response email > > systems, this is why they're considered harmful. > > How are they any more harmful than autoresponders or list > subscription confirmations (like those used by the

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Now for anybody else considering challenge-response email systems, >> this is why they're considered harmful. > > How are they any more harmful than autoresponders or list subscription > confirmations (like those used by the Debian l

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-29 Thread Adam Aube
Paul Johnson wrote: > Now for anybody else considering challenge-response email systems, > this is why they're considered harmful. How are they any more harmful than autoresponders or list subscription confirmations (like those used by the Debian lists)? Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAI

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-28 Thread Paul Johnson
"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Incoming from Paul Johnson: >> Spam Interceptor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > This is Skot Oakley. I am running Spam Interceptor to get rid of >> > junk email. Please follow this link to verify that the message you >> >> Now for anybody else consi

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-28 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Paul Johnson: > Spam Interceptor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This is Skot Oakley. I am running Spam Interceptor to get rid of > > junk email. Please follow this link to verify that the message you > > Now for anybody else considering challenge-response email systems, > this is

Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful

2004-05-28 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 10:45:57AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > Spam Interceptor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This is Skot Oakley. I am running Spam Interceptor to get rid of > > junk email. Please follow this link to verify that the message you > > sent me isn't junk email. > > > > http://si