"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you keep /usr as a separate partition from /, then you may find your
> $BLOATED_PREFERRED_EDITOR isn't available. In this case, familiarity
> with a traditional 'Nix editor such as vi may be a very valuable skill.
I still remember when it was go
on Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:43:20PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Actually, there is also a reason to teach 'vi' in classes like that. We
> > all have our own personal preferences when it comes to editors, but the
> > reality still is that quite often when a system is half b
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:52:01PM -0600, Nitebirdz wrote:
>
> Mind you, you can install "apt" for RPM and it works just fine too. Of
> course, the amount of software currently available from the repositories
> is not nearly as large as in the case of Debian, and there is no way you
> can do a di
On Saturday 17 January 2004 03:12, Carl Fink wrote:
[...]
> They're both partial knockoffs of WordStar, [...]
One of the things I love about this list is these attacks of
nostalgia...
Wordstar... and giving up 8" floppies for those miniature 5 1/4"
ones...
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:43:20PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > Actually, there is also a reason to teach 'vi' in classes like that. We
> > all have our own personal preferences when it comes to editors, but the
> > reality still is that quite often when a system is half broken in single
> >
> Actually, there is also a reason to teach 'vi' in classes like that. We
> all have our own personal preferences when it comes to editors, but the
> reality still is that quite often when a system is half broken in single
> user mode and one needs to edit this or that file to bring it back to lif
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:33:18AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> My first exposure to a full-screen editor other than vi or emacs was the
> Borland Turbo C 1.0 IDE. It wasn't modal, and the cursor keys worked. It
> was more or less love at first keystroke. (For those who haven't come
> across it: DOS's E
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 12:21:09PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-01-16, Pigeon penned:
> > I hate both of 'em. If all I've got is the "standard tools", I use ed.
> > I find it *much* less painful than using vi. Or emacs. Seriously.
> >
> What's your preferred choice?
My first exposure
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> What's your preferred choice?
I use both vim and XEmacs daily. Been using vi/vim for 7+ years and
XEmacs for the last 14 months or so. There was some annoyance for about
four or five weeks as I'd use vi commands in emacs and emacs commands in
vi
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:07:48 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
>
> See above reference to proper usage of the 'find' command. It really
> comes in handy in situations like this. :) <- Once again. Smiley. Joke.
> Ha ha. Funny. Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseaum. Need I go on? :)
I owe you an apology. I shou
On 2004-01-16, Pigeon penned:
>
>
> I hate both of 'em. If all I've got is the "standard tools", I use ed.
> I find it *much* less painful than using vi. Or emacs. Seriously.
>
>
What's your preferred choice?
I'm just now reading the chapter comparing editors (A Tale of Five
Editors) in ESR's new
Micha Feigin wrote:
...
advantages. vi (not vim) I haven't fully figured out yet. Mostly the
part about deleting text (the backspace functionality), and while I am
...
just check any vi quick reference, in command mode us x (backspace),
X (delete), d and move command etc.
In insert mode backs
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:47:34PM -0600, Nitebirdz wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:24:17AM +, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:19, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> > > I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and
> > > using Linux. After talking with th
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:08:33 -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:11:55PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
>
>> Firstly, you are not going to make many friends by dissing what many
>> long-time Unix programmers regard as the best test editor going. So you
>> can pretty much assume, as
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > So, differences? It's an RPM-based distro. Yes, you can use "apt"
> > these
>
> AFAIK fedora is not exactly RPM based anymore. They adopted an apt-like
> system (don't know where it is located between original RPM and APT).
Fedora is still RPM based
Micha Feigin writes:
> AFAIK fedora is not exactly RPM based anymore. They adopted an apt-like
> system (don't know where it is located between original RPM and APT).
That does not make it not RPM-based any more than Apt makes Debian not
dpkg-based. Apt is a front-end for packaging systems.
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On Friday 16 January 2004 16:37, Micha Feigin wrote:
[...]
> vi (not vim) I haven't fully figured out yet. Mostly the
> part about deleting text (the backspace functionality), and while I
> am on the subject I'll be happy if someone could drop me a hint.
[...]
Now we're really OT. I still mostly
> I am guessing that everyone is talking about vim and not vi. I am using
> both vim and emacs about equally since each one of them has its
> advantages. vi (not vim) I haven't fully figured out yet. Mostly the
> part about deleting text (the backspace functionality), and while I am
> on the subjec
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:41:42PM -0600, Nitebirdz wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:19:54AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> >
> > So, with all of that said, what can I expect in the way of differences.
> > I have already confirmed with him that any and all GUI tools will NOT be
> > used for an
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:07:48AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 14:11, Paul Morgan wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:19:54 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> >
> > > I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> > > Linux. After talking with the p
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:19:54 -0600
From: Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> . . . I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for
the purposes of labs, tests, etc. As illustrated by the previous
sentence, I'm an emacs user.
{SNIP}
> . . . Any and all tips are welcome.
Here's one: _
> See above reference to proper usage of the 'find' command. It really
> comes in handy in situations like this. :) <- Once again. Smiley. Joke.
> Ha ha. Funny. Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseaum. Need I go on? :)
has it not occurred to you that what you find funny, others might find
offensive, irritatin
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:11:55PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> Firstly, you are not going to make many friends by dissing what many
> long-time Unix programmers regard as the best test editor going. So you
> can pretty much assume, as a result, that at least 50% of vi geeks are not
> going to be
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 14:11, Paul Morgan wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:19:54 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
>
> > I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> > Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few
> > details. First, I have to use V
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:19:54 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few
> details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for
> the purposes of
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:19:54AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few
> details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for
> the purpos
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 05:49:52AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
>
> I use my laptop for both work and school, so any major changes (i.e. OS
> changes) are out of the question. If I had the drive space I'd just
> create a seperate partition to use Fedora on, but unfortunately I don't.
> And I hope
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:56:47AM +0100, Wolfgang Lonien wrote:
> Alex Malinovich wrote:
>
> > what can I expect in the way of differences.
>
> Dependency hell ;-)
>
Mind you, you can install "apt" for RPM and it works just fine too. Of
course, the amount of software currently available from
On 2004-01-15, Alex Malinovich penned:
>
> I use my laptop for both work and school, so any major changes (i.e. OS
> changes) are out of the question. If I had the drive space I'd just
> create a seperate partition to use Fedora on, but unfortunately I don't.
> And I hope I didn't come across as to
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:24:17AM +, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:19, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> > I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and
> > using Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've
> > learned a few details. First, I ha
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:19:54AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
>
> So, with all of that said, what can I expect in the way of differences.
> I have already confirmed with him that any and all GUI tools will NOT be
> used for any labs. (i.e. all installation and configuration will be
> text-only,
Alex Malinovich wrote:
> what can I expect in the way of differences.
Dependency hell ;-)
HTH,
wjl
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 05:49:52AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 05:24, Richard Lyons wrote:
> --snip--
> > But Fedora must be less unpleasant than a slap round the face with a wet
> > fish. Why not take it as a learning exercise and install it on your
> > laptop for the
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:19:54AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few
> details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for
> the purpos
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 04:36, Michael B Allen wrote:
> > I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> > Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few
> > details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for
>
> >
> > We're go
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 05:24, Richard Lyons wrote:
--snip--
> But Fedora must be less unpleasant than a slap round the face with a wet
> fish. Why not take it as a learning exercise and install it on your
> laptop for the duration of the course? You're sure to learn more that
> way. Then you c
On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:19, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and
> using Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've
> learned a few details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my
> text editor for the purposes of l
> I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and using
> Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've learned a few
> details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my text editor for
>
> We're going to be working on Fedora systems. What's sickening, is that
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