Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-20 Thread John Hasler
David Barron writes: > I learned programming in 1963 (now that's OLD). You've got me beat by several years. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debia

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-20 Thread David Baron
I learned programming in 1963 (now that's OLD). My first computer was the IBM 1620. The first desktop, or should I say, desk (the whole thing). No OS. Used punched cards (OOO). Had a crippled FORTRAN compiler, assembler, little else, but had a unique variable word-length architecture and

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Allums
On 6/19/2010 4:09 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/19/2010 03:35 AM, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 19. 06. 2010 06:32:04 je Gerald napisal(a): Those were the days when men were men and systems were built by men.! Gerald Yep. As opposed to the Internet Age, in which not only men are men, but most of t

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > I've got a pile of them upstairs. If I had an EPROM eraser (a > programmer is easy to build) I'd use them instead of Atmel chips. Nate Bargmann writes: > Needham's Electronics used to offer them, assuming they're still in > business. Oh, I know I could _buy_ one. However, while I hav

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2010 19 Jun 07:10 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Miles Fidelman writes: > > It continually amazes me that the [Z80 is] still in production and > > widespread use. > > I've got a pile of them upstairs. If I had an EPROM eraser (a > programmer is easy to build) I'd use them instead of Atmel chips

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread John Hasler
Miles Fidelman writes: > It continually amazes me that the [Z80 is] still in production and > widespread use. I've got a pile of them upstairs. If I had an EPROM eraser (a programmer is easy to build) I'd use them instead of Atmel chips. > It could well be the most popular chip ever made for emb

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Go out and run a mile or so. Andrew Sackville-West writes: > that'll *really* make him feel old! Odd. It has the opposite effect on me. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lis

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/19/2010 03:35 AM, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 19. 06. 2010 06:32:04 je Gerald napisal(a): Those were the days when men were men and systems were built by men.! Gerald Yep. As opposed to the Internet Age, in which not only men are men, but most of the women are men as well, while little gir

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/19/2010 12:00 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/18/2010 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Right after that, started hacking on MIT's PDP-1 (of Tech Model Railroad Club and Spacewar fame, but at that point free-standing). The really neat thing about the

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 19. 06. 2010 06:32:04 je Gerald napisal(a): Those were the days when men were men and systems were built by men.! Gerald Yep. As opposed to the Internet Age, in which not only men are men, but most of the women are men as well, while little girls are actually FBI agents ... --

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/19/2010 12:00 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/18/2010 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Right after that, started hacking on MIT's PDP-1 (of Tech Model Railroad Club and Spacewar fame, but at that point free-standing). The really neat thing about the machine was that hack

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/18/2010 11:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: John Hasler wrote: I had a homebrew system built around a Zilog Z80-MCB in the late seventies. Tape storage (I never did get the head-per-track 1MB drives from Newman Computer working right), a surplus OCLC terminal, and a Selectric printer with home

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/18/2010 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Right after that, started hacking on MIT's PDP-1 (of Tech Model Railroad Club and Spacewar fame, but at that point free-standing). The really neat thing about the machine was that hackers were allowed, even encouraged, to make HARD

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/18/2010 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: High school, Junior & Senior year (1969-71) - DG Nova, single user configuration, had to toggle in a bootstrap loader, then read in a 2nd-stage off paper tape, final stage read in off of a hard drive (as I remember, but hard drives were pretty rare in

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-18 Thread Gerald
On Saturday, June 19, 2010 02:08:03 pm Miles Fidelman wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > I had a homebrew system built around a Zilog Z80-MCB in the late > > seventies. Tape storage (I never did get the head-per-track 1MB drives > > from Newman Computer working right), a surplus OCLC terminal, and a

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
John Hasler wrote: I had a homebrew system built around a Zilog Z80-MCB in the late seventies. Tape storage (I never did get the head-per-track 1MB drives from Newman Computer working right), a surplus OCLC terminal, and a Selectric printer with homebrew electronics. The first computer I progra

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
High school, Junior & Senior year (1969-71) - DG Nova, single user configuration, had to toggle in a bootstrap loader, then read in a 2nd-stage off paper tape, final stage read in off of a hard drive (as I remember, but hard drives were pretty rare in those days, so I could be wrong). 1st yea

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-18 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 06:18:27PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > ABS Doug writes: > > I had a Vic-20, but that was 1980 I think. Tape cassette, hooked to > > TV... I'm feeling old. > > I had a homebrew system built around a Zilog Z80-MCB in the late > seventies. Tape storage (I never did get the he

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Justin The Cynical
On 6/18/2010 15:58, ABS Doug wrote: On Thursday 17 June 2010 15:03:52 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What was that thing that was only a keyboard that had the cpu and memory built into it? You connected a tape player for the I/O and a TV for the display. I used it to play chess on and to do astrology pr

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-18 Thread John Hasler
ABS Doug writes: > I had a Vic-20, but that was 1980 I think. Tape cassette, hooked to > TV... I'm feeling old. I had a homebrew system built around a Zilog Z80-MCB in the late seventies. Tape storage (I never did get the head-per-track 1MB drives from Newman Computer working right), a surplus OC

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/18/2010 05:58 PM, ABS Doug wrote: On Thursday 17 June 2010 15:03:52 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What was that thing that was only a keyboard that had the cpu and memory built into it? You connected a tape player for the I/O and a TV for the display. I used it to play chess on and to do astrolog

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread ABS Doug
> On Thursday 17 June 2010 15:03:52 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >> What was that thing that was only a keyboard that had the cpu and memory >> built into it? You connected a tape player for the I/O and a TV for the >> display. I used it to play chess on and to do astrology programs. It >> took hours to

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/18/2010 09:11 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Eric Gerlach put forth on 6/17/2010 1:46 PM: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:15:37PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: There was also a TI something back then. TI-99/4A represent! (I will also accept props from TI-99/4 users... begrudgingly) I had a /4A

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Eric Gerlach put forth on 6/17/2010 1:46 PM: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:15:37PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: >> There was also a TI something back then. > > TI-99/4A represent! (I will also accept props from TI-99/4 users... > begrudgingly) I had a /4A but didn't bother mentioning it as I nev

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-17 Thread Eric Gerlach
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:15:37PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > There was also a TI something back then. TI-99/4A represent! (I will also accept props from TI-99/4 users... begrudgingly) Cheers, -- Eric Gerlach, Network Administrator Federation of Students University of Waterloo p: (519) 88

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-17 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 17 June 2010 15:03:52 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: What was that thing that was only a keyboard that had the cpu and memory built into it? You connected a tape player for the I/O and a TV for the display. I used it to play chess on and to do astrology prog

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-17 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 17 June 2010 15:03:52 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > What was that thing that was only a keyboard that had the cpu and memory > built into it? You connected a tape player for the I/O and a TV for the > display. I used it to play chess on and to do astrology programs. It > took hours to get th

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-17 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 09:03:52AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:18:54PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>On 06/16/2010 06:09 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >>>Ron Johnson put forth on 6/15/2010 1:50 PM: > On 06/15/2010 01:37 PM, Andrew Sackville-

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-17 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:18:54PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/16/2010 06:09 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Ron Johnson put forth on 6/15/2010 1:50 PM: On 06/15/2010 01:37 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] an USB enclosure and use it for backups. Having ~700GB of da