Re: nftables debian 13 bug

please check if your network interface was not renamed and still the same:         iifname "ens18" accept ...         oifname "ens18" masquerade

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 10:14:49 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > A mathematical trick may be used instead even if external processes like sed > are considered as undesired overhead > > for i in 0 09 008 59 080; do i1=1$i; i2=2$i; echo "$i = $((2*i1 - i2))"; > done > > 0 = 0 > 09 = 9 > 008 = 8 > 59 =

Re: Open Source PHP Trouble Ticket System

On 2025-07-18, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: >> This one ([1]) is in PHP. >> >> [1] https://glpi-project.org/ >> >> -- >> John Doe >> >> > I looked at this one and it looked promising. I downloaded it and tried to > install it but it requires docker. I am not really interested in running > docker

Re: Open Source PHP Trouble Ticket System

On 7/18/25 21:01, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 8:19 AM john doe wrote: On 7/18/25 09:21, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Hello, I have been Googling around trying to find a Trouble Ticket System written in PHP, JavaScript and MariaDB. Does anyone know of any good ones?

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

echo \ $(( $( d12='\([0-9]\{1,2\}\)' echo 09:10:11 | sed -e ' s/^/ / s/:/ /g s/ 0*\([0-9]\)/ \1/g '" s/^ $d12 $d12 $d12"'$/3600 * \1 + 60 * \2 + \3/ ' ) )) On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 7:09 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 18:59:06 -0700, Michael Paoli

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On 18/07/2025 05:52, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 23:39:02 +0200, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: Video durations are formatted in youtube's .info.json files as "HH:MM:SS"; jq '.duration_string,.duration' m.info.json "2:10:14" 7814 Taking into account earlier posts, I think that o

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 18:59:06 -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > echo $(( $(echo 07:08:09 | sed -e 's/^0*\([0-9]\)/3600 * \1 + > /;s/:0*\([0-9]:\)/60 * \1/;s/:0*\([0-9]\)$/ + \1/;') )) This one is missing some * operators. You're only capturing a single digit in each segment, but there could be two

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

echo $(( $(echo 07:08:09 | sed -e 's/^0*\([0-9]\)/3600 * \1 + /;s/:0*\([0-9]:\)/60 * \1/;s/:0*\([0-9]\)$/ + \1/;') )) On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 1:31 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 13:16:17 -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > > E.g.: > > printf 01:02:03 | (IFS=: read h m s; printf '%s

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 13:16:17 -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > E.g.: > printf 01:02:03 | (IFS=: read h m s; printf '%s\n' $(( $((h * 3600)) + > $((m * 60)) + $s ))) You still need to strip leading zeroes. hobbit:~$ echo 01:08:09 | (IFS=: read h m s; printf '%s\n' $(( $((h * 3600)) + > $((m * 60))

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

E.g.: printf 01:02:03 | (IFS=: read h m s; printf '%s\n' $(( $((h * 3600)) + $((m * 60)) + $s ))) On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 2:39 PM wrote: > > Video durations are formatted in youtube's .info.json files as "HH:MM:SS"; > so, I went monkey and did the conversion myself, but I got two errors which I

Re: Open Source PHP Trouble Ticket System

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 8:19 AM john doe wrote: > On 7/18/25 09:21, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have been Googling around trying to find a Trouble Ticket System > written > > in PHP, JavaScript and MariaDB. Does anyone know of any good ones? > > > > Good is subjective! ;^) >

Re: more trouble with HP Laser Jet Pro 4301 8023 CB

On 2025-07-10, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > > I have no idea what to do.  I spent two hours on HP looking for any > explanation and could not get any help from them at all.  I cannot > afford another printer and I have three un-used color cartridges.  It > does say it is low on ink but according t

Re: Where does pure-ftpd store files when anonymous logs in?

On 2025-07-11, Nicolas George wrote: > hw (HE12025-07-11): >> (S)FTP is still in use like for cameras, scanners (printers) and phones. > > Do you have a few examples of brand and models of cameras and phones > that use FTP? Some high-end cameras use it. Phones, not so much.

Re: Open Source PHP Trouble Ticket System

Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > Hello, > > I have been Googling around trying to find a Trouble Ticket System written > in PHP, JavaScript and MariaDB. Does anyone know of any good ones? I know the best one, but it's not written in PHP. apt install request-tracker5 -dsr-

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 12:34:36 +0200, Michael wrote: > On Friday, July 18, 2025 12:52:03 AM CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > As far as the code goes, I'd rather start from scratch. > > just out of curiosity: > > i don't like fix global return values (like $r in your code). i'd rather > give the f

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Thursday, July 17, 2025 06:52:03 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > If you don't want to see an explanation of the function, you can stop > reading here. The rest is just tutorial. I'm not the OP, but tutorial(s) good -- thanks! I assume it is (or will be) on your (Greg's wiki) -- if so, I'll probably

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Friday, July 18, 2025 12:52:03 AM CEST, Greg Wooledge wrote: As far as the code goes, I'd rather start from scratch. just out of curiosity: i don't like fix global return values (like $r in your code). i'd rather give the function a variable name to put the result in. do you have any obj

Re: Open Source PHP Trouble Ticket System

On 7/18/25 09:21, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Hello, I have been Googling around trying to find a Trouble Ticket System written in PHP, JavaScript and MariaDB. Does anyone know of any good ones? Good is subjective! ;^) This one ([1]) is in PHP. [1] https://glpi-project.org/ -- John Doe

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 07:56:39PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > On Jul 18, 2025, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > > OK, it makes some more sense now. The range of digits in the octal > > system is from 0 to 7, so it would complain with "08" and "09" (but > > not with "10" which would then be "8" in oct

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Thu 17 Jul 2025 at 23:39:02 (+0200), lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > Video durations are formatted in youtube's .info.json files as "HH:MM:SS"; ↑ On Fri 18 Jul 2025 at 01:21:08 (+0200), lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > OK, the Math is right, but the assumptions made by date aren't sm

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On Thu 17 Jul 2025 at 15:26:15 (-0400), Šarūnas Burdulis wrote: > On 2025-07-17 2:46 PM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > My internet service is by way of a dish out in the yard, and I have > > no idea where the base station is for the uplink to that particular > > satellites. How best to deal w

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Jul 18, 2025, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > OK, it makes some more sense now. The range of digits in the octal > system is from 0 to 7, so it would complain with "08" and "09" (but > not with "10" which would then be "8" in octal), but why would command > line utilities assume you are encoding n

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 00:31:17 +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 01:21:08AM +0200, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > > OK, the Math is right, but the assumptions made by date aren't smart. I > > "overtested" your one liner with the kinds of input you would grab using jq > >

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 01:21:08AM +0200, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > OK, the Math is right, but the assumptions made by date aren't smart. I > "overtested" your one liner with the kinds of input you would grab using jq > from youtube .info.json files > and to my amazement, when you only have

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

OK, the Math is right, but the assumptions made by date aren't smart. I "overtested" your one liner with the kinds of input you would grab using jq from youtube .info.json files and to my amazement, when you only have two semicolon separated values, the bash date utility assumes the first chunk

Re: problem installing trixie

On 7/16/25 16:35, Flo wrote: Hi, I have tried to install trixie, however, I ran into two problems at the very beginning: .) When I want to boot the computer, the system is not found automatically. I have to go into BIOS for selecting the disk to have it booted. At the installation process I

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 23:39:02 +0200, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > Video durations are formatted in youtube's .info.json files as "HH:MM:SS"; OK. > _HHMMSS="19:09" > _HHMMSS="19:08" > IFS=$(echo -en "\n\b"); _SEKNDS_AR=($(echo "${_HHMMSS}" | tr ':' '\n')); > _SEKNDS_ARL=${#_SEKNDS_AR[@]} You

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 12:27:04AM +0200, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > _HHMMSS="19:09" means 19*60 + 9 = 1149 seconds > _HHMMSS="19:08" means 19*60 + 8 = 1148 seconds So: 19:09 is 19 minutes and 9 seconds ? It is not HHMMSS for that you should have _HHMMSS="00:19:09" I found a bug in my solutio

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

On 7/17/25 20:03, Titus Newswanger wrote: I just now inserted a Debian 12 installer usb and rebooted, making sure to catch the bios boot device selection screen. It presented me with 9 boot options: # 6 was "General UDisk 5.00" # 9 was "UEFI: General UDisk 5.00" My other 7 boot options are

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

_HHMMSS="19:09" means 19*60 + 9 = 1149 seconds _HHMMSS="19:08" means 19*60 + 8 = 1148 seconds so, it seems date is also somehow parsing that value as octal even though it is being formatted in a date friendly way. is there a way to exactly specify the encoding of the input for date?

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

OK, it makes some more sense now. The range of digits in the octal system is from 0 to 7, so it would complain with "08" and "09" (but not with "10" which would then be "8" in octal), but why would command line utilities assume you are encoding numeric values as octal? Now I notice many people h

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 11:39:02PM +0200, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > Video durations are formatted in youtube's .info.json files as "HH:MM:SS"; > so, I went monkey and did the conversion myself, but I got two errors which I > can't make sense of whatsoever with only two values: _HHMMSS="19:09

Re: Is there a POSIX compliant way of turning a "HH:MM:SS" formatted string to seconds? ...

On Jul 17, 2025, lbrt...@tutamail.com wrote: > Video durations are formatted in youtube's .info.json files as "HH:MM:SS"; > so, I went monkey and did the conversion myself, but I got two errors which I > can't make sense of whatsoever with only two values: > > _HHMMSS="19:09" > _HHMMSS="19:08" >

Re: Debian default mailer choice

> Aye, it’s way too big a topic for the mailing list. If you’re > interested in the whole debate (as far back as 2003) you can find > highlights here: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA Thanks, that very much answers my question. I guess if `ssmtp` had been extended to allow local deli

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

PS: but booting is only possible over the BIOS menu. What do you mean by "over the BIOS menu"? When I start the computer, I press F10, the boot order. There I can select what I want to boot. If I select the drive there, it's booting. It has the highest priority anyway but it needs this

Re: Debian default mailer choice

> On 17 Jul 2025, at 20:09, Marco Moock wrote: > > On 17.07.2025 19:00 Uhr Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> I don't have anything against Exim4 (I just happened to choose Postfix >> many years ago and never had a reason to reconsider that choice). >> I know basically nothing about Exim4 other than th

Re: Debian default mailer choice

On 17.07.2025 19:00 Uhr Stefan Monnier wrote: > I don't have anything against Exim4 (I just happened to choose Postfix > many years ago and never had a reason to reconsider that choice). > I know basically nothing about Exim4 other than the fact that > installing Postfix instead saved a few kB (no

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

Hi, On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 12:18:50PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 17 Jul 2025 at 12:42:29 (+0200), Flo wrote: > > but booting is only possible over the BIOS menu. > > Like John Doe, no idea what this means. I took it to mean that OP sees a firmware message like "F11 to see boot options"

Re: Debian default mailer choice

Hi, On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 12:54:58PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Why does Debian default to installing Exim4? Just historical reasons I think: No great mystery, just that a choice had to be made and that was the choice that was made. Personally I haven't been too thrilled with Exim's securi

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On 2025-07-17 2:46 PM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: My internet service is by way of a dish out in the yard, and I have no idea where the base station is for the uplink to that particular satellites. How best to deal with that, I wonder? Not sure about the base station, but traceroute to a kn

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On Wednesday 16 July 2025 05:45:28 pm Andy Smith wrote: > The "easy route" through that set of dialogs has you say where you are > located and then it offers a few different Debian mirrors that make > sense for that location, however it does also let you type in your own. My internet service is b

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

Hi, Titus Newswanger wrote: > I just now inserted a Debian 12 installer usb and rebooted, making sure to > catch the bios boot device selection screen. It presented me with 9 boot > options: > > # 6 was "General UDisk 5.00" > > # 9 was "UEFI: General UDisk 5.00" > > My other 7 boot options are

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

On 7/17/25 05:42, Flo wrote: I tried to reinstall: This time I said guided partitioning the whole disk but it only creates a 1M partiion for biosgrub and a big one (3TB) for everything else (+ swap). That is how it works for me when I boot the installer usb in legacy bios mode regardless whe

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

On Thu 17 Jul 2025 at 12:42:29 (+0200), Flo wrote: > I tried to reinstall: This time I said guided partitioning the whole > disk but it only creates a 1M partiion for biosgrub and a big one > (3TB) for everything else (+ swap). I have EFI enabled in BIOS and > it's not the first time I install Debi

Re: Old distribution password

Ivan wrote: > Thank you for quick replay, Dan. > > One detail what is grub prompt? You seem to have missed copying the list on this. Common mistake. Grub is one of the possible boot methods that operates between the computer starting itself and the Linux kernel loading. If Raspbian doesn't us

Re: Old distribution password

Ivan wrote: > Hallo, > > I wonder if you could help me out. > > Some time ago I got my Raspberry pi and installed Debian distribution - I > have a backup copies with name 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img ... so you > see it is very old one. > > I was not using my Raspberrypi for some time and

Re: Old distribution password

On 7/17/25 11:36 AM, Ivan wrote: Hallo, I wonder if you could help me out. Some time ago I got my Raspberry pi  and installed Debian distribution - I have a backup copies with name  2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img   ... so you see it is very old one. I was not using my Raspberrypi for some t

Re: Old distribution password

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:36:16 +0200 Ivan wrote: > Hallo, > > I wonder if you could help me out. > > Some time ago I got my Raspberry pi and installed Debian > distribution - I have a backup copies with name > 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img ... so you see it is very old one. > > I was not usi

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

On 7/17/25 12:42, Flo wrote: On 7/17/25 03:22, Charles Curley wrote: For me it looks like that the installer thinks that I am on a non EFI system? The installer could be rongly detecting that but I'd say it's unlikely. debian-boot mailing list is specifically for d-i. PS: but booting

Re: SDD partitioning and allocations

On 2025-07-16, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 04:31:08PM -, Greg wrote: >> On 2025-07-12, Andy Smith wrote: >> > But for brand new devices I don't care what was on it before. >> > >> > You can construct a hypothetical situation where: >> > >> > 1. I buy a new storage devi

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

On 7/17/25 13:29, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 12:42:29PM +0200, Flo wrote: For me it looks like that the installer thinks that I am on a non EFI system? Any ideas? Yes, it isn't actually booting in EFI mode. I don't think this will be an issue with Debian because by the tim

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

Hi, On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 12:42:29PM +0200, Flo wrote: > For me it looks like that the installer thinks that I am on a non EFI > system? > > Any ideas? Yes, it isn't actually booting in EFI mode. I don't think this will be an issue with Debian because by the time the Debian installer runs the

Re: problem installing trixie - no EFI

On 7/17/25 03:22, Charles Curley wrote: Thank you for your answer. I tried to reinstall: This time I said guided partitioning the whole disk but it only creates a 1M partiion for biosgrub and a big one (3TB) for everything else (+ swap). I have EFI enabled in BIOS and it's not the first time

Re: problem installing t, ext4rixie

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 01:35:33 +0200 Flo wrote: > I have tried to install trixie, however, I ran into two problems at > the very beginning: > > .) When I want to boot the computer, the system is not found > automatically. I have to go into BIOS for selecting the disk to have > it booted. That is

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

On 16/07/2025 16:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: My best guess is https://sources.debian.org/src/debbugs/2.6.4/cgi/bugreport.cgi/?hl=331#L331 push @log, handle_record($record,$ref,$msg_num, ... But there $msg_num looks like being incremented in single steps, Some entries are omitted (see $skip_

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On 7/16/25 15:03, Titus Newswanger wrote: for Debian 12 I do a minimal install from the unmodified net install iso without network cable plugged in. I forgot to mention, it will want to connect to the network but the cable is unplugged (intentionally). I allow it to try connecting. After a m

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

For number of years, my local mirror has been running approx, without problems. All of my installs are netinst, using a USB stick. RLH

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:51:54PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > what would be the easiest way to do an install from my local mirror > would getting a copy of netinst.iso and modify it be practical > As someone else has pointed out, if you just need to install once on one system and have

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

Hi, On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 07:51:54PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > what would be the easiest way to do an install from my local mirror > would getting a copy of netinst.iso and modify it be practical I typically use the netinstall and unless you set it to be fully automated it does as

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025, Titus Newswanger wrote: > > On 7/16/25 14:51, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: >> what would be the easiest way to do an install from my local mirror >> would getting a copy of netinst.iso and modify it be practical > for Debian 12 I do a minimal install from the unmodified net

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 19:51:54 + fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > what would be the easiest way to do an install from my local mirror > would getting a copy of netinst.iso and modify it be practical I'm not sure you mean by "local mirror". If you mean the one closest to you, absent any pressing

Re: would like to do install from local mirror

On 7/16/25 14:51, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what would be the easiest way to do an install from my local mirror would getting a copy of netinst.iso and modify it be practical for Debian 12 I do a minimal install from the unmodified net install iso without network cable plugged in. After i

Re: SDD partitioning and allocations

Hi, On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 04:31:08PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-07-12, Andy Smith wrote: > > But for brand new devices I don't care what was on it before. > > > > You can construct a hypothetical situation where: > > > > 1. I buy a new storage device but am unwittingly given a refurb one > >

Re: SDD partitioning and allocations

On 2025-07-12, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:38:11PM +0200, Me wrote: >> On 2025-07-12 15:19, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > Why do you recommend that? Are you assuming the SSDs songbird got are >> > used, or do you recommend that even for new SSDs -- if so, why? >> No

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

Is it possible that when opening a bug, the first four messages are administrative in nature and not shown? The first followup then gets message number 5? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

Hi, i wrote: > > One would have to make experiments. tuxi...@posteo.de wrote: > The easier way to figure this out would most likely be to just read the > source code. Does not look so to the eyes of a C programmer. One would need to know enough of (cough) Perl to find out from where $msg_number

Re: Mac mini A1283 ... 2008.

> According to https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple Debian > may work on this machine. Anyone working with the same or similar? IIRC this is also known as "macmini3,1". I don't have this specific machine, but I have an older one (macmini1,1, upgraded to macmini2,1). > https://en.wi

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

On 2025-07-15, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > There i see #5, #10, #22, #33, #38 and various control mails without > a HTML label. Hijacking the thread here, but I've never understood the versioning numbers of kernels or browsers (after the first or second decimal point I mean). Anyway.

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

Hi, The easier way to figure this out would most likely be to just read the source code. On Tuesday, July 15, 2025 10:03:59 AM Central European Summer Time Thomas Schmitt wrote: > One would have to make experiments.

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

Hi, i can contribute https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=800627 (Original: Year 2028 problem in ISO 9660 kernel driver. Later: Year 2038 problem, which hopefully will get fixed by kernel 6.16 to be safe up to year .) There i see #5, #10, #22, #33, #38 and various contr

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

On 14/07/2025 21:38, Chris Green wrote: Jan Claeys wrote: The reason is that 'gucharmap' is not part of XFCE, but Xubuntu installs it by default (it’s a dependency of the 'xubuntu-desktop' metapackage in Ubuntu). Debian currently doesn’t have a similar metapackage with an "opinionated selection

Re: kmail: Sound at sending mail

On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:29:33 +0200 Hans wrote: > is anyone using kmail? > > I have added a rule, when a string is in the subject, let us say for > example "advice", then a wav file is played. > > But this is also played, when I am sendin a mail with the word > "advice" in the headline. > >

Re: kmail: Sound at sending mail

On Mon 14 Jul 2025 at 18:29:33 (+0200), Hans wrote: > Dear list, > > is anyone using kmail? > > I have added a rule, when a string is in the subject, let us say for > example "advice", then a wav file is played. > > But this is also played, when I am sendin a mail with the word "advice" in >

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Jul 14, 2025, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:45:56 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > > Only reason my wife's not on linux (anymore) is because the new > > paper-cutter thing (by cricut) needs windows-only drivers and I'm not > > allowed to take it apart and start probing around. > >

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

Stefan Monnier wrote: > > How come messages are numbered like Message #5, #10, #15, rather than > > Message #1, #2, #3, ...? > > You mean like https://bugs.debian.org/1095863 ? But not https://bugs.debian.org/1095866 which starts with 5 and has a lot of multiples of 3 in it. -dsr-

Re: Why are bug comment numbers multiples of 5?

> How come messages are numbered like Message #5, #10, #15, rather than > Message #1, #2, #3, ...? You mean like https://bugs.debian.org/1095863 ? Stefan

Re: SDD partitioning and allocations

Y," there's no analogue in an SSD. > The file system just says "fetch me address Z," and the firmware figures out which cell of which chip by magic. > Furthermore, I understand that telling an SSD to write a terabyte of zeros to the drive may not actually write a terab

Re: SDD partitioning and allocations

e's no analogue in an SSD. The file system just says "fetch me address Z," and the firmware figures out which cell of which chip by magic.Furthermore, I understand that telling an SSD to write a terabyte of zeros to the drive may not actually write a terabyte of addresses, as the S

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

> Right, but her laptop is pretty much dead (won't charge any longer and > has only 4 gb of RAM) and cannot be revived for any sensible amount of > money, so she must buy a new one. Side note: the "new" one doesn't have to be literally new, it could be second-hand as well. Stefan

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

Greg (HE12025-07-14): > Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are > using Gnome, the default Debian desktop. Any evidence to support that claim? -- Nicolas George

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

> On 14 Jul 2025, at 16:52, Greg wrote: > > On 2025-07-14, Michael Stone wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote: >>> the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain >> >> You don't understand irony, do you? >> > > Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooled

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 9:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote: > > On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get > > >> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...] > > > > > > But that's

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On 2025-07-14, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote: >>the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain > > You don't understand irony, do you? > Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are using Gnome, the default Debian desktop.

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:45:56 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > > Only reason my wife's not on linux (anymore) is because the new > paper-cutter thing (by cricut) needs windows-only drivers and I'm not > allowed to take it apart and start probing around. It probably actually runs on something somewher

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 11:27:46 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: > Is it a underhanded plan to have the experienced users quietly by > themselves? No, it is a sneaky underhanded plot to leave the email lists entirely to the old hands and rid us of pesky boring newbie questions like "Where's the power sw

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote: the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain You don't understand irony, do you?

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote: > On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get > >> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...] > > > > But that's why she has you, right? :) > > > > Right, but her laptop is pretty

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

Jan Claeys wrote: > On Mon, 2025-07-14 at 07:02 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > OP here.  I installed Debian 12 with XFCE on my desktop and my laptop > > something like a year ago. I moved from xubuntu which I had used for > > many years.  These were clean, from scratch, installations but I had > >

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get >> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...] > > But that's why she has you, right? :) > Right, but her laptop is pretty much dead (won't charge any longer and has onl

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

On Mon, 2025-07-14 at 07:02 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > OP here.  I installed Debian 12 with XFCE on my desktop and my laptop > something like a year ago. I moved from xubuntu which I had used for > many years.  These were clean, from scratch, installations but I had > my 'list of added packages' f

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote: > On 2025-07-14, Nicolas George wrote: > > Greg (HE12025-07-12): > >> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority. > > > > As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw > > in any way… > > I do completely acknowledge that.

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

On 2025-07-14, Nicolas George wrote: > Greg (HE12025-07-12): >> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority. > > As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw > in any way… I do completely acknowledge that. >> The thrust of the OP seems to be directe

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

On 2025-07-14, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 13/07/2025 23:06, Greg (curtyshoo) wrote: >> On 2025-07-13, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> >>> This is what I originally wrote on > [...] >> The OP was specifically about Debian 12 with XFCE, for which the >> character selection t

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

Hi, On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:27:46AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Greg (HE12025-07-12): > > The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of > > *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read this mailing list, > > please get real. > > So, you would have a webforum with

Re: SDD partitioning and allocations

David Christensen wrote: > On 7/13/25 13:23, David Christensen wrote: >> `dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M /dev/sdX` > > I apologize -- that command is wrong, in more than one way. Here is an > console session from when I zeroed a 1 TB HDD: ... i didn't zero mine out since it was already zeroed. but tha

Re: Anyone newly interested in Debian - you're welcome here

Greg (HE12025-07-12): > That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority. As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw in any way… > The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of > *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read t

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

Max Nikulin wrote: > > Isn't the issue that XFCE does not provide character map application out > of the box (at least as it is packaged for Debian)? > > I have a VM very close to default XFCE install configuration. I have not > found gucharmap in menus. On the host I have tried > > apt i

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

On Sun 13 Jul 2025 at 09:06:19 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 23:47:15 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > You can write your own sequences, so that they are meaningful to you. > > For example: > > : "𝄫" U1d12b # MUSICAL SYMBOL > > DOUBLE FLAT > > :

Re: Where did my character selection tool go?

On 13/07/2025 23:06, Greg (curtyshoo) wrote: On 2025-07-13, Greg Wooledge wrote: This is what I originally wrote on [...] The OP was specifically about Debian 12 with XFCE, for which the character selection tool is gucharmap (GNOME Character Map). Greg (cu

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On 13/07/2025 20:06, Greg Wooledge wrote: This is what I originally wrote on (except that I suggested using include "%L" at the top, instead of hard-coding en_US.UTF-8). Later, some people thought they were "improving" the page by adding all kinds of Desktop En

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