Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 09:27:46PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:54:19 +1200 > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Joe wrote: > > > A nation of supermarket-keepers. > > > > Why does there seem to be preocupation with hyphens these days, or am > > I

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-16 Thread Joe
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:54:19 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0200 > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote: > > > > For those in the UK, We in North America coul

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0200 > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote: > > > For those in the UK, We in North America could > > > occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British > > > A

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 15 August 2015 21:57:24 Brad Rogers wrote: > Aha!  My mistake - it hasn't come into effect yet.  See; > y-over-75s-tv-licences> > > In a nutshell, there are plans to introduce legislation to close the > catchup

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-15 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:46:34 -0500 David Wright wrote: Hello David, >Please give a source for this change. It appears to be contradicted 4 >times at I saw/heard it on the news a while back. Or at least, that's what I think I heard. {time passes} Aha! My mistake - it hasn't come into effect

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-15 Thread David Wright
Quoting Brad Rogers (b...@fineby.me.uk): > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:30 +0100 > Martin Read wrote: > > Hello Martin, > > >they are being broadcast", but rather "you *use* some piece of > >equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being > >broadcast". > > That's changed rece

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-15 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:30 +0100 Martin Read wrote: Hello Martin, >they are being broadcast", but rather "you *use* some piece of >equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being >broadcast". That's changed recently. The "as they are being broadcast" part has been remove

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-15 Thread Joe
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 00:00:57 +0100 Brian wrote: > > If the argument is to have non-payment of a licence a civil offence > I'm not opposed to that. The burden of proof would be lower in that > case, of course. > This seems likely to happen fairly soon. -- Joe

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [...] > > I had a compassion bypass operation a few years ago. Sorry. :) > > And a tolerance one.;-) But I in fact outlined the monetary and societal > cost, and therefore inefficiency. You don't need compassion to understand > that, just a calcu

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 15 August 2015 00:00:57 Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 22:52:05 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > > > > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 23:29:24 +0100, Martin Read wrote: > On 14/08/15 23:03, Brian wrote: > >On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote: > >>And yes, the law does distinguish between broadcast programmes and live > >>internet streaming (e.g. the BBC's live coverage of the World Snook

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 22:52:05 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote: > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > > > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: > > > > > On 12/08/

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Joe
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0200 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote: > > For those in the UK, We in North America could > > occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British > > Aisles when Solar activity was high. > > British Aisles?? > A

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Martin Read
On 14/08/15 23:03, Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote: And yes, the law does distinguish between broadcast programmes and live internet streaming (e.g. the BBC's live coverage of the World Snooker No it doesn't. Watching BBC News being streamed live with get_i

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote: > On 12/08/15 18:23, Brian wrote: > >On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: > >>I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go, > > > >Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's comp

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote: > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: > > > > On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > >The care alone, even were th

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 13/08/15 03:51, Martin McCormick wrote: > For those in the UK, We in North America could > occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British > Aisles when Solar activity was high. British Aisles?? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France |

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Martin Read
On 12/08/15 18:23, Brian wrote: On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go, Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's computer, you do. Conveniently, what the law requires people to purchas

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-13 Thread Brian
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: > > > On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > >The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several orders of > > > >ma

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Martin McCormick
For those in the UK, We in North America could occasionally receive BBC1 from transmitters across the British Aisles when Solar activity was high. The Band-1 transmissions were roughly between 41 and 45 MHZ. Audio was AM or amplitude modulation as well as was the video which was 405-lines a

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: > > On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > >The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several orders of > > >magnitude more money than the £145.50 cost of a TV licence. The trial >

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread John Hasler
David Wright writes: > Indeed. But in Britain, the term is politically overloaded, a > touchstone of all that is bad (for a large proportion of the > population). No headline writer would dream of writing Head Tax when > they can scream Poll Tax. Poll tax is the idiomatic expression, that's > all.

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com): > David Wright writes: > > In the UK, tomas's tax would be called a "poll tax".. > > "Poll" once meant "head". Indeed. But in Britain, the term is politically overloaded, a touchstone of all that is bad (for a large proportion of the population). No hea

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:06:49AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > tomas writes: > > To me, it's just a thinly veiled way of moving things to a flat-tax > > scheme, for the benefit of the rich (yes, I know about the official > > rationale) > > Don't you m

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread John Hasler
David Wright writes: > In the UK, tomas's tax would be called a "poll tax".. "Poll" once meant "head". -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com): > tomas writes: > > To me, it's just a thinly veiled way of moving things to a flat-tax > > scheme, for the benefit of the rich (yes, I know about the official > > rationale) > > Don't you mean a head tax? "Flat tax" usually refers to a tax that is a > f

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting doug (dmcgarr...@optonline.net): > I'm curious. Do you have to pay that sum for each TV receiver, or is > it a balnket license per house? > Also there is a reference to a computer--does a computer count as a TV? > I assume that the license is renewed annually? The horse's mouth is at http

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread doug
On 08/12/2015 01:23 PM, Brian wrote: /snip/ I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go, Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's computer, you do. [Snip] The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several orders of magnitude more mone

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Brian
On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: > On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote: > >> Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit > >>a van with high-quality broad-spectrum radio receivers,

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Joe
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:04:37 -0500 wrote: > Several years ago, one of the United States television > networks did a story on the British TV license and showed agents > in a van driving around looking for the tell-tale weak radio > signals from the local oscillators of television tuners and

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Martin Smith
On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote: Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit a van with high-quality broad-spectrum radio receivers, a person to drive and another to tune and evaluate what he/she is re

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread John Hasler
tomas writes: > To me, it's just a thinly veiled way of moving things to a flat-tax > scheme, for the benefit of the rich (yes, I know about the official > rationale) Don't you mean a head tax? "Flat tax" usually refers to a tax that is a fixed percentage of all income (or of all expenditures, wh

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 02:56:21PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote: > >   Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit > > a van [...] > They have a much simpler solution.

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 12 August 2015 14:04:37 marti...@suddenlink.net wrote: >   Now think, for a second how much money it costs to outfit > a van with high-quality broad-spectrum radio receivers, a person to > drive and another to tune and evaluate what he/she is receiving > and whether or not it is fr

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Nicolas George
Le quintidi 25 thermidor, an CCXXIII, marti...@suddenlink.net a écrit : > All that aside, think of the money that the BBC spends > administering and enforcing the system that they have created. > The United States is not immune to this sort of self-harm, > either. It goes on at all levels fro

[OFFTOPIC] Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
> All that aside, think of the money that the BBC spends > administering and enforcing the system that they have created. Indeed. For that same reason public transit systems should be paid out of the normal government budget rather than being tied to individual users (which can also be desc

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-12 Thread martin.m
David Wright wrote: > When I was a boy, the TV licence fee was taxed (called "duty") by the > government at 33%. This has been a very interesting discussion as I am one who believes that information and media should be unrestricted and priced reasonably or subsidized by advertising. Being

Re: "two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread Bret Busby
On 10/08/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2015 22:17:16 Bob Bernstein wrote: >> we Yankees are put off by >> "apothecated," and begin, when we see it, to wonder if we >> have any prescriptions that need to be picked up at the good >> old apothecary. > > And quite right too. > > You a

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread David Wright
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > On Sunday 09 August 2015 20:23:34 Joe wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100 > > > > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400 > > > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > > > > Hello Renaud, > > > > > > >I cannot understand why the U

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 22:41:18 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > > On Sunday 09 August 2015 02:48:57 David Wright wrote: > > > Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > > > > As if I shan't have > > > > enough to do if my husband predeceases me, I shall have t

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread David Wright
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > On Sunday 09 August 2015 02:48:57 David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > > > I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you > > > have no TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one? > > > > Hi

Re: "two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: I have quadruple checked hypothecated. It is right this time. It's not as if you are a chronic or "multiple" offender, which latter adjective is in some counties preferred for reference to citizens who earn repeated arrests for driving while intoxicate

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 20:23:34 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100 > > Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400 > > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > > Hello Renaud, > > > > >I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries > > >that have ditched T

Re: "two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 22:17:16 Bob Bernstein wrote: > we Yankees are put off by > "apothecated," and begin, when we see it, to wonder if we > have any prescriptions that need to be picked up at the good > old apothecary. And quite right too. You are better proof readers than I. I see what I

Re: "two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 21:51:10 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > [snip] > > > >> Because it's not a tax. > > > > In effect, it is an apothecated tax. But we are reluctant to acknowledge > > that. Typo and old age with recalcitrant fingers. Also lousy proof reading. I believe tah

Re: "two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015, Richard Owlett wrote: I did a duckduckgo search for "apothecated". Same here only used google, which seemed to want to make me understand how "hypothecated" should be used. My hunch is the two words are equivalent in some vague sense of functionality, but clearly we Yan

Re: "two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread David Goodenough
On Sunday 09 August 2015 15:51:10 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > [snip] > > > >> Because it's not a tax. > > > > In effect, it is an apothecated tax. But we are reluctant to acknowledge > > that. > > I did a duckduckgo search for "apothecated". I got a bunch of > colonial dictio

"two peoples separated by a common language" -was {Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn}

2015-08-09 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: [snip] Because it's not a tax. In effect, it is an apothecated tax. But we are reluctant to acknowledge that. I did a duckduckgo search for "apothecated". I got a bunch of colonial dictionaries. Their definitions seemed to make no sense in context. What's the Crown's

Re: [OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Huh, don't give our stick government any ideas; TV has never had a license issue in my lifetime in AU. And if the LNP (Liberal/National Party - coalition or rather demolition!) ... succeeds in screwing us over more, it just might be on their cards :( We have pay tv, but plenty of free to air; sa

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Joe
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400 > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > Hello Renaud, > > >I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries > >that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending bureaucracy, > >and replace

[OT] Television licensing. was: Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 11:50:48 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400 > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > Hello Renaud, > > >I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries > >that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending bureaucracy, and > >replaced it

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Ron
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:50:48 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > >I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries > >that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending bureaucracy, and > >replaced it with a single check box on the income tax form... > Because it's not a tax. The

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:43:15 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Hello Renaud, >I cannot understand why the UK has not followed the other countries >that have ditched TV licensing, and all the attending bureaucracy, and >replaced it with a single check box on the income tax form... Because it's no

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Ron
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 11:23:17 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > It was bound to have gone on line. But I haven't had to pay for one for 7 > years so didn't know that. But I'll still have enough to worry about without > flipping TV licences! A special tax was understandable in the days when a TV set wa

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 02:48:57 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > > I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you > > have no TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one? > > Hint: look at my timezone (when you're awake). D'oh! >

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread David Wright
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you have > no > TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one? Hint: look at my timezone (when you're awake). > As if I shan't have > enough to do if my husband predeceases me,

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 August 2015 01:15:41 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > > > David Wright writes: > > > > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its > > > > unsustainability end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon > > > > there's no reason to disq

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread David Wright
Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com): > > David Wright writes: > > > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability > > > end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason > > > to disqualify people overseas. [...] > We are talking about the ordina

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
I've done it again. Sorry, John. I must remember to treat Debian users differently from other lists. On Saturday 08 August 2015 22:53:17 John Hasler wrote: > At a guess, BBC transfers all international rights to most works it > authors to BBC Commercial which then markets them, with the result

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Lisi Writes: > Do the individual components not buy and sell things? Things to which they own all rights and with the permission of central management. > In the case of the BBC it is a significant difference. You are surely > not going to claim that any of Time-Warner is non-commercial? What's

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
Bother. Did it again. Sorry. On Saturday 08 August 2015 21:31:33 John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > It isn't "the BBC" that sells things to Time Warner, surely? It must > > be BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm. > > It isn't "Time-Warner" that buys things from the BBC, surely? It must > be T

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > It isn't "the BBC" that sells things to Time Warner, surely? It must > be BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm. It isn't "Time-Warner" that buys things from the BBC, surely? It must be Time-Warner Global Media group, the international arm. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
Sorry, everybody, this time. :-( On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:45:24 John Hasler wrote: > David Wright writes: > > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability > > end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason > > to disqualify people overseas. >

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
Sorry, John, On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:45:24 John Hasler wrote: > David Wright writes: > > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability > > end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason > > to disqualify people overseas. > > That's irrelevant

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
Sorry, again, John, On Saturday 08 August 2015 18:45:24 John Hasler wrote: > David Wright writes: > > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability > > end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason > > to disqualify people overseas. > > That's irre

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread John Hasler
David Wright writes: > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its unsustainability > end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon there's no reason > to disqualify people overseas. That's irrelevant to the rights issue. Once BBC has sold the US rights to Time-Warner (or whoever

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread David Wright
Quoting John Hasler (jhas...@newsguy.com): > Lisi writes: > > And no, as someone accused the other day, this is not a case of > > xenophobia, but of money and copyright. People outside the UK are > > supposed not to have paid the licence fee. > > BBC may own only UK rights, If they authored the

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > And no, as someone accused the other day, this is not a case of > xenophobia, but of money and copyright. People outside the UK are > supposed not to have paid the licence fee. BBC may own only UK rights, If they authored the material they may have sold the US rights to a US compa

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 08 August 2015 05:48:43 David Wright wrote: > One other thing: it would be nice to be able to run get-iplayer > through the tunnel, but I haven't managed it. It gets connected > but no bytes are ever delivered to the local file. Perhaps the BBC has succeeded in disabling it. They cert

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-07 Thread David Wright
Quoting martin McCormick (marti...@suddenlink.net): > David Wright writes: > > I think there's a fourth field missing there. > > Correct! Please read on. > > > > > Anyway, what I just did is: install pptp-linux (which pulls in ppp) > > and typed: > > # pptpsetup --create work --server ukvpn.ufr

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-05 Thread martin McCormick
David Wright writes: > I think there's a fourth field missing there. Correct! Please read on. > > Anyway, what I just did is: install pptp-linux (which pulls in ppp) > and typed: > # pptpsetup --create work --server ukvpn.ufreevpn.com --username > ufreevpn.com --password free --encrypt --start

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-05 Thread David Wright
Quoting martin McCormick (marti...@suddenlink.net): > > If I'm reading this correctly, you've stated that the connection must > > use MPPE (because of the 'require-mppe-128' command in > > /etc/ppp/peers/ufreevpn), but the remote end has replied that MPPE is > > not available. Because of this, pppd

Re: pptp-based vpn I am trying to setup pptpd to initiate a connection to Darac Marjal wrote:

2015-08-05 Thread martin McCormick
> If I'm reading this correctly, you've stated that the connection must > use MPPE (because of the 'require-mppe-128' command in > /etc/ppp/peers/ufreevpn), but the remote end has replied that MPPE is > not available. Because of this, pppd terminated the connection. > > I would suggest confirming

Re: pptp-based vpn I am trying to setup pptpd to initiate a connection to

2015-08-04 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 08:29:31PM -0500, martin McCormick wrote: > ukvpn.ufreevpn.com and I have never seen this work before so I am > not sure what a working setup behaves like. It appears that it > takes a sort of grand tour in which it makes 7 or 8 attempts at > connecting but it ultimately giv

RE: PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

2010-12-28 Thread Roland Rosier
Hello Pascal and Russell, > Roland Rosier a écrit : > > I get a huge number of lines in my syslog saying: > > > > Dec 27 12:51:54 x pptp[5043]: anon log[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:414]: > > buffering packet 20895 (expecting 20894, lost or reordered) > > 1) It could be a packet loss issue at the li

Re: PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

2010-12-28 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Roland Rosier a écrit : > I get a huge number of lines in my syslog saying: > > Dec 27 12:51:54 x pptp[5043]: anon log[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:414]: > buffering packet 20895 (expecting 20894, lost or reordered) 1) It could be a packet loss issue at the link layer level. Run a packet sn

RE: PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

2010-12-27 Thread Roland Rosier
Hello Russell, Thank you for your reply, I have got the old firewall running (possibly briefly - I think the HD is nearly dead). It still gets full speed on my Internet connection. I do get 2 log messages in syslog, they are a pair: Dec 27 16:25:26 OLD pptp[4373]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:p

Re: PPTP Issues in Debian Testing/Squeeze

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Roland Rosier [101227 13:14]: > I have been using Debian for many years as a Firewall for my > family's computers. ... > I am using the Shorewall firewall with the "two-interfaces" > configuration.  You might get a clue as to what is happening by installing another system such as SmoothWall

Re: PPTP VPN + radius on lenny

2010-03-25 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Mirko Scurk schreef: Hi! On Lenny need to setup pptpd + radius for windows clients. Studied couple of howtos but all seem to be incomplete or to complicated. That's because it is rather complicated. Linux 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem libradiusclient-ng2 0.5.5-1 pptpd

Re: pptp on a virtual machine

2009-06-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:42:05 +0300, Toba wrote: > But there is nothing in /lib/modules > > vps2:~# ls /lib/modules/ > vps2:~# > vps2:~# uname -a > Linux vps2.samyount.info 2.6.24-vz-hostnoc-4.0.0-i386-libata #1 SMP Wed Dec 3 > 19:08:12 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux > vps2:~# > > So how can I install

Re: [pptp-devel] How to config openvpn in debian lenny ?

2009-05-27 Thread a dehqan
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:24 PM, a dehqan wrote: > In The Name Of god > > Thank alot for your attentions ;excuse from this mailing list PROPRIETOR, > i was not awar so what is openvpn mailing list ? > > regards dehqan > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Charlie Brady wrote: > >> >> Please st

Re: [pptp-devel] How to config openvpn in debian lenny ?

2009-05-26 Thread a dehqan
In The Name Of God Thanks alot for you'r attentions ,But why someone think that they just knows google.com ? Yes , that link is for etch and i dont know which steps are for client . And somewhere in that page has been said : Run the following comand lines : source /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/vars for O

Re: [pptp-devel] How to config openvpn in debian lenny ?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Howarth
On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:29:02 +0430 a dehqan wrote: > In The Name Of God > > I'll be thankfull if you guide ,How to config openvpn in debian > client ? This is completely off topic for pptpclient-devel but I'd suggest a straightforward google search: http://www.google.com/search?q=openvpn+clien

Re: PPTP setup

2004-01-04 Thread Lorenzo Rossi
Hi Jamin, Thanks for your suggestions... I have patched my kernel, followed the instructions at the link you suggested, and now I'm near to have it working...:) I have stil a problem concerning the authentication on the win2k server. The server use: EAP, 128bit encryption and MSCHAPv2..I can not

Re: PPTP setup

2003-12-29 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 11:10:50AM +0100, Lorenzo Rossi wrote: > > I would like to setup a pptp client to connect to a win2k pptp server > in my office. > > I use Debian Testing, i have installed the following packages: > > kernel-patch-mppe > pptp-linux > > APT installed also other packages, b

RE: pptp client behind firewall

2003-04-02 Thread Sean McAvoy
--- > From: Kevin Buhr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:26 PM > To: Greg MATTHEWS > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: pptp client behind firewall > > > Kevin Buhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Greg

RE: pptp client behind firewall

2003-04-02 Thread Cory Rudder
: Re: pptp client behind firewall Kevin Buhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Greg MATTHEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I have a linux server setup with pptpd which appears to be working ok (port > > 1723 is definitely open) but i'm having tro

Re: pptp client behind firewall

2003-04-02 Thread Joakim Friberg
But then, the question is if you realy whant to use pptp. I mean, it is not famous for its security. I would recomend you to use l2tp insted (l2tpd is debianized), it is a much more sucure standard then pptp. //Joakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 19:06, Kevin Buhr wrote: > Kevin Buhr

Re: pptp client behind firewall

2003-04-02 Thread Kevin Buhr
Kevin Buhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Greg MATTHEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I have a linux server setup with pptpd which appears to be working ok (port > > 1723 is definitely open) but i'm having trouble connecting to it from behind > > my firewall - a debian pentium running sta

Re: pptp client behind firewall

2003-04-01 Thread Kevin Buhr
Greg MATTHEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have a linux server setup with pptpd which appears to be working ok (port > 1723 is definitely open) but i'm having trouble connecting to it from behind > my firewall - a debian pentium running stable using iptables. You have my sympathies. > doe

Re: pptp client behind firewall

2003-04-01 Thread Talon
Quoting Greg MATTHEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear listers... > > I'm finding it difficult to find up to date docs on pptp setups. > > I have a linux server setup with pptpd which appears to be working ok (port > > 1723 is definitely open) but i'm having trouble connecting to it from behind > >

Re: pptp ...

2003-03-02 Thread Kevin Buhr
Karoly Vegh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Im trying to get into my firm's LAN with pptp from a cable-provider at > homel. Colin Ellis is right. > Feb 26 10:41:59 hb pppd[1271]: rcvd [CHAP Failure id=0x0 "E=691 R=1 > C=3BEDB47127E2081CF23A3BBDAA861AF9 V=3"] The error code here E=691 is a simpl

RE: pptp ...

2003-02-26 Thread Colin Ellis
One of three things: Auth type wrong Username/password wrong your company account not set up correctly. Your drivers are working fine, and the connection is going through the correct motions, it's handshaking part that is failing. Regards, Colin Ellis Solution City Ltd -Original Message--

Re: pptp vpn

2002-11-19 Thread Kevin Buhr
Patrick Hsieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 1. Is pptp+mppe any insecure? Why? Since the pptpd server can force the > connection to use mppe encryption with the client. How come pptp+mppe is > insecure? Is it because the encryption algorithm or lack of the public key > infrastructure? For a

RE: pptp vpn

2002-11-19 Thread Mikael Jirari
Title: RE: pptp vpn For 1., i think ipsec check the integrity of each packet, who is it coming from, who is it going to etc. And it's doing a kind of checksum of each packet, on the data if contains. Also you have two modes in ipsec. partial answer anyway...You can read fre

Re: pptp vpn

2002-11-19 Thread Meir Kriheli
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:01, Patrick Hsieh wrote: > I have two question about pptp vpn: > > 2. I can easily install freeswan on Linux, but where can I find the Windows > client that can talk with freeswan server? This would be a good start: http://vpn.ebootis.de/ -- Meir Kriheli MKsoft sy

Re: pptp vpn

2002-11-18 Thread Patrick Hsieh
I have two question about pptp vpn: 1. Is pptp+mppe any insecure? Why? Since the pptpd server can force the connection to use mppe encryption with the client. How come pptp+mppe is insecure? Is it because the encryption algorithm or lack of the public key infrastructure? 2. I can easily insta

Re: pptp vpn

2002-11-15 Thread Kevin Buhr
Mikael Jirari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I want to patch ppp. > > I did apt-get source ppp and now i have a couple of files with dsc, diff, > orig. > My patch is linux-2.4.16-openssl-0.9.6b-mppe.patch. > > How can i apply the patch, i know how to do for the kernel but not for a > special pa

Re: pptp vpn

2002-11-15 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 07:12:11PM -, Mikael Jirari wrote: > I d/l the sources in /home/mikael/ppp (directory information remvoed) > As root i launch patch -p1 < /path/to/patch/file > or even in ppp-2.4.1.uus and ppp-2.4.1.uus.orig directories, none of > them works > > The result of the comma

RE: pptp vpn

2002-11-15 Thread Mikael Jirari
Title: RE: pptp vpn I d/l the sources in /home/mikael/ppp And i have all these files drwxr-xr-x   17 mikael   mikael   4096 Nov 15 14:41 ppp-2.4.1.uus drwxr-xr-x   16 mikael   mikael   4096 Sep 29  2001 ppp-2.4.1.uus.orig -rw-r--r--    1 root root    47116 Dec 10  2001

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