Re: how to use debootstrap tar as repo inside the chroot

2024-08-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, Tim Woodall wrote: # Reading through this now I'm not absolutely sure that those hoops I # jump throught to sign the repo are needed... Just confirmed the gpg stuff is not needed # Not sure why I have that proxy bit in here either. I think I'm # installing from a file re

Re: how to use debootstrap tar as repo inside the chroot

2024-08-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, daggs wrote: Greetings, I'm working on an automated Debian installation without network access. I've discovered the --make-tarball and --unpack-tarball switches which I use to create the tarball and use it as repo. the initial deployment is this: debootstrap --arch amd64 --

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-02 Thread Richard
On 02.07.24 02:57, George at Clug wrote: I wanted to know "how to configure and use Wine to run a Windows program". And that's why you should try out Bottles, because it's not just plain Wine. If you succeed with it, you can check the source code, what exactly they are doing that enables bett

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread George at Clug
Thanks for your reply Jeff, On Tuesday, 02-07-2024 at 10:16 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 6:33 PM George at Clug wrote: > > > > To all who replied, Thanks. > > > > Sadly after further testing I still have very little success with Wine. > > > > When I installed WineHQ's Wine Insta

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 6:33 PM George at Clug wrote: > > To all who replied, Thanks. > > Sadly after further testing I still have very little success with Wine. > > When I installed WineHQ's Wine Installation, Gecko and Mono were able to be > installed. I noticed a rpcss.exe (from memory) in Task

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread George at Clug
To all who replied, Thanks. Sadly after further testing I still have very little success with Wine. When I installed WineHQ's Wine Installation, Gecko and Mono were able to be installed. I noticed a rpcss.exe (from memory) in Taskmgr. This at least allowed me to display the initial web page in

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 10:45:39AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and > > .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or > > hardware vendor supported, as otherwise I don't know the people providing > > the

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread Stefan Monnier
> As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and > .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or > hardware vendor supported, as otherwise I don't know the people providing > the package. I have this strange belief that when a developer supplies > a

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread Richard
On 01.07.24 11:13, George at Clug wrote: As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or hardware vendor supported, Hardware vendor distributed installation files usually should not be used, espec

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread George at Clug
On Monday, 01-07-2024 at 18:37 Richard wrote: > This has nothing to do with maturity. Thanks for picking that point up. I was not sure how to explain my reasoning. I will try to give a better explanation. As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and .debs, when the

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread Richard
This has nothing to do with maturity. Only with the existence of someone willing to maintain it - and its dependencies if needed. They don't publish it as anything else than a Flatpak as that's by far the easiest way to make sure it works for everyone, and thus they don't officially support any oth

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-07-01 Thread didier gaumet
Hello, Absolutely no idea if it will help you solve your problem but the Archwiki has an potentially interesting tip for reverting the Debian default behavior: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Prevent_installing_Mono/Gecko so, perhaps setting the WINEDLLOVERRIDES environment variable to

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-06-30 Thread George at Clug
On Monday, 01-07-2024 at 15:48 didier gaumet wrote: > Le 01/07/2024 à 01:24, George at Clug a écrit : > [...] > > I have not found useful documentation that can get me over the "Could not > > find Wine Gecko", "Failed to init Gecko" error messages. > [...] > > Hello, > > disclaimer: I have n

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-06-30 Thread didier gaumet
Le 01/07/2024 à 01:24, George at Clug a écrit : [...] I have not found useful documentation that can get me over the "Could not find Wine Gecko", "Failed to init Gecko" error messages. [...] Hello, disclaimer: I have not used Wine in ages, so I cannot be of real help Note, you could tell wh

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-06-30 Thread George at Clug
Richard, Thanks for your reply. On Sunday, 30-06-2024 at 17:11 Richard wrote: > Depends on what you are trying to do. I am trying to understand how to use Wine so that I can install various Windows programs and have them work. With the knowledge I would like to help others who are even less t

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-06-30 Thread Mario Marietto
You can try this tool : https://github.com/winegui/WineGUI On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 1:58 PM Richard wrote: > Depends on what you are trying to do. But in my experience, if you don't > need to do some heavy work to maybe get something to work, take a look at > Bottles [1]. It's kinda a GUI for W

Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work

2024-06-30 Thread Richard
Depends on what you are trying to do. But in my experience, if you don't need to do some heavy work to maybe get something to work, take a look at Bottles [1]. It's kinda a GUI for Wine and Proton and seems to have some tricks up its sleeves. So take a look at it, maybe it can do everything you are

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-29 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 15:05:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > David writes: > > With chrony, you can monitor the RTC over time and adjust the system > > clock in accordance with its drift rate at boot time, without > > correcting the RTC itself, or you can actually set the RTC from the > > system cl

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-29 Thread David Wright
On Sat 29 Jun 2024 at 06:53:48 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 02:05:48PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 11:14:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > > > David writes: > > > > It's not clear to me which NTP (protocol) packages are set up to use > > > > the

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-29 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 16:39:14 +0100 "mick.crane" wrote: > > * Invest in a decent GPS receiver, and install chrony and gpsd on > > the machine. Doing so may get the system clock in synch faster; it > > may not. Doing that sort of thing is well documented on the gpsd > > home page. > > Wouldn't y

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-29 Thread mick.crane
On 2024-06-29 04:52, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:48:03 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: I have a machine whose RTC clock is drifting significantly and it is often suspended for several days. I run NTP so the drift I see when I wake the machine up gets fixed by "stepping" the clock

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 02:05:48PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 11:14:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > > David writes: > > > It's not clear to me which NTP (protocol) packages are set up to use > > > the util-linux stuff, assuming you're not rolling your own > > > startup/shut

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:48:03 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have a machine whose RTC clock is drifting significantly and it is > often suspended for several days. I run NTP so the drift I see when > I wake the machine up gets fixed by "stepping" the clock after a > while, but that can take a wh

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Max Nikulin
On 29/06/2024 01:49, Stefan Monnier wrote: But note that when we wake up ntpsec is already running It should be possible to stop the NTP daemon on suspend (or hibernate) and start it on resume. I think, what you are truing to achieve is doable. I do not agree with Greg. The question is what

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 17:03:47 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > David has said that chrony can do fancy things involving the hardware > > clock. Maybe you should investigate that solution path. > > I'm trying to find out how to fix it Right, rather than how to work > around the problem (I alre

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Notice I wrote "sleep". I'm concerned about the suspend+wakeup case, >> not the case when you're booting up. >> [ I thought I'd made it abundantly clear. ] > I'm not a laptop person. I don't know how to fix laptop-specific issues. FWIW, the offending machine is a desktop. I `suspend` most of

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 14:44:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 14:54:42 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The *only* thing you know at boot time is what's in the HW clock, and > > if you're really lucky, you'll be able to figure out what time zone > > it's allegedly set to (aft

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread John Hasler
David writes: > With chrony, you can monitor the RTC over time and adjust the system > clock in accordance with its drift rate at boot time, without > correcting the RTC itself, or you can actually set the RTC from the > system clock periodically. That leads to the probelem that started this threa

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Yeah, except... you're assuming a workflow that is not real or reliable. [...] >> It is if /etc/adjtime is set properly when you go to sleep. > You cannot assume that adjtime was updated the last time your system > stopped running, because your system might have stopped running due to > a crash,

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 14:54:42 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > It's not like you can say "Oh, I was asleep for 7.5234 hours, so I need > > > to adjust the HW clock time forward by X seconds because I know it runs > > > a bit slow." That information is not available to you. > > > > It is if /e

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 11:14:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > David writes: > > It's not clear to me which NTP (protocol) packages are set up to use > > the util-linux stuff, assuming you're not rolling your own > > startup/shutdown scripts. (That's the problem in the Subject line, in > > a sense.)

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
> > It's not like you can say "Oh, I was asleep for 7.5234 hours, so I need > > to adjust the HW clock time forward by X seconds because I know it runs > > a bit slow." That information is not available to you. > > It is if /etc/adjtime is set properly when you go to sleep. > See `hwclock(8)` or

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
John Hasler [2024-06-28 09:41:06] wrote: > Stefan writes: >> The question remains: how to make use of that info upon wakeup to >> adjust the "initial" time before NTP takes over. > hwclock -a can do this. Indeed, and my question can be thought of as asking how to run `hwclock -a` when we wake up (

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The hardware clock has a time, which is loaded into the system clock > to initialize it. That's it. The only variable factor here is whether > the hardware clock's time is in UTC or some local time zone. > > You can't do anything with drift at this point, because you don't actually > know how l

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread John Hasler
David writes: > It's not clear to me which NTP (protocol) packages are set up to use > the util-linux stuff, assuming you're not rolling your own > startup/shutdown scripts. (That's the problem in the Subject line, in > a sense.) Chrony can. I don't know about Ntpsec. But that doesn't get the ad

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 09:41:06 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > Stefan writes: > > The question remains: how to make use of that info upon wakeup to > > adjust the "initial" time before NTP takes over. > > hwclock -a can do this. Sure it can. > If you use it be sure ntpsec isn't trying to do > the

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread John Hasler
Stefan writes: > The question remains: how to make use of that info upon wakeup to > adjust the "initial" time before NTP takes over. hwclock -a can do this. If you use it be sure ntpsec isn't trying to do the same thing. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 10:06:23 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 09:48:12 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Oh, indeed, thanks. I had computed it manually from > > `journalctl | grep stepped` and it gave close enough results. > > The question remains: how to make use of that i

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 09:48:12 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Oh, indeed, thanks. I had computed it manually from > `journalctl | grep stepped` and it gave close enough results. > The question remains: how to make use of that info upon wakeup to adjust > the "initial" time before NTP takes over.

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Do you really run ntp? You might already be running ntpsec, > its replacement. I call it ntp but yes, it's ntpsec. >> The /etc/adjtime is supposed to be there for such purposes but it seems >> to be mostly unused: I assume its "UTC" setting is respected but the >> first and second lines indica

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I think hwclock(8) has the info you need. On my system (yes, one of > those) there is an /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh which seems to take care > of that. No idea how the young'uns do it, though :-) AFAICT this `hwclock.sh` (which I do have) is not used (I'm using systemd) and even less so upon suspend

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-27 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Jun 2024 at 12:48:03 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have a machine whose RTC clock is drifting significantly and it is > often suspended for several days. I run NTP so the drift I see when > I wake the machine up gets fixed by "stepping" the clock after a while, > but that can take a

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-27 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:48:03PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have a machine whose RTC clock is drifting significantly and it is > often suspended for several days. I run NTP so the drift I see when > I wake the machine up gets fixed by "stepping" the clock after a while, > but that can take

Re: Linux supprt (was: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?])

2023-11-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 7:48 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> Indeed, technically-inclined people are often better served with Free > >> Software, and Free Software can also be a great choice for large > >> corporations who can either have on-site techsupport people or can hire > >> external suppor

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
Anssi Saari [2023-11-13 12:34:13] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> My home NAS is in a completely different category: >> an ARM SBC with on-board SATA. Much smaller, extremely quiet (no fan), >> and between 5W and 10W of power consumption depending on whether it's >> mostly idle (the overwhelmi

Linux supprt (was: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?])

2023-11-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Indeed, technically-inclined people are often better served with Free >> Software, and Free Software can also be a great choice for large >> corporations who can either have on-site techsupport people or can hire >> external support, but it is a lot more difficult to find commercial >> support f

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-13 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Monnier writes: > My home NAS is in a completely different category: > an ARM SBC with on-board SATA. Much smaller, extremely quiet (no fan), > and between 5W and 10W of power consumption depending on whether it's > mostly idle (the overwhelmingly common case) or not. So which ARM SBC an

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread tomas
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 03:17:17PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > FOSS is great for learning by doing, but commercial products can be a better > > choice when a family member, a friend, a neighbor, and especially clients > > and employers, want a computer, a server, a network gateway, etc.. It i

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
> FOSS is great for learning by doing, but commercial products can be a better > choice when a family member, a friend, a neighbor, and especially clients > and employers, want a computer, a server, a network gateway, etc.. It is > ironically satisfying when those commercial products have FOSS on

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread David Christensen
On 11/12/23 09:15, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: An obvious difference between internal and external drives is physical protection. Internal drives and cables are protected. Everything gets power from the same source (PSU, PCU fed b

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread David Christensen
On 11/12/23 05:15, Andy Smith wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: SSD RAID10 is very impressive when everything else matches. Backups over a Gigabit LAN onto SATA III SSD RAID10 does not make sense because Gigabit Ethernet is rated for 1 Gbps read/ write an

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > On 11/11/23 08:52, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:22:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: > > > > On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Are these 2TB S

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:01:47PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > SSD RAID10 is very impressive when everything else matches. Backups over a > Gigabit LAN onto SATA III SSD RAID10 does not make sense because Gigabit > Ethernet is rated for 1 Gbps read/ write and a SATA III SSD RAID10 is

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I have always liked ATX tower cases with lots of drive bays, both internal > and external. Over time, more products have become available with good > cooling and low noise. I have not found a major computer manufacturer who > makes servers with all of those features, so I build my own: > > * Fr

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread David Christensen
On 11/11/23 08:52, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:22:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: And I just looked at tht pair, and acc gparted they have both been pvcreated, so I'll leave then alone and

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Dan Ritter
Jeffrey Walton wrote: > >From what I've read when comparing OpenMediaVault vs TrueNAS, it > usually comes down to the power consumption of the mini computer/mini > pc. 5W can save you $100 USD per year. Probably more now due to > inflation. 5W * 24h/D * 30 D/M * 12M/Y = 43200 Wh, or 43.2KWh per

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 6:20 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > >From what I've read when comparing OpenMediaVault vs TrueNAS, it > > usually comes down to the power consumption of the mini computer/mini > > pc. 5W can save you $100 USD per year. Probably more now due to > > inflat

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread gene heskett
On 11/11/23 15:41, Pocket wrote: On 11/11/23 13:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, zero issues. The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered USB hub. Hmm...  so mayb

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 1:48 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, > > zero issues. > > The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. > > I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered > > USB hub. > > Hmm... so mayb

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Pocket
On 11/11/23 13:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, zero issues. The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered USB hub. Hmm... so maybe the USB connection is not directl

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I have used ssd drives connected to a RPI4 ever since the 4 came out, > zero issues. > The RPI4's boot from the ssd drives. > I have 4 SSD drives connected to a single RPI4 currently, using a powered > USB hub. Hmm... so maybe the USB connection is not directly relevant either and the real issu

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Pocket
On 11/11/23 12:05, Stefan Monnier wrote: Are these 2TB SSDs or hard disks? I would counsel very strongly indeed against using any ARM-based single board computer as a RAID device on USB connections - they're just *not* up to it. I don't think the issue is whether they're ARM based. The issue

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread fxkl47BF
just my two sense not advice or promotion i've used this device for about 2.5 years with 6tb harddrives in raid 1 i have partitions on the raid for the os, debian, and the rest for backups no problems so far https://ameridroid.com/products/odroid-hc4

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Are these 2TB SSDs or hard disks? I would counsel very strongly indeed > against using any ARM-based single board computer as a RAID device on > USB connections - they're just *not* up to it. I don't think the issue is whether they're ARM based. The issue is simply how you connect the disks: i

Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

2023-11-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:22:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: > > On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: > > > And I just looked at tht pair, and acc gparted they have both been > > > pvcreated, so I'll leave then alone and steal the dvd cable, puttin >

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-10 Thread gene heskett
On 11/10/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote: On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: But before I do yet another reinstall, 24th or so. two of the sata 2t's are installed, and I'm tempted to rsych the raid to one of them to see if reassigning /home to a copy of /home does away with this horrible

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-10 Thread David Christensen
On 11/8/23 02:20, gene heskett wrote: But before I do yet another reinstall, 24th or so. two of the sata 2t's are installed, and I'm tempted to rsych the raid to one of them to see if reassigning /home to a copy of /home does away with this horrible lag I'm wanting to blame on the raid10. Te

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-09 Thread debian-user
Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2023 at 05:19:01PM -0700, Tom Dial wrote: > > On 11/7/23 17:19, gene heskett wrote: > > > What do I do if a gpt partition table has already been made and > > > an ext4 system is already installed? IOW just how "bare" a disk > > > is needed? Is writ

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-09 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Nov 08, 2023 at 05:19:01PM -0700, Tom Dial wrote: > On 11/7/23 17:19, gene heskett wrote: > > What do I do if a gpt partition table has already been made and > > an ext4 system is already installed? IOW just how "bare" a disk > > is needed? Is writing a null gpt sufficient? > You c

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-08 Thread Tom Dial
On 11/8/23 03:20, gene heskett wrote: On 11/8/23 00:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 07:19:40PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [...] What do I do if a gpt partition table has already been made and an ext4 system is already installed? IOW just how "bare" a disk is needed? Is

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-08 Thread Tom Dial
On 11/7/23 17:19, gene heskett wrote: On 11/7/23 18:42, Tom Dial wrote: On 11/6/23 08:47, Franco Martelli wrote: On 03/11/23 at 17:27, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; As usual, the man page may as well be written in swahili. The NDE syndrome, meaning No D-d Examples. I have those

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-08 Thread jeremy ardley
On 9/11/23 02:02, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Double check - sometimes one socket may be intended primarily for "other" M2 devices. There shouldn't be any particular difference between the two - one is obviously easier to reach than the other. Occasionally, having two may mean that they run slight

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-08 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Nov 08, 2023 at 05:20:47AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 11/8/23 00:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 07:19:40PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > Sounds good. > However I may go a different route. I have a not installed 2T WD-Black SN770 > NVMe SSD, format 2280. T

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-08 Thread gene heskett
On 11/8/23 00:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 07:19:40PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [...] What do I do if a gpt partition table has already been made and an ext4 system is already installed? IOW just how "bare" a disk is needed? Is writing a null gpt sufficient? Hm. I may

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-07 Thread tomas
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 07:19:40PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [...] > What do I do if a gpt partition table has already been made and an ext4 > system is already installed? IOW just how "bare" a disk is needed? Is > writing a null gpt sufficient? Hm. I may have missed something, but I've got the

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-07 Thread David Christensen
On 11/7/23 16:19, gene heskett wrote: On 11/7/23 18:42, Tom Dial wrote: On 03/11/23 at 17:27, gene heskett wrote: I have those 2 2T SSD's with a gpt partition table on both, allocated as sdc1 and sdk1, formatted to ext4, named and labeled as lvm1 and lvm2. Temp mounted as sdc1 and sdk1 to /mn

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-07 Thread gene heskett
On 11/7/23 18:42, Tom Dial wrote: On 11/6/23 08:47, Franco Martelli wrote: On 03/11/23 at 17:27, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; As usual, the man page may as well be written in swahili. The NDE syndrome, meaning No D-d Examples. I have those 2 2T SSD's with a gpt partition table on

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-07 Thread Tom Dial
On 11/6/23 08:47, Franco Martelli wrote: On 03/11/23 at 17:27, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; As usual, the man page may as well be written in swahili. The NDE syndrome, meaning No D-d Examples. I have those 2 2T SSD's with a gpt partition table on both, allocated as sdc1 and sdk1,

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-06 Thread gene heskett
On 11/6/23 10:48, Franco Martelli wrote: On 03/11/23 at 17:27, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; As usual, the man page may as well be written in swahili. The NDE syndrome, meaning No D-d Examples. I have those 2 2T SSD's with a gpt partition table on both, allocated as sdc1 and sdk1, f

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-06 Thread Franco Martelli
On 03/11/23 at 17:27, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; As usual, the man page may as well be written in swahili. The NDE syndrome, meaning No D-d Examples. I have those 2 2T SSD's with a gpt partition table on both, allocated as sdc1 and sdk1, formatted to ext4, named and labeled as lvm

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Christensen wrote: > Are there tools other than xorriso(1) that can create a compatible checksum? > Read the checksum? Not yet. The data format is documented in https://dev.lovelyhq.com/libburnia/libisofs/raw/branch/master/doc/checksums.txt For the general concept of AAIP attributes

xorriso and SIGTERM/SIGINT handler (was: Re: How to use dmsetuup?)

2023-11-05 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/11/2023 15:04, Thomas Schmitt wrote: If you want to abort earlier, do not press Ctrl+C but rather do touch /var/opt/xorriso/do_abort_check_media I do not have an optical drive around for last years, so feel free to ignore my question. Are there obstacles making implementation of prope

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread David Christensen
On 11/5/23 14:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: David Christensen wrote: Adding checksum file(s) to the contents burned to disc is an important step that should not be omitted I let xorriso compute and store the checksums in a non-file block range at the end of the ISO filesystem. Each file gets an AA

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread David Christensen
On 11/5/23 12:46, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: David Christensen wrote: On 11/5/23 01:04, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Lesson learnt: Never overwrite the two youngest backups. I try to use the term "backup" to mean a data copying process whereby older data is overwritten by newer data. I tr

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Christensen wrote: > Adding checksum file(s) to the contents burned to disc is an important step > that should not be omitted I let xorriso compute and store the checksums in a non-file block range at the end of the ISO filesystem. Each file gets an AAIP attribute which points to an MD5

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread debian-user
David Christensen wrote: > On 11/5/23 01:04, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Lesson learnt: Never overwrite the two youngest backups. > > I try to use the term "backup" to mean a data copying process whereby > older data is overwritten by newer data. > > I try to use the term "archive' to mean a d

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread David Christensen
On 11/5/23 01:04, Thomas Schmitt wrote: David Christensen wrote: I have been burning archive DVD-R discs for ~14 years and storing them in a drawer (e.g. darkness). I checked the oldest just now and it reads okay. That's my experience too. Okay. I check by MD5 which are stored on the m

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread gene heskett
On 11/5/23 05:28, David Christensen wrote: On 11/5/23 01:47, gene heskett wrote: On 11/5/23 01:46, David Christensen wrote: I am worried that you are going to make a mistake and suffer a data disaster (partial or total).  That is why I suggested that you give the Asus a rest and build a backup

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread David Christensen
On 11/5/23 01:47, gene heskett wrote: On 11/5/23 01:46, David Christensen wrote: I am worried that you are going to make a mistake and suffer a data disaster (partial or total).  That is why I suggested that you give the Asus a rest and build a backup server now. I'm also into 3d printers,

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread gene heskett
On 11/5/23 01:46, David Christensen wrote: On 11/4/23 21:05, gene heskett wrote: On 11/4/23 23:15, David Christensen wrote: On 11/4/23 17:55, gene heskett wrote: FWIW the rw's I have and that continue to work, are Sony DVD+RW, well over 5 years old now. I understand there is a DVD-RW but I've

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-05 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have 3 100 disk spindles of dvd's bought years ago, that are > > no longer recognized in any of the 4 or 5 dvd writers I have, but one box > > of rewritables about the same age, stored n a light tight cardboard box, > > will likely outlast me. Unwritten write-once me

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread David Christensen
On 11/4/23 21:05, gene heskett wrote: On 11/4/23 23:15, David Christensen wrote: On 11/4/23 17:55, gene heskett wrote: FWIW the rw's I have and that continue to work, are Sony DVD+RW, well over 5 years old now. I understand there is a DVD-RW but I've no experience with them.  Today my objectio

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread gene heskett
On 11/4/23 23:15, David Christensen wrote: On 11/4/23 17:55, gene heskett wrote: FWIW the rw's I have and that continue to work, are Sony DVD+RW, well over 5 years old now. I understand there is a DVD-RW but I've no experience with them.  Today my objection is the size. In comparison to a sys

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread David Christensen
On 11/4/23 17:55, gene heskett wrote: FWIW the rw's I have and that continue to work, are Sony DVD+RW, well over 5 years old now. I understand there is a DVD-RW but I've no experience with them.  Today my objection is the size. In comparison to a system driving 3d printers with gcode from Cura

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread gene heskett
On 11/4/23 19:39, David Christensen wrote: On 11/4/23 15:26, gene heskett wrote: On 11/4/23 17:38, David Christensen wrote: In any case, burn your most valuable data to optical discs regularly. Not great advice unless you lock the resultant dvd away from all room lighting. I have 3 100 dis

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread yxcv
On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 16:39:03 -0700 David Christensen wrote: Does anyone have experience with M-Disc media? No. I trust a little bit more in RAID

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread David Christensen
On 11/4/23 15:26, gene heskett wrote: On 11/4/23 17:38, David Christensen wrote: In any case, burn your most valuable data to optical discs regularly. Not great advice unless you lock the resultant dvd away from all room lighting. I have 3 100 disk spindles of dvd's bought years ago, that a

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread gene heskett
On 11/4/23 17:38, David Christensen wrote: On 11/4/23 04:46, gene heskett wrote: ... my only previous experience with logical volumes 20 years ago cost me dearly in terms of lost, irreplaceable data, like the only pictures of my first wife ... On 11/4/23 05:22, gene heskett wrote: On 11/4/

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread gene heskett
On 11/4/23 09:45, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Nov 04, 2023 at 07:46:09AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] I'v got to the above point but the first example that looked good created a 100% allocated, no free space "homevol" So I used gparted to delete the partitions & reformat them to ext4 a

Re: How to use dmsetuup?

2023-11-04 Thread David Christensen
On 11/4/23 04:46, gene heskett wrote: ... my only previous experience with logical volumes 20 years ago cost me dearly in terms of lost, irreplaceable data, like the only pictures of my first wife ... On 11/4/23 05:22, gene heskett wrote: On 11/4/23 05:39, Andy Smith wrote: Maybe it is time

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