> Aye, it’s way too big a topic for the mailing list. If you’re
> interested in the whole debate (as far back as 2003) you can find
> highlights here:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA
Thanks, that very much answers my question.
I guess if `ssmtp` had been extended to allow local deli
> On 17 Jul 2025, at 20:09, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> On 17.07.2025 19:00 Uhr Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
>> I don't have anything against Exim4 (I just happened to choose Postfix
>> many years ago and never had a reason to reconsider that choice).
>> I know basically nothing about Exim4 other than th
On 17.07.2025 19:00 Uhr Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I don't have anything against Exim4 (I just happened to choose Postfix
> many years ago and never had a reason to reconsider that choice).
> I know basically nothing about Exim4 other than the fact that
> installing Postfix instead saved a few kB (no
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 12:54:58PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Why does Debian default to installing Exim4?
Just historical reasons I think: No great mystery, just that a choice
had to be made and that was the choice that was made.
Personally I haven't been too thrilled with Exim's securi
4 Jul 2025, 22:39 by tia...@debian.org:
> Instead of a reference to Podman in an article about Docker, this should
> mention running Docker in "rootless" mode: >
> https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/rootless/
>
> (Podman should stick to articles about Podman.)
>
Point well taken. I leave it
On Fri, Jul 4, 2025, 19:30 Debian Wiki wrote:
> The "Docker" page has been changed by BordenRhodes:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Docker?action=diff&rev1=40&rev2=41
>
> Comment:
> Moving Podman plug into security warning. Consider making its own section.
>
>
> Docker has no equivalent to `sudo`'s p
On 6/23/25 19:06, Maureen Thomas wrote:
Using the latest Linux 12 there is. I had vpn by nord. All of a sudden
the password app wanted my master password. I had renewed it as asked
by them 5 days ago along with the recovery code. I typed it in and it
said wrong password. I have only had on
On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 9:34 PM Maureen Thomas
wrote:
> <... snip ...>
>
> So I need to know if there is any way to change my damn root password and
> how to get synaptic to accept them. I just turned 75 so I write a lot of
> stuff down so I do not forget. I would greatly appreciate your help
🧲
>
Maureen
HAve you set-uo sudo?
If so, try
sudo passed
Enter your user apssword, then your new root passwd
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On June 24, 2025 12:06:14 PM GMT+10:00, Maureen Thomas
wrote:
>Using the latest Li
Hi,
Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote:
> Dear core developers of Debian,
> I Am kindly warning you, that when I have tried to run
> debian-trixie-DI-alpha1-amd64-netinst.iso
> on my system, which support multiple kind of sound output, when I have
> pressed Enter key after hearing The message. Type Enter
Seems that setting to memory to 768MB fixes it
On Wed, 4 Jun 2025, xuser wrote:
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 22:53:01 + (UTC)
From: xuser
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian locking up
Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 22:53:31 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
My de
On 2025-06-06, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote:
>
> Solution -- Found it:
>
> The problem was a setting the System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Desk=
> top Effects -> and then under Accessibility, the Zoom option. Unselect the =
> Zoom option and it cured my problem.
Sounds like an option Ric
Solution -- Found it:
The problem was a setting the System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Desktop
Effects -> and then under Accessibility, the Zoom option. Unselect the Zoom
option and it cured my problem.
Thanks Greg!
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Jun 6, 2025, 08:09 by curtys...@gmail.com:
> On 2025-06-03, in
On 2025-06-03, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote:
>
> I'm running KDE/Wayland (does the same with Xorg too) on Bookw
> orm/stable and while using the system all of a sudden the screen
> became "larger" than the actual screen -- like I was using some sort
> of "virtual desktop."
System Settings → Dis
On 05/06/2025 03:21, Van Snyder wrote:
This isn't exactly useful if you don't have a Windoze key. I love my old
"Model M" IBM PS-2 keyboard. Reliable for the last thirty five years.
Lovely "feel." Built like a brick sh¡thouse.
Can I create a Windoze key by remapping something, say "Pause?"
On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 14:08:48 -0700
Van Snyder wrote:
Hello Van,
>There's a "Shortcuts" page but it's a list of shortcuts to launch
>applications,
Here, that page has an 'Add New' button right at the top.
Plasma has a submenu (with some fairly esoteric things listed) which I
don't recall seing
I have a Windows key on this keyboard (pressing it seems to do nothing).
Pressing the Win key with Alt and moving the mouse and various combinations
does nothing to "switch off" this mode and to restore a normal-sized desktop.
Suggestions please?
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On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 21:47 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 13:21:37 -0700
> Van Snyder wrote:
>
> Hello Van,
>
> > This isn't exactly useful if you don't have a Windoze key. I love
> > my
>
> My thoughts, exactly.
>
> > Can I create a Windoze key by remapping something, say "P
On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 13:21:37 -0700
Van Snyder wrote:
Hello Van,
>This isn't exactly useful if you don't have a Windoze key. I love my
My thoughts, exactly.
>Can I create a Windoze key by remapping something, say "Pause?"
Yes, you can with remapping. It's not something I've ever had to do,
b
On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 20:40 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 21:23:24 +0200 (CEST)
> intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote:
>
> Hello intnsred...@tutamail.com,
>
> > every ALT key combination I can think of -- no luck.
>
> In testing, KDE has moved many of Plasma's ALT key combos to the M
On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 21:23:24 +0200 (CEST)
intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote:
Hello intnsred...@tutamail.com,
>every ALT key combination I can think of -- no luck.
In testing, KDE has moved many of Plasma's ALT key combos to the META
(Windows) key.
Really helpfully.
Without notice or warning I could
Thanks Cindy! But I've tried about every ALT key combination I can think of --
no luck.
Thus I'm hoping some kind soul here will notice this thread and whack me
(gently) with a clue-bat.
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On Wed, 2025-06-04 at 01:31 +0200, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote:
> I'm running KDE/Wayland (does the same with Xorg too) on
> Bookworm/stable
> and while using the system all of a sudden the screen became "larger"
> than the
> actual screen -- like I was using some sort of "virtual desktop."
On 5/26/25 13:02, David Wright wrote:
On Mon 26 May 2025 at 10:11:50 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
Now I connect a SATA to USB adapter cable to a 2.5" SATA SSD and
install Debian onto the SSD:
https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/usb3s2sat3cb
Can you boot it on both BIOS and EFI machines, l
On Mon 26 May 2025 at 10:11:50 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 5/26/25 01:32, riveravaldez wrote:
> > Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I
> > need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I
> > can use in any desktop/laptop) wi
On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 10:11:50AM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 5/26/25 01:32, riveravaldez wrote:
> > Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I
> > need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I
> > can use in any desktop/laptop)
El lunes, 26 de mayo de 2025, Richard Owlett escribió:
> On 5/26/25 3:32 AM, riveravaldez wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages
I
>> need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I
>> can use in any desktop/laptop) with persi
On 5/26/25 01:32, riveravaldez wrote:
Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I
need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I
can use in any desktop/laptop) with persistence and some way to upgrade it
when next Stable gets published. Is
On 5/26/25 3:32 AM, riveravaldez wrote:
Hi, I would like to make a minimal Debian Stable -with only the packages I
need- available as a LiveUSB bootable system (nomadic, USB-stick, which I
can use in any desktop/laptop) with persistence and some way to upgrade it
when next Stable gets published.
> Tim Woodall :
>> What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1?
> Yes. It's 2.2 from 2000.
Wow! Talk about blast from the past!
Potato was my first debian version.
I created a netboot floppy for potato and used it to install debian on
several computers, downloading everything over the net.
On 2025-05-11, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> This thread is a waist of time!
>>
> Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings.
It's a pretty hip saying.
> Cheers
> Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
>
>
>
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 10:48:55AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
For a futile attempt at correcting topic drift, I commented about
laptops and their displays. So how many laptops do you have with a 16:10
aspect display and from which decade are they from? I know of exactly
one model from this decade
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 06:29:58AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
This is simple: if you have a 7 year old machine, find someone throwing out
a 4 year old machine, take it, and throw out the 7 year old machine instead.
Refusing to ta
On 2025-05-12, David Christensen wrote:
> On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote:
>> The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially
>> useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an
>> efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them.
>
>
> In ye
On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 12:30 AM wrote:
> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer
> > > period.
> >
> > What are you even talking about?
>
> Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and sh
Eben King writes:
> On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> Stefan Monnier writes:
>> It does seem like the slightly longer 16:10 screens are making a
>> comeback, at least in the Thinkpad T16.
>
> Two of my monitors have that aspect ratio.
Well, why not, let's ramble on about loosely related
On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 03:55:30PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
[...]
> > The embedded cost in older machines has amortised over a longer
> > period.
>
> What are you even talking about?
Longer life: you divvy up the manufacturing (and shipping, and...) over
a longer time.
> > I don't follow yo
On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote:
The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially
useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an
efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them.
In years past, I bought used computers and components via c
Get a life!
On 5/11/2025 12:37 PM, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote:
[snip]
This thread is a waist of time!
Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings.
Cheers
Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
Hi,
On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 04:37:08PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote:
> > This thread is a waist of time!
> >
> Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings.
Some people just like to explore the pant leg less travelled
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 05:58:43PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any
> more, but it usually makes sens
On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote:
[snip]
>
> This thread is a waist of time!
>
Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings.
Cheers
Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 12:15 (UTC-0400):
> On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400):
>>> On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote:
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my
> old T6
On 5/11/25 12:05, Felix Miata wrote:
Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400):
On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote:
Stefan Monnier wrote:
FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my
old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer
batter
Eben King composed on 2025-05-11 10:02 (UTC-0400):
> On 5/11/25 Anssi Saari wrote:
>> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my
>>> old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer
>>> battery life, much lighter, much s
On 5/11/25 08:46, Anssi Saari wrote:
Stefan Monnier writes:
FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my
old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer
battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly
faster, and it suffe
On 2025-05-10, Thomas Dineen wrote:
> In love with old hardware?
>
> Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!!
I had two rescue cats, but when they died it hurt so much I don't
want to go through that again.
Stefan Monnier writes:
> FWIW, I tried a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen5 (2017) as a replacement for my
> old T61, and while it does come with some notable improvements (longer
> battery life, much lighter, much smaller pixels), it wasn't terribly
> faster, and it suffered from a shorter screen, so in th
On 2025-05-10, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other
>> kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much
>> practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing
>> what's possible.
>
> Hmm... FWIW, here are the comput
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:44:09AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:
[...]
> This thread is a waist of time!
You seem to like waisting your time. Wait until it
is the wrist's turn...
Cheers
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Thomas Dineen wrote:
> This thread is a waist of time!
Not when it produces delightful misspellings like this one.
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https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Yes I am about to: Household and yard work!
Suggest you go do something useful: For yourself, your family
your home, your community.
This thread is a waist of time!
On 5/10/2025 10:40 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:
[...]
Or maybe
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:26:21AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:
[...]
> Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling?
Grumpy today?
Jeez. Go do some sports.
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In love with old hardware?
Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!!
Or maybe just maybe Mental Health Counseling?
On 5/10/2025 4:30 AM, songbird wrote:
Oliver Schode wrote:
...
My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will
always carry the day if only because
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:02:26AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any
> > more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic
> > devices as long as they
On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 10:55:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any
more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electronic
devices as long as they can do their job. That usually means at least
10 years.
No need for any h
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being
> >told that they are!),
>
> The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for
> decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement
> in efficiency is readily av
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder.
>
> And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it!
the timescale of how long too. Fukushima is dragging on and
on and Chernobyl is becoming a mess again and no end for that
one seems to be
Oliver Schode wrote:
...
> My heart goes out to those with a heart for working things, we will
> always carry the day if only because there were strictly less gadgety
> things around in the past, with much fewer still with us, and this is
> strictly always true. Quantity matters, this isn't just a
On 5/9/25 22:55, Stefan Monnier wrote:
the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on
ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where
only two machines exist.
Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any
more, but it usually makes
> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder.
And don't forget the energy that will be needed to dismantle it!
Stefan
> * If a new machine is genuinely more efficient (and we keep being
>told that they are!),
The capacity of laptop batteries has been stable around 50-100Wh for
decades, so the detailed and concrete data about potential improvement
in efficiency is readily available in the form measurement of
> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other
> kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much
> practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing
> what's possible.
Hmm... FWIW, here are the computers I use on a regular basis:
- Thinkpad X30
> the entire argument about keeping antique hardware in operation on
> ecological grounds makes no sense except in a hypothetical world where
> only two machines exist.
Clearly, there's a limit beyond which it doesn't make any sense any
more, but it usually makes sense to keep operating old electr
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:43:45 - (UTC)
Greg wrote:
>
> What's the "embedded" CO2 usage of a nuclear reactor, I wonder.
>
Big power plants are obviously great consumers of power themselves,
some of the greatest probably. More notoriously, they'll usually need
lots of power to power up, nothing
On 2025-05-08, wrote:
>
>> I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research
>> online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2
>> emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use.
>
> Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this topic, too (and
> am mulling to have a d
Good idea!
On Thu, 8 May 2025, David Christensen wrote:
Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 11:10:06 -0700
From: David Christensen
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade
Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 18:10:28 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 06:38:57PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
[...]
> I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research
> online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2
> emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use.
Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than
>> something small and more recent might use.
>
> While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
> a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy
> in a lapto
Thomas Dineen wrote:
This whole thread is INSANE!!!
Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be
USELESS!
On 5/8/25 11:16 AM, Charles Curley wrote:
Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install
Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so.
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:53:26AM -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:
> This whole thread is INSANE!!!
What is this with some people wanting to prescribe others what
to do?
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Thomas Dineen wrote:
> This whole thread is INSANE!!!
>
> Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be
> USELESS!
Well, yes. But the original question was whether one could install
Debian on it, not whether it would be useful to do so. People
On 5/7/25 20:38, xuser wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + (UTC)
xuser wrote:
After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not
boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen.
I doubt it was the libreoffice upgrade that d
On 5/8/25 7:05 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy
in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was necessary to produce the laptop)
is typically higher than all the electricity
monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than
>> something small and more recent might use.
>
>While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
>a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy
>in
This whole thread is INSANE!!!
Old computers of this generation are so slow that they would be USELESS!
Too slow to run modern applications!
Memory is too small, Hard Drive is way t small.
On 5/5/2025 1:01 PM, Rafał Lichwała wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OL
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:05:03AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than
something small and more recent might use.
While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAI
So how much energy has this thread wasted?
On 5/8/2025 9:33 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100,debian-u...@howorth.org.uk
wrote:
Greg wrote:
older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity
than something small and more rece
wrote:
> On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk
> wrote:
> > Greg wrote:
> > > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity
> > > >> than something small and more recent might use.
> > > >
> > > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 04:41:07PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> Greg wrote:
> > >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity
> > >> than something small and more recent might use.
> > >
> > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
Greg wrote:
> >> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity
> >> than something small and more recent might use.
> >
> > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
> > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded
> > energy in a
xuser composed on 2025-05-08 14:59 (UTC):
> I guess the old re-install will always work :)
You should be able to boot your installed Bookworm using Bookworm installation
media, then diagnose and repair whatever went wrong. Is yours a UEFI
installation?
Is it your exclusive OS installation on the
>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than
>> something small and more recent might use.
>
> While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
> a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy
> in a laptop (i.e. the energy t
I guess the old re-install will always work :)
On Thu, 8 May 2025, Geert Stappers wrote:
Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 06:36:26 +0200
From: Geert Stappers
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian 12 not booting after upgrade
Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 04:36:42 + (UTC)
Resent-From
> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than
> something small and more recent might use.
While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying
a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy
in a laptop (i.e. the energy that was nec
Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>>NetBSD is a possibility:
>
> Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project
> most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of
> the linux distros. But honestl
On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 03:38:20AM +, xuser wrote:
> On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + xuser wrote:
> >
> > > After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not
> > > boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen.
> >
> > I
I tries that and also tried re-running grub-install and it still did not
work
I installed debian 12.2 along side the other one and now it works
On Wed, 7 May 2025, Charles Curley wrote:
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 21:22:13 -0600
From: Charles Curley
To: Debian Users
Subject: Re: Debian 12 not
On Thu, 8 May 2025 02:51:20 + (UTC)
xuser wrote:
> After an libreoffice upgrade on may 7, My debian system does not
> boot, and just shows the word "GRUB" on a black screen.
I doubt it was the libreoffice upgrade that did it. It might have been
something else that was upgraded at the same ti
On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 03:12:51PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
NetBSD is a possibility:
Yeah, I'd go with NetBSD as the most useful option. They're the project
most likely to keep i386 going. FreeBSD is dropping it as are most of
the linux distros. But honestly, as a unix system a $35 ras
TinyCore linux might work, but I know it's not debian.
Kind Regards,
Benjamin
On Wed, 7 May 2025, mick.crane wrote:
Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 11:58:56 +0100
From: mick.crane
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?
Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 10:59:24
On 2025-05-05 21:01, Rafał Lichwała wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so,
what "image" should I use?
Hardware spec:
CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz
RAM: 32MB
HDD: 6GB
BIOS year: 1998
CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0
Regards,
Rafal
It is OT. I insta
On Tue 06 May 2025 at 07:36:36 (+), Tim Woodall wrote:
> These are the older debian versions with their release dates
> #wheezy 7 2016-06-04
> #squeeze 6 2012-03-10
My notes show:
6 squeeze 2011-02-06
7 wheezy 2013-05-04
8 jessie 2015-04-25
9 stretch 2017-06-17
On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:46:51 -0400
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 4:39 PM Rafał Lichwała
> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so,
> > what "image" should I use?
> >
> > Hardware spec:
> >
> > CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz
> > RAM: 32MB
> >
Rafał Lichwała writes:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so,
> what "image" should I use?
>
> Hardware spec:
>
> CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz
> RAM: 32MB
> HDD: 6GB
> BIOS year: 1998
> CD-ROM, FDD 1,4MB, RS-232, 1x USB 2.0
>
I have run debian on older hardwa
> If you want to connect a machine that old to the Internet today, I
> suspect it might be possible to build a modern kernel that will run on
> it (which would be a starting point) but it would take a lot of fine
> tuning of the build configuration.
As a reality-check: OpenWRT currently require
On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 09:41:05AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon May 5, 2025 at 11:04 PM BST, Bret Busby wrote:
> > What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1?
>
> It was my first Debian version: release in August 2000.
> >
> > Would it still be supported with security patches?
>
> No,
On Mon May 5, 2025 at 11:04 PM BST, Bret Busby wrote:
What is Potato? Is that about 3.0, or 3.1?
It was my first Debian version: release in August 2000.
Would it still be supported with security patches?
No, security supported stopped for Potato 22 years ago.
If not, would it not be unsaf
On Tue, 6 May 2025, Bret Busby wrote:
On 6/5/25 05:56, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2025, Rafa? Lichwa?a wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to install Debian on a VERY VERY OLD hardware? If so, what
"image" should I use?
Hardware spec:
CPU: Intel Celeron 400MHz
RAM: 32MB
HDD: 6GB
BIOS year: 1
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