Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Howard Eisenberger
On 2008-11-24, Sjoerd Hiemstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An M/N:M-S35 Logitech three button PS/2 mouse is exactly what I have, > and gpm always worked fine, in Sarge, Etch, Lenny and Sid. > > Following the directions at > www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm > I have th

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/24/08 12:10, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2008-11-24 18:56 +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: Following the directions at www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm I have this in /etc/gpm.conf : device=/dev/psaux These days it is better to use /dev/input/mice which should work

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-11-24 18:56 +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > Following the directions at > www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm > I have this in /etc/gpm.conf : > > device=/dev/psaux These days it is better to use /dev/input/mice which should work with USB mice as well. > respons

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
Op 23 Nov 2008 23:23:20 GMT, Howard Eisenberger wrote: > On 2008-11-18, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Not to mention, gpm config is a black art. I have no clue how to > > gpm my mouse, and haven't for years. I knew how long ago, but gpm > > is not easy these days. What protocol do

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-23 Thread Howard Eisenberger
On 2008-11-18, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to mention, gpm config is a black art. I have no clue how to gpm > my mouse, and haven't for years. I knew how long ago, but gpm is not > easy these days. What protocol does a three button, serial, logitech > mouse use? None of what I'

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-20 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 09:24:34PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If he is wanting to try something other than Debian, OpenBSD will take > > far fewer resources (leaving more for his applications) (based on my > > exper

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-20 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:29:10AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: >>> >>> I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. >>> >>> The system lookin

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/19/08 18:40, s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: $ apt-cache show mdetect Oh yeah: (0) phreaque [root] /root_ mdetect /dev/psaux intellimouse Why doesn't it find /dev/ttyS0? mdetect doesn't accept the correct device as a parameter. I haven't seen a serial mo

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-19 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > $ apt-cache show mdetect Oh yeah: (0) phreaque [root] /root_ mdetect /dev/psaux intellimouse Why doesn't it find /dev/ttyS0? mdetect doesn't accept the correct device as a parameter. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficientl

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-19 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 11/17/08 21:44, s. keeling wrote: > > > > Not to mention, gpm config is a black art. I have no clue how to gpm > > my mouse, and haven't for years. > > The Shame, oh The Shame! Oh, pee off. > > I knew how long ago, but g

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-18 Thread lee
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 05:17:29PM +0200, Micha wrote: [installing gpm] > but then I lose the touchpad capabilities related to synaptic such as > scrolling and tap lock to drag, no? That I don't know, I don't have a touchpad. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-18 Thread Micha
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:15:15 -0600 lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:44:54AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: > > > Not to mention, gpm config is a black art. I have no clue how to gpm > > my mouse, and haven't for years. I knew how long ago, but gpm is not > > easy these days

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-18 Thread lee
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:44:54AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: > Not to mention, gpm config is a black art. I have no clue how to gpm > my mouse, and haven't for years. I knew how long ago, but gpm is not > easy these days. What protocol does a three button, serial, logitech > mouse use? None of

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-18 Thread Micha
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:11:12 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/17/08 21:44, s. keeling wrote: > > Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I have to admit that even in X I have several consoles always open as > >> they can make things work a lot better. I don't switch to the console for

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/17/08 21:44, s. keeling wrote: Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I have to admit that even in X I have several consoles always open as they can make things work a lot better. I don't switch to the console for two reasons, I do use some X apps (I prefer to browse with firefox, and even that is

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-17 Thread s. keeling
Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I have to admit that even in X I have several consoles always open as they > can > make things work a lot better. I don't switch to the console for two reasons, > I do use some X apps (I prefer to browse with firefox, and even that is not > always enough due to

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-17 Thread s. keeling
Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:20:07AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > # > > # Usage: calcme [] > > Here's something simpler: > > calc() { perl -e "print ''.($*).\"\\n\""; } Very nice. :-) > (Does not support the extra formatting you

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-17 Thread H.S.
Micha wrote: > always enough due to badly written pages) and the second is that I like mouse > copy/paste and I don't feel like setting up the mouse for the console. You sound as if it is too much work. Isn't it all a matter of: $> sudo aptitude update $> sudo aptitude install gpm $> sudo ls /etc

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-17 Thread Micha
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:46:56 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:25:07AM -0600, lee wrote: > > Well, maybe I should learn more about using framebuffer stuff > > why? If you are satisfied with X, you have no real reasons. > I have to admit that even i

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-17 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Celejar wrote: > Google thinks that "Chi usa software non libero avvelena anche te. > Digli di smettere." means "Who uses free software does not even poison > you. Tell him to stop." I don't know Italian, but I can figure out > that you actually mean something like "He who uses non free > software

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-16 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:02:07 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First of all, since I have exausted for the moment my time to discuss > matters on debian-user, this answer will be sketcky and perhaps too > brutal (or even rude) and it is surely my last one for some weeks at > l

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/16/08 02:25, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:20:07AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: #!/usr/bin/perl -w # # Usage: calcme [] # # Input is a string like (10+3)/7 or "(10 + 3) / 7" # Output is the calculated result of the string # Optional formatting can be supplied as 2nd paramet

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-16 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:20:07AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > # > # Usage: calcme [] > # > # Input is a string like (10+3)/7 or "(10 + 3) / 7" > # Output is the calculated result of the string > # Optional formatting can be supplied as 2nd parameter. > # > my ( $format, $calc

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-15 Thread s. keeling
Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 07:11:23AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 11/14/08 06:46, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > >On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:25:27PM +0100, Fran?ois Cerbelle wrote: > > [snip] > > >>You should try "bc". I'm sure that you can type in everything y

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread s. keeling
Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:22:16PM +0100, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:36:15PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > > > Did you try terminus? It's available as console and X11 font and last > > > time I tried it looked equally well in b

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Adrian Levi
2008/11/15 H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Adrian Levi wrote: >> 2008/11/7 Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> What size hard drives have you had your box recognize? My box is an IBM >>> and its BIOS baulks at many 8GB drives and all larger ones. >> >> I had a 486DX4-120 32MB running as my firew

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread H.S.
Adrian Levi wrote: > 2008/11/7 Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> What size hard drives have you had your box recognize? My box is an IBM >> and its BIOS baulks at many 8GB drives and all larger ones. > > I had a 486DX4-120 32MB running as my firewall / storage file server I have slightly

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Adrian Levi
2008/11/7 Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What size hard drives have you had your box recognize? My box is an IBM > and its BIOS baulks at many 8GB drives and all larger ones. I had a 486DX4-120 32MB running as my firewall / storage file server at one time, I had a 2GB disc as a boot and

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Chris Jones
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 06:02:24PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: [.,] > I cannot even switch to a tiling window manager because of the line > length issue. My 14", 1024x768 display is just too narrow to have two > windows side-by-side and too wide to have Firefox running fullscreen. mine is 14

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 01:33:13AM EST, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: [..] > I am _sorry_ to say that even terminus (!) is better for may eyes. terminus is very nice at smaller sizes: http://www.geocities.com/fcky1000/fcky/screen0.png o's and zeroes .. l's and one's are immediately recognizable

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread John Magolske
* John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081114 09:46]: > Ron Johnson writes: > > I wish there were a ~/.bcrc to auto-set the scale > > There can be. Put > > alias bc="bc $HOME/.bcrc" > > in your .bash_profile and then put the commands you want bc to execute on > startup in .bcrc. You can also put y

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 07:11:23AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 11/14/08 06:46, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > >On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:25:27PM +0100, Fran?ois Cerbelle wrote: > [snip] > >>You should try "bc". I'm sure that you can type in everything you can type > >>in your GUI based calculator. Yo

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 07:46:06AM +0100, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > NN_il_Confusionario: > I cannot even switch to a tiling window manager because of the line > length issue. My 14", 1024x768 display is just too narrow to have two > windows side-by-side and too wide to

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/14/08 08:09, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: I wish there were a ~/.bcrc to auto-set the scale There can be. Put alias bc="bc $HOME/.bcrc" in your .bash_profile and then put the commands you want bc to execute on startup in .bcrc. You can also put your startup commands in BC_E

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Jochen Schulz
Ron Johnson: > On 11/14/08 02:09, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: >> >> some months ago this list suggested me the excellent youtube-dl (there >> is also clive). Then mplayer plays without problem the files (even on >> powerpc, so without evil codecs) > > If you tell it to, clive will automatically co

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > I wish there were a ~/.bcrc to auto-set the scale There can be. Put alias bc="bc $HOME/.bcrc" in your .bash_profile and then put the commands you want bc to execute on startup in .bcrc. You can also put your startup commands in BC_ENV_ARGS. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBS

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu,13.Nov.08, 18:02:24, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely > need a mouse for)... If you have ever used vim then you could try vimperator. I'm experimenting with it right now and it works pretty well (for me). Regards, Andrei -- If yo

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread François Cerbelle
Le Ven 14 novembre 2008 14:25, Ron Johnson a écrit : > It would be nice if bc had a config file (~/.bcrc) that you could > put your standard scale, etc values in. I just asked Google, it gaves me the following URL : http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.shell/2007-01/msg00175.html So, y

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/14/08 07:19, François Cerbelle wrote: Le Ven 14 novembre 2008 13:46, Tzafrir Cohen a écrit : [...] Oh, you mean I had to set this strange thing called 'scale'? Why can't I get it to default to something more reasonable? There's at least not a method documented in the man page. [snip] you

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread François Cerbelle
Le Ven 14 novembre 2008 13:46, Tzafrir Cohen a écrit : [...] > Oh, you mean I had to set this strange thing called 'scale'? Why can't I > get it to default to something more reasonable? There's at least not a > method documented in the man page. Reasonable ??? for who ? a client buying one, two or

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/14/08 06:46, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:25:27PM +0100, François Cerbelle wrote: [snip] You should try "bc". I'm sure that you can type in everything you can type in your GUI based calculator. Right. bc - An arbitrary precision calculator language $ bc bc 1.06.9

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
First of all, since I have exausted for the moment my time to discuss matters on debian-user, this answer will be sketcky and perhaps too brutal (or even rude) and it is surely my last one for some weeks at least. I am sorry and apologize. Sincere thanks to _all_ people on the list. On Fri, Nov

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/14/08 02:09, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 07:46:06AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: have to give in that I actually like to view the occasional Youtube video. some months ago this list suggested me the excellent youtube-dl (there is also clive). Then mplayer plays with

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:25:27PM +0100, François Cerbelle wrote: > > Le Ven 14 novembre 2008 12:05, lee a écrit : > [...] > > With dc or bc, you need to figure out how to use them. An hour later or > > so you might be able to calculate 2+5. With qalculate (or other GUI > > calculators), you typ

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread François Cerbelle
Le Ven 14 novembre 2008 12:05, lee a écrit : [...] > With dc or bc, you need to figure out how to use them. An hour later or > so you might be able to calculate 2+5. With qalculate (or other GUI > calculators), you type 2+5 and get the result, just like you do with a > calculator. dc only says "st

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread lee
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:10:41 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, have you tried sc? > > As I said, I never used any spreadsheet (or word processor, for that > matter). Well, I tried it and found it has too many disadvantages. > > > apt-cache show bmv > > > apt-cache s

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 07:46:06AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > have to give in that I actually like to view the occasional Youtube > video. some months ago this list suggested me the excellent youtube-dl (there is also clive). Then mplayer plays without problem the files (even on powerpc, so wit

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Jochen Schulz
NN_il_Confusionario: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 06:02:24PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: >> >> Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a >> mouse for)... > > one can emulate mouse in X using the numeric pad of the keyboard. Many > years ago it was in "accessx", and the

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:44:56PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Mrxvt.xft:true > Mrxvt.xftAntialias: true > Mrxvt.xftAutoHint:true > #Mrxvt.xftFont: bitstream vera sans mono > Mrxvt.xftFont:dejavu sans mono > Mrxvt.xftWeight: medium > Mrxvt.xftWidth:

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 08:49:56PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > The only thing that tells the two contexts apart (that I badly miss..) > is that the linux console does not support 256 colors. I am not able to understand your needs, but surely linux framebuffer console supports 256 colors (but I nev

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 04:54:05PM -0500, H.S. wrote: > video was being played in the console. Ascii art mode is where the video > is showed as ascii characters, right? yes. When you want to amuse yourself, try it. And look at the monitor from a sufficiently big distance. -- Chi usa software non

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Chris Jones
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:02:24PM EST, Jochen Schulz wrote: > > Just to name two of them: irssi is an excellent IRC client and mcabber > is a great Jabber client. You can also take a look at weechat. Maybe it's me but everything I needed was there and implemented in such a way that I never even

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:22:16PM +0100, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:36:15PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > > Did you try terminus? It's available as console and X11 font and last > > time I tried it looked equally well in both modes. > > yes, since their first apparenc

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Tom Rauchenwald
Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW, I find your discussion quite interesting (although I started to > skip a few paragraphs). I could give up X anytime if it weren't for > Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a > mouse for)... Used to be the same fo

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread H.S.
NN_il_Confusionario wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:21:06PM -0500, H.S. wrote: >> Jochen Schulz wrote: >>> Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :) >> Just did, awesome! >> >> BTW, while playing an avi file in a console, trying to change to another >> console cause

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:21:06PM -0500, H.S. wrote: > Jochen Schulz wrote: > > Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :) > Just did, awesome! > > BTW, while playing an avi file in a console, trying to change to another > console caused the computer to hang. This is

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 06:02:24PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Firefox (which, incidentally, is the same application I absolutely need a > mouse for)... one can emulate mouse in X using the numeric pad of the keyboard. Many years ago it was in "accessx", and then it got introduced in X proper, a

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:48:39AM -0600, lee wrote: > > I do not use spreadsheets but > > > > apt-cache show sc > > Well, have you tried sc? As I said, I never used any spreadsheet (or word processor, for that matter). I have seen once a person using excel, and I decided that the use of anythi

RE: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Juan Carlos Avila
> -Mensaje original- > De: lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enviado el: Jueves, 13 de Noviembre de 2008 11:04 a.m. > Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Asunto: Re: Very slim Desktop Manager > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0200 > Eduardo M KALINOWSKI &

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Bob Cox
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:48:39 -0600, lee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] > > apt-cache show bmv > > apt-cache show fbi > > Those are not pdf viewers. I installed the fbi package and can confirm it definitely does display pdf files. -- Bob Cox. Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK. Debian on

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread H.S.
Jochen Schulz wrote: > > Then you should try mplayer playing movies in ascii on the console. :) > > J. Just did, awesome! BTW, while playing an avi file in a console, trying to change to another console caused the computer to hang. Had to restart gdm from another machine (could connect via ssh

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread lee
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:46 -0200 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lee escreveu: > > [snip tons os comments on console vs. X11] > > Do you really think this discussion is going anywhere? It already did. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubs

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Jochen Schulz
H.S.: > François Cerbelle wrote: > >> ImageMagick for altering the images and there are viewer in framebuffer >> mode (fbi ?). > > Installed and tried fbi on a console (CTRL+ALT+Fn). Wow! Got a kick out > of displaying a jpeg image in the console ... and panning it, zooming, etc. Then you should

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Jochen Schulz
NN_il_Confusionario: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:25:07AM -0600, lee wrote: >> >> and instant >> messengers > > i do not use them, but the first "instant messanger", talk on unix and > phone on vax, is text based. There are many more, even with "modern" > protocols. Just to name two of them: irss

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
lee escreveu: > [snip tons os comments on console vs. X11] Do you really think this discussion is going anywhere? -- Eduardo M Kalinowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread lee
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:46:56 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:25:07AM -0600, lee wrote: > > Well, maybe I should learn more about using framebuffer stuff > > why? If you are satisfied with X, you have no real reasons. It could be interesting and u

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 03:21:34PM +0100, François Cerbelle wrote: > You should try Tetrinet ;-) A Networked multiplayer Tetris ! ;-) I am not so good at tetris, so the other players would be bored. > >> and image processing software (like gimp) > > i do not use it (but I have seen it), and I a

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread H.S.
François Cerbelle wrote: > > ImageMagick for altering the images and there are viewer in framebuffer > mode (fbi ?). Installed and tried fbi on a console (CTRL+ALT+Fn). Wow! Got a kick out of displaying a jpeg image in the console ... and panning it, zooming, etc. I have been using Linux for th

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread François Cerbelle
Le Jeu 13 novembre 2008 14:46, NN_il_Confusionario a écrit : >> and games > old svgalib games exist. However the only game I have ever used is > tetris inside dos navigator inside dosemu (even if there are native text > only games for unix). You should try Tetrinet ;-) A Networked multiplayer Tetr

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 05:25:07AM -0600, lee wrote: > Well, maybe I should learn more about using framebuffer stuff why? If you are satisfied with X, you have no real reasons. > > Clearly I am aware that there are some kind of applications which are > > developed only for X (and my thanks go to

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-13 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:38:18PM -0600, lee wrote: > Well, I never figured out what the framebuffer is for. If I want a GUI, > I use X, if I want a console, I use a console --- or an X terminal. that's an excellent way to look at the problem. I do NOT want a GUI, since that interface concept i

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread lee
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:28:23 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I usually have no need for switching between X and console. Infact I > have usually no need to run X at all, since svgalib/framebuffer > programs are faster than their X counterparts. Well, I never figured out wha

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread John Magolske
* lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [081112 08:55]: > Isn't it possible to convert/use the console font for X11? PSF Tools has a utility called psf2bdf. From the manpage: psf2bdf - convert part or all of a PSF Font file to an X11 BDF. http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/Unix/PSF/ Regards, John -- John Ma

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:45:43PM -0600, lee wrote: > Don't switch continuously between X and console ... X is useful: I find > it easier to have 4x4 virtual desktops between which I can seemlessly > switch by just moving the mouse pointer over, and because I can run > console programs as well as

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 09:43:18AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote: > Are you trying to use truetype fonts, or are you using fixed fonts? I tried _every_ font I could find. When one is hopelessly tired, the meaningless symbol fonts in a terminal have a refresching effect. > I am using konsole with fixe

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread lee
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:24:16 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have only very limited experience with the output of graphic cards > of the last 7 years (ah, the power of remote unix administration), > but I have never seen substantial change in the font displayed at > linux

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:22:07AM -0600, lee wrote: > Hm, the console font has changed over the years. I was thinking it has > to do with which graphics card you are using, but I don't know. I have only very limited experience with the output of graphic cards of the last 7 years (ah, the power of

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread Carl Johnson
NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The huge problem is that all combination of therminals, fonts, color > depths, screen resolutions, and refresh rates which I could try were > always "infinitely" less tolerable for my eyes than linux or *BSD vt > consoles. Are you trying to use tr

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread lee
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:13:08 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first evident part of the problem is that almost all existing > fonts (even the ones which I have seen on Microsoft or Apple > machines) are quite horrible for my eyes, and at any rate none of > them is suffici

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:36:15PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Did you try terminus? It's available as console and X11 font and last > time I tried it looked equally well in both modes. yes, since their first apparence in debian stable. I agree that they look very similar in X and in console (th

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread Jochen Schulz
NN_il_Confusionario: > > The huge problem is that all combination of therminals, fonts, color > depths, screen resolutions, and refresh rates which I could try were > always "infinitely" less tolerable for my eyes than linux or *BSD vt > consoles. Did you try terminus? It's available as console a

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 07:12:52AM -0600, lee wrote: > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:23:27 +0100 > NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My *HUGE* problem with X has always been, and very possibly will > > always be, the readability of terminals. > > > > The huge problem is that all combi

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread lee
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:23:27 +0100 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My *HUGE* problem with X has always been, and very possibly will > always be, the readability of terminals. > > The huge problem is that all combination of therminals, fonts, color > depths, screen resolutions, an

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/11/12 Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:29:10AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: >> In addition to all the advice you have so far received, I would suggest >> you to try damnsmalllinux. It is a live cd based on debian. > > A live CD wastes memory for usage as a ramdisk.

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:29:22AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Does it support autologin? The chooser of DMs (gdm, kdm, whatever) is a > separate process that does not remain running when you have an extra > session on. The daemon portion of gdm here seems to be: > > PID RSSSZ COMMAND

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-12 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:59:03PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > > > > No pun intended, but you can install SLiM (Simple Login Manager). I use > it myself, it is visuall

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-11 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:29:10AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: >> >> I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. >> >> The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. >> >> I only want to run one or tw

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-11 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:29:10 +0530 "Sridhar M.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: >> >> I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. >> >> The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. >> >> I only want t

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:59:03PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: > > > > I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > > What would your wife say? :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscri

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-11 Thread Michael Pobega
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: > Hi! > > I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > No pun intended, but you can install SLiM (Simple Login Manager). I use it myself, it is visually very nice (much improved over XDM) as well as fast and lightweight. If by 'de

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-11-06 14:00:28, schrieb Michael Ott: > Hi! > > I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > > The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. ^^ I can not believe it, since the fastest 486 was 100MHz (Am486dx4) and only the AMD Ovedrive A

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-07 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Try searching google (or any other search engine) with "linux lightweight window manager", that'll do wonders. Windowmaker and fluxbox will po up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:29:10AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: >> >> I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. >> >> The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. >> >> I only want to run one or tw

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Sridhar M.A.
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: > > I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > > The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. > > I only want to run one or two small applications > In addition to all the advice you have so far rec

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Michael Ott engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: >--} Hi! >--} >--} I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. >--} >--} The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. >--} >--} I only want to run one or two small applications >--} >--} CU >--} >--} Michael

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:01:59AM -0800, Eric De Mund wrote: > ] I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > ] The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. > ] I only want to run one or two small applications. > > One of my ThinkPads is circa 2000 system that's 266 MHz with 128 MB >

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Eric De Mund
Michael, ] I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. ] The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. ] I only want to run one or two small applications. One of my ThinkPads is circa 2000 system that's 266 MHz with 128 MB RAM. I run Xfce on it with tolerable responsiveness and yet an

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: > I am looking for a very slim desktop manager. > > The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram. > > I only want to run one or two small applications I have a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram. With that bit of ram it won't instal

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Bob Cox
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 17:50:45 +0100, Jochen Schulz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Sarunas Burdulis: > > > > Would you care to elaborate? Running Xorg/xinit and an X app is pretty > > austere without window controls... not that it's useless, of course. Or > > did you mean something else? > > I

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

2008-11-06 Thread Jochen Schulz
Sarunas Burdulis: > > Would you care to elaborate? Running Xorg/xinit and an X app is pretty > austere without window controls... not that it's useless, of course. Or > did you mean something else? I guess he meant that desktop manager is a program like xdm, gdm or kdm (guess why all of them are

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