On 14 Oct 2002, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
(snip)
> Two common reasons for going with modules:
>
> 1) Devices that need particular parameters to be configured wrt the
> handler module.
(snip)
You can normally also use things like LILO's "append=..." to pass
parameters to such modules when they've been
On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 14:59, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 07:47:48PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> > Unless I'm passing options to a module, I *always* simply add it to the
> > /etc/modules file -- and I've never had a problem.
>
> Then what's the point of it being a mod
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:59:25 -0700 Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then what's the point of it being a module? If it's going to be loaded
> all the time, then build it into the kernel and be done with it. I
> never have seen the point in /etc/modules except for people that use the
> pa
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 04:25:27AM -0400, Michael D. Crawford wrote:
> I find the clipboard utterly incomprehensible, and nearly useless.
Why?
> Copy some text from a gnome-terminal and then highlight some text in the
> URL box of mozilla and paste to replace it with a URL you got out of the
>
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 07:47:48PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> Unless I'm passing options to a module, I *always* simply add it to the
> /etc/modules file -- and I've never had a problem.
Then what's the point of it being a module? If it's going to be loaded all
the time, then build
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 09:17:23PM +0200, David P James wrote:
> But, going back to the discussion of the CD-Writing Howto, nowhere does
> it mention that even though it's clear that modules.conf has to be
> modified...
The CD Writing HOWTO attempts to be distribution neutral TMK. The
updatin
Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, David P James said:
>
>>I'm wondering why my modules.conf that I had to edit keeps reverting
>>back to the previous version every time I reboot; it is really kind of
>>frustrating. It means that every time I reboot I have to mess around and
>>
-- Donald R. Spoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Sunday, 13 October 2002, 03:38 PM -0500):
> David P James wrote:
> >I'm wondering why my modules.conf that I had to edit keeps reverting
> >back to the previous version every time I reboot
> The /etc/modules.conf file is auto-generated by the "upd
David P James wrote:
> -SNIP- <
>
> I'm wondering why my modules.conf that I had to edit keeps reverting
> back to the previous version every time I reboot; it is really kind of
> frustrating. It means that every time I reboot I have to mess around and
> reload the ide-scsi module as well as
This one time, at band camp, David P James said:
> I'm wondering why my modules.conf that I had to edit keeps reverting
> back to the previous version every time I reboot; it is really kind of
> frustrating. It means that every time I reboot I have to mess around and
> reload the ide-scsi modul
Jamin W.Collins wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:20:10 -0300
> Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>but the doc's there are as outdated as my grandma - and she was put to
>>rest a while ago. Don't get me wrong - I like linux a lot but the doc's
>>suck sometimes.
>
>
> You know, if yo
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 05:27, Edward Guldemond wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:13:33PM +0300, Chavo wrote:
> > Does this mean that in future if I desire to buy intel hardware and use it
> > with open-source software such as Debian, the hardware would prevent me from
> > doing this or open-sourc
Chavo said:
>
> Does this mean that in future if I desire to buy intel hardware and use
> it with open-source software such as Debian, the hardware would prevent
> me from doing this or open-source software would be deteriorated in its
> performance. I am curious because am a dedicated open-sourc
Chavo wrote:
>
>
>>Kent West said:
>>
>>
> This appears to be changing with
>
>
>>the new MS DRM patents, and intel/AMD putting silicon into their
>>chips/chipsets to work with it. From my brief reading on it the end goal
>>
>>
>is to
>
>
>>eliminate piracy totally. While I have no
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:13:33PM +0300, Chavo wrote:
> Does this mean that in future if I desire to buy intel hardware and use it
> with open-source software such as Debian, the hardware would prevent me from
> doing this or open-source software would be deteriorated in its performance.
> I am c
> Kent West said:
This appears to be changing with
> the new MS DRM patents, and intel/AMD putting silicon into their
> chips/chipsets to work with it. From my brief reading on it the end goal
is to
> eliminate piracy totally. While I have no problem with this, it
> will force many people to pu
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:18:52 +0200 Magnus Therning
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I switched from Mandrake to Debian... it seems to be a trend that people
> 'end up' here ;-)
Yes, it's something of an evolutionary process.
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with
taken me two weeks to
> configure on ANY distro. The point is that Debian is flaky, it is too stark,
>
> some call configuration tools "bloat", and call guis "evil", but
> configuration tools are the way of the future, and guis have been around for
>
> 20 years. The problem is that these are
iour. The way they
contractually bully vendors.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 3:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Re: The Real Problem With Debian
Ron Johnson said:
> What are you talking about???
Couldn't help but comment... and in fact this is my first post to this
list :-)
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 02:46:27AM +0200, Alex de Landgraaf wrote:
[..]
> You are perfectly right that Debian has a learning curve that is steeper than
> your regular RH/MDK-distro, but for some people other things ma
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:36, Rick wrote:
> This will be my last post to the Debian users list. I want to thank
> everybody for all their help, and patience. However I would like to say a
> little something as well:
Rick,
Good luck with going to Mandrake, for a Windows user it may be a good
place
Kent West said:
> I too, believe that "You shall not steal", irregardless of whether I
> live long and happily ever after. Accordingly, I'd encourage people to
> not "warez the appz". Most of your original post I could appreciate,
> even it I didn't particularly agree with specific points, but I
On 1 Oct 2002 at 21:36, Rick wrote:
> The Real Problem With Debian is that it is MANUAL.
I agree. Software shouldn't ask user about program's own problems. It
should ask about user's preferences and goals. All technical stuff should
be done by application because it's application's responsibilit
Ron Johnson said:
> What are you talking about??? How about not using Windows because using
> Windows, Office, WMP, etc, puts money into the pocket of a
> blatant, unrepentant criminal organization?
>
don't forget vendor lock-in, hell I've read reports that even different
versions of MS's offic
Ron Johnson said:
>
> Why do people keep saying this?
>
> Even on 5yo h/w, re-sizable xterms and virtual desktops are 1000x more
> flexible than 25x80 consoles.
>
> And you get the best of both worlds: curses + GUI...
to force the user to adjust to the command line. this is very important
if th
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 06:04, Robert Ian Smit wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 12:39]:
[big snip]
> > > Am I oversimplifying stuff?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> And intentionally so.
>
> I know that reading between the lines is a skill in itself, but
> come on Ron, did you really mi
> The Real Problem With Debian is that it is MANUAL. Everything must be done
> manually, now although there may be a script or two to ease things along,
> these often DON'T WORK. I have spent two weeks fighting slackware, trying to
The problem with Debian is that there is a mix of manual and
* Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 15:17]:
> I too, believe that "You shall not steal", irregardless of whether I
> live long and happily ever after. Accordingly, I'd encourage people to
> not "warez the appz". Most of your original post I could appreciate,
> even it I didn't particula
Robert Ian Smit wrote:
>* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 12:39]:
>
>
>>What are you talking about??? How about not using Windows because
>>using Windows, Office, WMP, etc, puts money into the pocket of a
>>blatant, unrepentant criminal organization?
>>
>>That's not politics, that'
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 12:39]:
> What are you talking about??? How about not using Windows because
> using Windows, Office, WMP, etc, puts money into the pocket of a
> blatant, unrepentant criminal organization?
>
> That's not politics, that's morality.
That's not moralit
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 04:25, Robert Ian Smit wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 10:24]:
> > IMHO, any newbies should really try Libranet or (dare I say it),
> > maybe, possibly even, Lindows 2.0.
>
> Perhaps newbies should reconsider if they want to be newbies at all.
> Windo
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 10:24]:
> IMHO, any newbies should really try Libranet or (dare I say it),
> maybe, possibly even, Lindows 2.0.
Perhaps newbies should reconsider if they want to be newbies at all.
Windows is nice enough as it is, in the last incarnations anyway.
If
* Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 02:04]:
>
> Debian is supposedly a great OS, it is configurable, custimizable, and
> powerful, but Debian is ultimately misleading for many people. Debian is an
> OS that may be used on a server, or a developer's computer, so he can really
> feel the bal
What about lspci?
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On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 22:19, Peter Christensen wrote:
> As a newbie I hesitate to get involved here, because I know nothing about the
> other versions of Linux. But after reading through countless problems and
> their solutions on this mailing list, maybe it's refreshing to hear about
> someon
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 23:57, nate wrote:
> Russell said:
> > Rick wrote:
>
> > Start off simple. Just get console apps working first, then install
>
>
> console doesn't get enough exposure. nowadays most anyone cares
> about is getting X running with their KDE3 or GNOME2. kinda sad,
> the conso
Russell said:
> Rick wrote:
> Start off simple. Just get console apps working first, then install
console doesn't get enough exposure. nowadays most anyone cares
about is getting X running with their KDE3 or GNOME2. kinda sad,
the console offers a lot of power, I remember back when I used
slack
Rick wrote:
>
> This will be my last post to the Debian users list. I want to thank everybody
> for all their help, and patience. However I would like to say a little
> something as well:
>
> Debian is supposedly a great OS, it is configurable, custimizable, and
> powerful, but Debian is ultim
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 17:45, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Rick wrote:
[snip]
> > it is too bad some of the corporate "customer comes first" mentality didn't
> > get into Debian. I donated $4 to Debian, more then many can claim, I guess I
> > got EXACTLY what I paid for. Good luck
I'd rather have a strong user community than a slick config tool anyday.
Mandrake is "easier" for some, but you may not learn as much in the process.
Debian __is__ a great OS for those who want to dive into Linux and learn!
David Sanders
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.sandersweb.net
> From: Rick
>
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:36:54PM -0400, Rick wrote:
> I donated $4 to Debian, more then many can claim, I guess I
> got EXACTLY what I paid for. Good luck to all of you, and thanks again.
>
Sounds like you got a bargain. I bet that you used the download version
of Mandrake. How much did yo
Rick,
I honestly empathise with your points. Many of them I have stated myself.
Most I do *gasp* agree with. A few points though:
1. Debian is not an easy distribution to work with - i'm finding this out
myself. And i've semi-used rh on and off since rh 5.2. It's only since
i've started usi
O.K., I know that this could go on ad finitum but I had to chime in.
Debian was actually the first Linux distro I ever installed ( on a B&W
Macintosh no less and I'm a PC guy!! :-) ). Aside from some frustrations
with yaboot the installation was smooth. Had some XServer problems and
recieved he
you seek balance my bro. it's understandable. pick
a distro and go with the flow. don't be to quick
to point out the 'flaws'...
i've been using debian for 2 years now with
nothing but demented hardware.. it all works. and
yes, there is a lot of toil and sweat i had to put
in to it. but the experi
On Tuesday 01 October 2002 15:45, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> > it is too bad some of the corporate "customer comes first" mentality
> > didn't get into Debian. I donated $4 to Debian, more then many can
> > claim, I guess I got EXACTLY what I paid for. Good luck to all of you,
> > and thanks again
Rick said:
>
> The Real Problem With Debian is that it is MANUAL. Everything must be
> done manually, now although there may be a script or two to ease things
> along, these often DON'T WORK.
while I am not famillar with your specific circumstances I do consider
this "manual" approach a str
Dear Rick,
To bad Debian didn't work for you, but everyone should understand that Debian
isn't made for John Doe, it's (generally) made for the powerusers/developers who
want complete control over their systems.
It is easy to say Debian doesn't work, but be honest and say that it doesn't
work f
This is so much like a troll, but I can't resist ;-) (no offense
meant Rick, I understand you mean well and were not trolling).
"Rick" == rspillan writes:
Rick> The Real Problem With Debian is that it is MANUAL.
One of the real strengths of Debian (applies to Slackware too) is th
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Rick wrote:
> Debian is supposedly a great OS, it is configurable, custimizable, and
> powerful, but Debian is ultimately misleading for many people. Debian is an
> OS that may be used on a server, or a developer's computer, so he can really
> feel the balls in his system, bu
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