On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 17:02 -0400, Richard wrote:
> Looking to get into programming for linux,
> would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
>
> What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
> or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
>
> (please no: emacs or v
Allan Wind wrote:
On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
On Nov 6, 11:30 am, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > Using vi requires you to keep track of the editor's state in your head --
> > you have to remember whether it's in input mode or command mode. I've
> > never been abl
On Nov 6, 2007 9:30 AM, Allan Wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
> > saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure
> > what
> > and go into re
On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
> saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
> and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
> indentations
On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 11/06/07 04:53, Micha Feigin wrote:
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Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am
still looking
Modern machines are so fast that the younger generations of geeks
don't
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> I think it comes down to personal taste. I just can't get the hang of vi.
> I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and on I still do
> things like accidentally insert 127 copies of the letter 'a' into my file.
Richard wrote:
Looking to get into programming for linux,
would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
(please no: emacs or vi (or command line apps)
wanting something th
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Tyler Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:41 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
>
> On 2007-11-05, BartlebyScrivener &
On 2007-11-05, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I have to work on both Windows and Debian, and Vim works in both
> places. Getting Emacs to run on Windows is a pain in the neck.
>
It used to be that Xemacs was easier than Emacs to get running on
Windows, but the new Emacs22 is supp
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On 11/06/07 04:53, Micha Feigin wrote:
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> Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am still looking
Modern machines are so fast that the younger generations of geeks
don't know the real joy of vi-users bashing emacs becaus
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On 11/05/07 19:51, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> On 11/05/07 17:40, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>>> On Nov 5, 5:30 pm, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon,
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:03:45 -0700
Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:
>
> > David Brodbeck wrote:
> >> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> >> editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> >> input mode or comman
On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:
David Brodbeck wrote:
Using vi requires you to keep track of the
editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
input mode or command mode. I've never been able to do that
reliably.
Neither have I. However I did learn
On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
I think it comes down to personal taste. I just can't get the hang
of vi. I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and
on I still do things like accidentally insert 127 copies of the
letter 'a' into my file.
If you do th
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Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, I survived a few months into my first foray into MS-DOS 3.3 with
> edlin until someone mercifully gave me a disk with a better editor
> (qed?) on it. By that metric I
Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 11/05/07 17:40, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
On Nov 5, 5:30 pm, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
Using vi requires you to keep track of the
editor's st
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On 11/05/07 17:40, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> On Nov 5, 5:30 pm, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
>
>> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
>>> editor's state in you
On Nov 5, 5:30 pm, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> > editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> > input mode or command mode. I've never been a
* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 05 17:55 -0600]:
> David Brodbeck wrote:
> > Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> > editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> > input mode or command mode. I've never been able to do that reliably.
>
> Neither have
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:38:18PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >My vim (not vi) tells me at the bottom of the screen. Right now it
> >says:
> >
> >-- INSERT -- 13,66 All
>
> Yeah, that's the case on ma
David Brodbeck wrote:
> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> input mode or command mode. I've never been able to do that reliably.
Neither have I. However I did learn early on in my vim life that ESC in
insert mode
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 06:23:18PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> > I think it comes down to personal taste. I just can't get the hang
> > of vi. I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and
> > on I still
On Nov 5, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
My vim (not vi) tells me at the bottom of the screen. Right now it
says:
-- INSERT --
13,66 All
Yeah, that's the case on maybe a third of the systems I use. (For me
vi is usually an 'e
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> I think it comes down to personal taste. I just can't get the hang
> of vi. I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and
> on I still do things like accidentally insert 127 copies of the
> letter 'a' into my
On Nov 5, 2007, at 2:42 PM, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
On Nov 5, 6:30 am, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've begun to see the need for an editor that works
with them. So, I have been inspired by this thread to investigate
Emacs again.
I would not dismiss Vim out of hand.
http://w
On Nov 5, 6:30 am, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've begun to see the need for an editor that works
> with them. So, I have been inspired by this thread to investigate
> Emacs again.
I would not dismiss Vim out of hand.
http://www.debian-administration.org/polls/89
I have to work
2007/11/5, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> * William Pursell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 05 00:59 -0600]:
>
> with them. So, I have been inspired by this thread to investigate
> Emacs again.
Try these:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6242
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5765
http:
* William Pursell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 05 00:59 -0600]:
> I guess I'm suggesting that you seriously question why
> you are rejecting out of hand the two best choices for
> development on Linux.
Of course, I can't speak for the OP, but in my case it has been
strictly a matter of familiari
Richard wrote:
What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
(please no: emacs or vi (or command line apps)
wanting something that would be better than xcode on the mac,
which contain all libraries, and synta
On Debian I think Eclipse is the best bet for Java
development. It is available as a standard Debian package.
I found that I like to use the Sun Java platform more than the
alternatives mostly because the stuff I write has to run on a number of
platforms all of which run the Sun virtual machine.
Richard wrote:
Looking to get into programming for linux,
would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
(please no: emacs or vi (or command line apps)
wanting something th
On Saturday 03 November 2007 5:49:04 pm Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2007 2:02 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Looking to get into programming for linux,
> > would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
> >
> > What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
> > or if needed to r
A development platform like eclipse might be just the ticket here. You
can't run it in a command line environment; it's a single development
environment you use, and just select what will be used to do the
development and have eclipse take care of the development cycle for you as
you write. h
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Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2007 2:02 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Looking to get into programming for linux,
>> would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
>>
>> What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
>> or if needed to
On Nov 3, 2007 2:02 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looking to get into programming for linux,
> would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
>
> What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
> or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
>
> (please no: emacs
On 17:02 Sat 03 Nov , Richard wrote:
> Looking to get into programming for linux,
> would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
>
> What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
> or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
>
> (please no: emacs or vi (or comm
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