Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 04:11:09PM +0800, Robert Roach wrote: > I was wondering about that too. Went to local book store and found a > good book on both PGP and GPG: > > http://www.amazon.com/PGP-GPG-Email-Practical-Paranoid/dp/1593270712/ref=sr_1_1/104-6276993-4918331?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=117541

RE: GPG and Signing

2007-04-05 Thread Seth Goodman
John L Fjellstad wrote on Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:43 AM -0500: > "Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Instead, they built > > native S/MIME support into their MUA's, built a certificate store > > into their operating system and bought VeriSign. > > Couple of points. There are lots

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-05 Thread John L Fjellstad
"Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > S/MIME was intended to work with a certification authority (CA) model > based on a small number of universally trusted root CA's, while PGP > assumed a distributed web of trust model based on personal > relationships between individual users. There's n

RE: GPG and Signing

2007-04-04 Thread Seth Goodman
John L Fjellstad wrote on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:58 PM -0500: > The reason you and people who use OE see it as an attachment is > because MS is unable to implement an 11 years old standard. > This page (http://www.imc.org/smime-pgpmime.html) has a discussion > about the different standards (PGP

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-03 Thread John L Fjellstad
"John Fleming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While we're still on this, why do most of your (Debian-users-who-sign) > emails show up in OE with the signature and the email text as > attachments? It seems whether I use GPG or a Thawte cert, they still > don't show up as attachments. Are you doing

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > An ATM machine's threshold of "trust in identity" is account number and > PIN. That is authentication, not identification. > Meat sack tellers (who don't recognize you) want to verify your signature > with a Government Issued ID Card. A mistake. The teller should authentic

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:33:08AM -0400, Jim Hyslop wrote: > Michael Pobega wrote: > > Now I'm afraid. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party > > Why are you afraid? > That picture just frightened me[0], but I was only kidding. It

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: > Now I'm afraid. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party Why are you afraid? - -- Jim Hyslop Dreampossible: Better software. Simply. http://www.dreampossible.ca Consulting * Mentoring * Training

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Chris Lale
Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: >> >> P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) >> > > Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? >

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-02 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:54:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/01/07 10:29, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 >>> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello John, >>> "ID" is a slipp

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 20:59, Seth Goodman wrote: [snip] > trust. The more signatures on your public key, the more likely it is > that a random third party knows either someone who signed your key, or > knows someone who knows someone who signed your key, etc.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:16:10PM -0400, cga2000 wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:32:19PM EDT, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > > Michael Pobega writes: > > > > Is it a bad practice to verif

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread cga2000
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:32:19PM EDT, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > Michael Pobega writes: > > > Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or > > > is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say

RE: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Seth Goodman
Michael Pobega wrote on Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:32 PM -0500: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > Michael Pobega writes: > > > Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing > > > list, or is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them > > >

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:50:02PM -0400, John Fleming wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > >Michael Pobega writes: > >> Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, > >> or > >> is it bette

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Fleming
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Pobega writes: > Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, > or > is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf or > something similar? Depends on what you mean by "verify"

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:09:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Michael Pobega writes: > > Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or > > is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf or > > something similar? > > Depends on what you mean by "v

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Michael Pobega writes: > Is it a bad practice to verify keyrings of people on the mailing list, or > is it better to wait until I meet up with some of them at say Debconf or > something similar? Depends on what you mean by "verify". There is nothing wrong with downloading their public keys and us

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:54:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/01/07 10:29, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello John, > > > >> "ID" is a slippery concept. What does it mean to "know who someone > >> is"? > > >

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 17:24, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: >> Again I have to ask, what is "identity"? That is not a flippant >> question. Think about it. > > Ron Johnson writes: >> In the metaphysical sense or the practical sense? > > Practical, but not "com

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:43:48 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > No local bookstores here :-( > I'm still waiting for a *well written plain English* description of > PGP/GPG. > > ... > The message recipient uses the sender's public key and the digital > signature to recov

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Again I have to ask, what is "identity"? That is not a flippant > question. Think about it. Ron Johnson writes: > In the metaphysical sense or the practical sense? Practical, but not "commonsense". Does your bank need to know "who you really are" in order to safely let you withdraw

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 12:49, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: >> A couple of years ago there was a very long thread on what it means to >> "trust". The bottom line was that you can't perfectly know, and that all >> you can do is "your best" at verifying

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: [snip] >>> Michael, Wikipedia has a reasonably concise overview: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy >>> >> >> I was wondering about that too. Went to local book store and found a >> good book on both PGP an

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: > Here, at least, using that link with Firefox, I get a warning about the > certificate being unrecognised. Yes, because Debian has not paid Verisign for one of their utterly worthless certificates. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subjec

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Joe Hart writes: > My doubts of the NSA mostly come from watching too many "conspiracy >theory" [movies]... There may be worse sources if information, but I can think of few. > The phrase "in the interest of National Security" has been and can be > used to cover up just about anything, and the NS

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Robert Roach wrote: Jim Hyslop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: Michael Pobega escribió: [...] What are the advantages to having it? You can be sure that the person is who says it is. We that's a pretty bi

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:19:40PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Andrei Popescu escribió: > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>> What are the advantages to ha

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:58:33PM +, Joe Hart wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Joe Hart wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > >> Joe Hart writes: > >>> I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux > >>> specifically because it was developed by t

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:09:58PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, M

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 02:30:19PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) > > > > Also, is there some way

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's actually a coordinated effort for this sort of thing, check > https://nm.debian.org/gpg.php and specifically the "list of key > signing offers". You can also register for a signing request. > > I see one DD from Romania, and several from Vienna

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 10:09:58PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > > P.S. I am testing the autosign option

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Frank McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:42:47 +0100 Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > application/pgp-signature (No public key to verify the signature)] > Signature made at Sun 01 Apr 2007 08:42:47 AM EDT > No public key to verify the signature > Key fingerp

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) > > > > Also, is there some way to set it so I can s

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 14:30 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? > I've heard that GPG keys give trouble to M$ clients, and most of my > family uses Outlook. You should be able to switch between encrypt, sign, and unsigned somewhere. I

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Hart wrote: > John Hasler wrote: >> Joe Hart writes: >>> I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux >>> specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is not rational >>> that they would design a security system t

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:30:19 -0400 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Michael, > Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? I don't know how to do it in Mutt, but for ease, I created a duplicate account in Claws-Mail that doesn't sign emails. Each list I'm

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:42:33 -0500 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello John, > What is a "real ID"? Does it ever actually matter? One of the reasons I put the word real in quotes was because it's difficult to quantify. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:42:42 +0200 Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Sven, > There's actually a coordinated effort for this sort of thing, check > https://nm.debian.org/gpg.php and specifically the "list of key > signing offers". You can also register for a signing request. Here, a

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:53:11 -0500 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello John, > In the phrase "web of trust" the word "trust" does not have quite the > same meaning as it does in everyday conversation. Very true. Outside PGP users though, the difference in meaning would be lost though,

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: >> >>> I can't figure out how to set it up. The articles mention only talk >>> about PGP, not GPG

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Hasler wrote: > Joe Hart writes: >> I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux >> specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is not rational >> that they would design a security system that they could not acc

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > P.S. I am testing the autosign option for mutt right now ;) > Also, is there some way to set it so I can still send mail unsigned? I've heard that GPG keys give tr

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 06:24:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > I can't figure out how to set it up. The articles mention only talk > > about PGP, not GPG. > > Here are the changes (actually additions) I made, everything els

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Joe Hart writes: > I also have serious doubts over the real security benefits of SELinux > specifically because it was developed by the NSA. It is not rational > that they would design a security system that they could not access, and > then release it to the public. Only if you have a very naiv

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: > As said in interviews with ordinary people that knew the various > criminals that achieve notoriety; "He was always such a *nice* polite > man". Well obviously, because to be otherwise might arouse suspicion. In the phrase "web of trust" the word "trust" does not have quite

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > A couple of years ago there was a very long thread on what it means to > "trust". The bottom line was that you can't perfectly know, and that all > you can do is "your best" at verifying his identity, and then have faith. Again I have to ask, what is "identity"? That is not

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: > However, with some sort of photo ID, such as passport of driving license, > and knowledge of the relevant key fingerprint, it's possible to be fairly > sure you're dealing with the person that created the public key. For many purposes (guaranteeing that bank account withdrawa

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 19:19 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There're KSP (Keysigning party) where ID's are checked and keys are > > signed for another keys, that raises the web of trust. > > This is the theory ;) But how can I, in Romania, ge

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > This is the theory ;) But how can I, in Romania, get my key signed by at > least one of the regular users of this list? I'll have a look to see if > there are any DDs from Romania or at least Vienna. I can imagine the web > is well established between the DDs. There is a web of tr

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marko Randjelovic wrote: >>> P.S. I just setup Claws-Mail to use signing a few days ago. This thread >>> looks like a good opportunity to start using it here. >> Yep, and I noticed that that message was the first one you signed. Now >> your public key

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: > Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Andrei Popescu escribió: >>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > What are the advantages to having

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:54:27 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, > A couple of years ago there was a very long thread on what it means All before my time on the list. If I have time, I might read through it via the archives. > to "trust". The bottom line was that you can't

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:06:57 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, [SELinux] > Since the source code is open for all to see, every kernel hacker > with a bit of paranoia has pored over SELinux with a sub-micron > comb. They've found nothing. I don't read source code. Primaril

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:19:40 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Andrei, > This is the theory ;) But how can I, in Romania, get my key signed by > at least one of the regular users of this list? I'll have a look to It does become problematic, that's for sure. The best many of u

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:19:40 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Andrei Popescu escribió: > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>> What are the adv

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Marko Randjelovic
>> P.S. I just setup Claws-Mail to use signing a few days ago. This thread >> looks like a good opportunity to start using it here. > > Yep, and I noticed that that message was the first one you signed. Now > your public key is in my keyring :). > > Now you can send me encrypted mail (if you hav

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andrei Popescu escribió: > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> What are the advantages to having it? > >> Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that > >>

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 10:23, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:48:54 + > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Joe, > >>> You can *send* it them. They're unlikely to be able to *read* it, >>> though. :-) >> LOL. You've got that right.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 10:29, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello John, > >> "ID" is a slippery concept. What does it mean to "know who someone >> is"? > > Indeed. However, with some sort

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu escribió: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> What are the advantages to having it? >> Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that >> claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. > > Which makes

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:30:38 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Andrei, > > You can *send* it them. They're unlikely to be able to *read* it, > > though. :-) > Well IIUC you can only encrypt to self (because they don't have a > public key) which is supposed to be unreadable.

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:05:07 -0500 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello John, > "ID" is a slippery concept. What does it mean to "know who someone > is"? Indeed. However, with some sort of photo ID, such as passport of driving license, and knowledge of the relevant key fingerprint, it'

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:03:24 + > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Joe, > > > Hmm, that's an interesting observation. I didn't think of that. Of > > course, most of the people I communicate with via e-mail don't use > > PGP so I can't se

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > I can't figure out how to set it up. The articles mention only talk > about PGP, not GPG. Here are the changes (actually additions) I made, everything else works out of the box: ~/.muttrc # auto sign outgoing set crypt_autosign=

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:48:54 + Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Joe, > > You can *send* it them. They're unlikely to be able to *read* it, > > though. :-) > LOL. You've got that right. It's the pedant in me. > > Since various governments stopped trying to prosecute Phil > > Zim

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: > Yes, you've got the right key, and it *has* verified. However, since > Andrei's key is not included in your web-of-trust, GPG gives the warning. > A valid signature != a trusted signature. Such signatures can serve a useful purpose, though. You may not have a trust path to

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:03:24 + > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Joe, > >> Hmm, that's an interesting observation. I didn't think of that. Of >> course, most of the people I communicate with via e-mail don't u

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:03:24 + Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Joe, > Hmm, that's an interesting observation. I didn't think of that. Of > course, most of the people I communicate with via e-mail don't use PGP > so I can't send them encrypted mail. You can *send* it them. They'r

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:35:19 -0400 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Michael, > gpg: Good signature from "Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! [snip] > Looks like it should work to me; 70859BD9 is the same ID, no? Ye

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kent West wrote: > Joe Hart wrote: >> Now you can send me encrypted mail (if you have my public key)! >> Whoopie! Like you really need to. > > It's been suggested that you should use encryption whenever possible as > standard procedure; otherwise, wh

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:37:11 -0400 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Michael, > >> Not all of the GPG keys are verifying, Andrei's still isn't but others >> are. > > Andrei's GPG sig verifies here. > >> Is t

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 01:42:47PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:37:11 -0400 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Michael, > > > Not all of the GPG keys are verifying, Andrei's still isn't but others > > are. > > Andrei's GPG sig verifies here. > > > Is the

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kent West
Joe Hart wrote: > Now you can send me encrypted mail (if you have my public key)! > Whoopie! Like you really need to. It's been suggested that you should use encryption whenever possible as standard procedure; otherwise, when you need to send an encrypted message and do so, it catches the attenti

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:37:11 -0400 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Michael, > Not all of the GPG keys are verifying, Andrei's still isn't but others > are. Andrei's GPG sig verifies here. > Is there any way to verify individual keys? Make sure you have got his key imported with

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Jochen Schulz
Michael Pobega: > > I got this for your mail: > > [-- PGP output follows (current time: Sun 01 Apr 2007 08:09:36 AM EDT) > --] > gpg: Signature made Sun 01 Apr 2007 04:27:11 AM EDT using DSA key ID > 70859BD9 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > [-- End of PGP output --] This mea

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Popescu wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> What are the advantages to having it? >> Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that >> claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. > > Which makes me

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 02:24:39PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > What are the advantages to having it? > > > > > > > > Using

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:11:06 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > > What are the advantages to having it? > > > > > > Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that > > > claims to have

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What are the advantages to having it? > > > > Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that > > claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. > > Which makes

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:26:54 +0300 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Andrei, > P.S. I just setup Claws-Mail to use signing a few days ago. This > thread looks like a good opportunity to start using it here. All set up nicely, then. Your public key imported, and everything works. W

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:26:54AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What are the advantages to having it? > > > > Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that > > claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. > > Which makes

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are the advantages to having it? > > Using a web of trust, you can validate whether the entity that > claims to have sent the email actually sent the email. Which makes me wonder, how is anyone to establish such a web of trust in this community? R

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-04-01 Thread Robert Roach
Jim Hyslop wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: Michael Pobega escribió: [...] What are the advantages to having it? You can be sure that the person is who says it is. We that's a pretty big simplification. I

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-03-31 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > Michael Pobega escribió: [...] >>>What are the advantages to having it? > > > You can be sure that the person is who says it is. We that's a pretty big simplification. It is possible to do that, but you mus

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-03-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/31/07 21:30, Michael Pobega wrote: > I noticed a lot of people on this mailing list have GPG enabled in > their emails, and now that I've seen it enough I'm wondering a few > things; > > What exactly does GPG/GnuPG do? Digitally signs and or en

Re: GPG and Signing

2007-03-31 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Pobega escribió: > I noticed a lot of people on this mailing list have GPG enabled in > their emails, and now that I've seen it enough I'm wondering a few > things; > > What exactly does GPG/GnuPG do? Sign and/or encrypt things > > What are