Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Gary Roach wrote: > In a linux, open source system the software is constantly changing with minor > improvements and bug fixes so there can be 2 or 3 changes a day in your > software. Many of these are security fixes that are important. With RPM's it > is very har

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On 11/25/2013 02:38 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 23:04 +0530, AP wrote: DEB vs RPM This are 2 of several formats that are handled by package managers. I prefer DEB over RPM, but what I like the most, is the package format used by Arch Linux. Yes, Linux is the kernel, but the w

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Atle Solbakken wrote: > The reason why most people don't have Linux-distros on their home box is > because no-one is forcing people to use it. Linux-distros are decentralized > projects with no intention of making any money and therefore no need to make > people u

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Den 07. des. 2013 18:00, skrev Joe: I don't want to have to read through pages of legal garbage, and scrutinise every default-set tick-box to avoid having spyware, adware and other stuff sneaked into my computer, or unwanted add-ins and toolbars poured into my web browser. The reason why mos

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:15:55 +0530 AP wrote: > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Neal Murphy > wrote: > > > Since most users are not experts, they deserve to have 'the right > > tools' at their fingertips. > > And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like > earlier Windows

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Linux isn't an opponent to other OSes. Agreed and one should not be. But if such utilities which can be easily used by end users, then its a plus point and really good. Anything tough is that every knows its typical to understand but making t

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On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 20:15 +0530, AP wrote: > And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like > earlier Windows was being used! Linux isn't an opponent to other OSes. It's an alternative with advantages and drawbacks and it needs knowledge about our individual needs for ourse

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Neal Murphy wrote: > Since most users are not experts, they deserve to have 'the right tools' at > their fingertips. And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like earlier Windows was being used! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-req

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On 12/06/2013 04:13 PM, André Nunes Batista wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 16:58 -0500, Doug wrote: On 11/26/2013 03:22 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/27/13, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 24 November 2013 19:20:47 Doug wrote: On 11/24/2013 12:34 PM, AP wrote: [snip] (i) Which Distribution:

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Friday, December 06, 2013 04:55:11 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > To click and type a search term for many _users_ is easier to do than to > remember a command they only need once every 2 years and than to add a > cryptic search syntax. This is a very good statement, one worth rephrasing: It is

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 19:13 -0200, André Nunes Batista wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 16:58 -0500, Doug wrote: > > Maybe I have it wrong--I refer to having to install knowing a priori the > > name of the package you want to install. And I have _never_ had a > > problem with Synaptic. Using it for a

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 16:58 -0500, Doug wrote: > On 11/26/2013 03:22 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On 11/27/13, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Sunday 24 November 2013 19:20:47 Doug wrote: > >>> On 11/24/2013 12:34 PM, AP wrote: > >> [snip] > (i) Which Distribution: > >> [snip] > (ii) DEB vs

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Wednesday 04 December 2013 19:41:57 Brian wrote: > On Wed 04 Dec 2013 at 13:19:04 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > A lot of your questions can be answered by just looking though > > the various menu items, especially Tools-Options. > > AP is on a roll; all attention is focused on him/her. There i

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:19:04 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > It varies somewhat by release, but it's under Options in the Tools menu > entry. Ok well. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact list

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On Wed 04 Dec 2013 at 12:17:21 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > Can't we just drop it > > Can't you just killfile it? Show her concern for the well-being and usefulness of this list by ignoring behaviour which disrupts its intended purpose? That requires a bit of thought. -- To UN

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On Wed 04 Dec 2013 at 13:19:04 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > A lot of your questions can be answered by just looking though the > various menu items, especially Tools-Options. AP is on a roll; all attention is focused on him/her. There is no need to stop the fingers typing because there will alwa

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Lisi Reisz grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > This thread has now been going on for 11 days. And not intermittently > for 11 days, but full on with loads of emails every day. It becomes > less and less relevant to Debian, since Debian is simply not in > question any more. > > Can't we just dr

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

John Hasler grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Lisi writes: >> Can't we just drop it > > Can't you just killfile it? She shouldn't have to. THIS list is for discussing things that are directly related to Debian Linux. What mail program you want to use for this, that, and the other doesn't even rem

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On 12/4/2013 12:08 PM, AP wrote: On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:00:44 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: As for the logins - I also let the browser store usernames and passwords (encrypted, of course). How this particular step you achieve? It varies somewhat by release, but it's under Options in

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Lisi writes: > Can't we just drop it Can't you just killfile it? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/

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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42:56 AM John Hasler wrote: > > But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they > > ask? > They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse them. Well this is okay...Just refuse and still surf...:-) > Other ways to handle

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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:00:44 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > As for the logins - I also let the browser store usernames and passwords > (encrypted, of course). How this particular step you achieve? -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

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On 12/4/2013 11:46 AM, John Hasler wrote: Jerry writes: I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For instance, the "Remember me" checkbox on a site will store a cookie on your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully encrypted!). That way I don't have to sig

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On Wednesday 04 December 2013 17:42:56 John Hasler wrote: > AP writes: > > But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean > > they ask? > > They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse > them. > > Other ways to handle unwanted cookies (which Firefox/Iceweasel >

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AP writes: > But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they > ask? They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse them. Other ways to handle unwanted cookies (which Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't offer) is to either accept the cookie and save it to /dev/null or

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:43:43 AM John Hasler wrote: > Note that all of the sites I mentioned attempt to send cookies and run > scripts, and try to convince you that by refusing them you are missing > out on something terribly important. Most sites do this. In most cases > they work fi

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Jerry writes: > I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For > instance, the "Remember me" checkbox on a site will store a cookie on > your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully > encrypted!). That way I don't have to sign on manually every time I > visit a

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AP writes: > Then I need to correct myself. I was in wrong impression > really. Thanks for clariying this!! Note that all of the sites I mentioned attempt to send cookies and run scripts, and try to convince you that by refusing them you are missing out on something terribly important. Most sites

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 03:28:20 PM you wrote: > It is in the code of conduct that private messages should not be > posted on list. Especiallly some time after I thought that we had > resolved the differences. :-/ As I said, I had un-null-filed you. > This really isn't relevant to Debia

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Wednesday 04 December 2013 14:19:25 AP wrote: > On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:45:26 PM you wrote: > > Lisi wrote: > > > I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have > > > had enough of your unpleasantness. > > > > I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is

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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:45:26 PM you wrote: > Lisi wrote: > > I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had > > enough of your unpleasantness. > > I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate > over lists, at least with you. Correction:

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Lisi wrote: > I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had > enough of your unpleasantness. I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate over lists, at least with you. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.deb

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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 09:53:09 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For > instance, the "Remember me" checkbox on a site will store a cookie on > your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully > encrypted!). That way I do

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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:32:27 AM John Hasler wrote: > Youtube requires scripts but not cookies. Google search requires > neither. Wiktionary requires neither. Visiting public Facebook pages > requires neither. Yahoo search requires neither. Then I need to correct myself. I was in w

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On 12/3/2013 11:40 PM, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:15:21 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction? In fact, all banks I know of need to use cookies to manage signons. It's how the bank (or any site that uses signons) knows whic

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AP writes: > I meant in general and most of the websites means websites like > youtube, facebook, google, dictionary, pogo, yahoo which end users use > most of the times. Youtube requires scripts but not cookies. Google search requires neither. Wiktionary requires neither. Visiting public Faceb

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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:57:18 AM John Hasler wrote: > Not true in general. The vast majority of the sites I use work fine > with no cookies (and without scripts). I meant in general and most of the websites means websites like youtube, facebook, google, dictionary, pogo, yahoo which

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AP writes: > Having cookies in Firefox is not an issue because websites cannot work > without it. Not true in general. The vast majority of the sites I use work fine with no cookies (and without scripts). -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-u

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AP grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:27:31 PM David Guntner wrote: > >> There's a Debian >> "Off Topic" list for that, and you bloody well know it. > > Well, email client discussion is off-topic...? A wonder...! Look at this list's name. It's DEBIAN-user. Tie the

Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:27:31 PM David Guntner wrote: > There's a Debian > "Off Topic" list for that, and you bloody well know it. Well, email client discussion is off-topic...? A wonder...! -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:38:38 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some > >> link. > I think what he's referring to is the visible link normally has a > recognizable website such as www.example.com, while the actual link > takes yo

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:15:21 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction? > In fact, all banks I know of need to use cookies to manage signons. > It's how the bank (or any site that uses signons) knows which computer > is signed on. > Yo

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Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I know the story, but I wasn't aware about this: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceweasel_13.png > > The Iceweasel logo, but the _Google_ text is: "Thanks for choosing > Firefox!" That text is from the Iceweasel start page not the Google start page. Google didn't sa

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 07:59:12 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 23:38 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 14:17:20 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 08:09 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > > Sorry, don't know rocketmail. > > > > > > Nowadays occup

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On Tue 03 Dec 2013 at 22:43:19 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > JFTR it wasn't me who did the last replies, it were other users. Those > other users talked about cookies and IMO this explanations, opinions > about cookies are not off-topic. Don't call me stupid, while you plays It wasn't me, guv. Hon

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On Tue 03 Dec 2013 at 21:21:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I guess much more exemplary than "child porn detection" is "virus > detection". > > "We detect a virus on you Windows install", on a Linux only machine ;). > > There must be some hidden Windows installs with tons of child porn > routeki

Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:22 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 12/3/2013 2:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago. There have been 211 posts > >> (including this one) in this thread. I dare say it ceased

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Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago. There have been 211 posts >> (including this one) in this thread. I dare say it ceased being >> productive or insightful many, many posts ago. And i

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On 12/3/2013 2:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago. There have been 211 posts >> (including this one) in this thread. I dare say it ceased being >> productive or insightful many, many posts ago. And it

Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago. There have been 211 posts > (including this one) in this thread. I dare say it ceased being > productive or insightful many, many posts ago. And it ceased having > anything to do with Debian Lin

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:28:31 +0630 AP wrote: > On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used > > cookies that is evil. > > Unless you did a bank transaction! > One would hope that no bank was stupid eno

plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago. There have been 211 posts (including this one) in this thread. I dare say it ceased being productive or insightful many, many posts ago. And it ceased having anything to do with Debian Linux quite a while ago. Let's move on to something worthwhile. -

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:07:59PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: ...snip... > > You can use all of the mentioned MUAs. > > Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird/Icedove and Opera, they > all are usable. Regarding to security there are other options, that are > independent

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 09:38:51AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:12:36 AM Robert Holtzman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > > > > .snip. > > > > > Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 21:16 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 19:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700 > > Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > >Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or > > >typing. > > > > T

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On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 19:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700 > Robert Holtzman wrote: > > Hello Robert, > > >Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or > >typing. > > That's true of course. I think AP's point (expressed poorly perhaps) is > t

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On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700 Robert Holtzman wrote: Hello Robert, >Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or >typing. That's true of course. I think AP's point (expressed poorly perhaps) is that a phishing email will likely contain a link to a web site that imperso

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On 12/3/2013 2:24 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To the exten

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On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 08:51:44PM +0630, AP wrote: > On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote: > > > Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. > > Well. A wonderful post, filled with information. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail

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On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon > wrote: > > > Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and > > senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To > > the extent that your environment is kno

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On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 12:29 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On 12/3/2013 10:58 AM, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used cookies that is evil. Unless you did a bank transaction! And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction?

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On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:38 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > Google Yesno, people who use twitter and facebook don't need to care about a Google search ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.

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-Original Message- From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related Please read this: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie> --

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Please read this: -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haa

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used > cookies that is evil. Unless you did a bank transaction! -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:02:17 AM John Hasler wrote: > Iceweasel -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions Or: Firefox -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

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On 12/3/2013 9:22 AM, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote: Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal information It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies

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I wrote: > You don't need addons to refuse cookies. AP writes: > Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me > to ask if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better > Privacy and then I was assured for it. Can you please elaborate the > other method...?

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:12:50 AM John Hasler wrote: > You don't need addons to refuse cookies. Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me to ask if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better Privacy and then I was assured for it. Can you ple

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AP writes: > Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right. You don't need addons to refuse cookies. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

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I wrote: > [Google search] won't collect anything you don't give it. Google > search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and > no referrers. AP writes: > Doesn't it store cookies? Only if you allow it to. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBS

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 05:00:49 PM Siard wrote: > JH means: Google search still works fine when you refuse cookies. Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsu

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AP: > John Hasler: > > AP: > > > Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's > > > personal information > > > It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works > > fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no > > referrers. > > Doesn't it store cook

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:12:36 AM Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > > .snip. > > > Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a "free vs. > > nonfree" issue. Most software will choose defaul

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote: > > Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal > > information > It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine > with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. Does

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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote: > Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. Well. -- Thanks & Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: ht

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AP writes: > Why this is [Gnus] an exception? Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

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AP writes: > Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal > information It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UN

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On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:12 +0530, AP wrote: > You concluded very well. I guess I must start with KMail because of > the K-factor (yes, I am on KDE). And then later can try Thunderbird > and Evolution. I just asked about Thunderbird with a bit more emphasis > because I just heard it here and there.

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > You already said: "I guess our life is a race!" > and we know the end of the race ;), the end is some kind of "issue" ;p. The end is not any kind of issue because the end is sure and this is known. If you call it an issue, I can call it an e

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use > a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and > icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install > more dependencies than y

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

A last note to this thread, I won't reply again too this thread. "Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives (also known as Finagle's corollary to Murphy's Law) is usually rendered: Anything that can go wrong, will—at the worst possible moment" - Wiki What MUA should I use, Kmail or Thunderbird? is anal

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install more dependencies than you might want to install and you need to learn more, than you

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Everything can be hacked, it's a race! Agreed but what I meant is that as soon as something is hacked/prone to be hacked, developers can do the proper required patching or editing the code so that the existing hole can be blocked. If a furthe

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Gilles Mocellin wrote: > It seems that your mail client breaks threads. > I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're > responded to. Yes it is agreed because I heard it a type of Mozilla bug too! I am not sure of it and that's why have de

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

You don't need to be subscribe, to take a look at mailing lists archives or to read forums ;). Take a look at lists and forms for the MUAs and make your own opinion, when on mailing lists and forums, distros are blamed for bugs. If there is less good compatibility to older versions of the MUA or if

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Le 03/12/2013 11:18, AP a écrit : [...] It seems that your mail client breaks threads. I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're responded to. Not easy to read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 12:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:59 +0530, AP wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf > > wrote: > > > > > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. > > > > But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer. > > Yes,

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:59 +0530, AP wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. > > But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer. Yes, regarding to the open source code. But simply start using some MUAs ;).

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:39 +0530, AP wrote: > But then developers should create such clients which have such codes > that are [...] not possible to hack Everything can be hacked, it's a race! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

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On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:38 +0530, AP wrote: > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not > > regarding to > > freedom. > > Your mean privacy? Yes + the whole "philosophy" isn't too _my_ taste. -- To

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: > Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and > senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To > the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have > you at a disadvantage. Note that I

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The last time I wanted to test Thunderbird again, some month ago, > it opened with advertisings. Okay, that's why you feel the other one is better...ok, fair enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Yes, I have experience of it. It is good email client. But I > personally do not like it as much as many people do. It used to be > much better for newbies than other clients, but I think that that is > no longer true. > Depending on circums

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Roughly, Mozilla said that they had to have the last word on anything > going out under their copyright. Debian said taht they had to have > the last word on any packages going into the official repositories. > These two were incompatible. > S

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM, John Hasler wrote: >> The email clients continuously emulate each other... > Except for Gnus. Why this is an exception? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > In the end, suck it and see. No email client is perfect. Most are > good. How many people use it is not necessarily a good criterion. > Think of Outlook and Outlook Express! I agree with you Lisi that no email client is 100% perfect and the

Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM, wrote: > I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that > works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but > every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't hit > the same sort of relev

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