Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/25/07 13:44, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] >> But isn't that putting all your eggs in one basket? (Unless I'm >> mis-reading you.) > > 3 disks in three different locations (according to Douglas' > requirements). You'd h

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/25/07 09:04, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > [snip] >>> True. However, for a small data set (under 1 GB) the need for three >>> copies means three hard drives. Using a hard drive and rewriting ove

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/25/07 09:04, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] >> True. However, for a small data set (under 1 GB) the need for three >> copies means three hard drives. Using a hard drive and rewriting over >> it means that you loo

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 10:41:18AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> No. I figure a CD is good for at least a year. Every year, I >>> pull the two netinst cds from the bank, take an SHA h

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-25 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 10:41:18AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > No. I figure a CD is good for at least a year. Every year, I > > pull the two netinst cds from the bank, take an SHA hash and compare it > > with the written notes, then run something like cdck o

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:49:51PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 05/23/07 20:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:05:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> > It would be very nice if there was a u

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/24/07 18:58, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 06:08:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > >>> There is something to be said for casting something in plain text in >>> bronze and gold plating it. >> Buffered lignin-free paper. >

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 06:08:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > There is something to be said for casting something in plain text in > > bronze and gold plating it. > > Buffered lignin-free paper. > Burns. Bronze melts. Pottery breaks. Acid rain eats granite. I guess the bottom line is

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/24/07 16:18, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 12:03:15PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > >>> Never heard of ODF, or is it specific to *Office programmes? >>> Personally, I save my latex as latex. The origional contents are >>

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 12:03:15PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Never heard of ODF, or is it specific to *Office programmes? > > Personally, I save my latex as latex. The origional contents are > > plainly visible. > > Never heard of ODF It's the OpenOffice.org 2.0 document format, > ak

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/24/07 08:47, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:49:51PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 05/23/07 20:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:05:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> > It would be very ni

Re: [semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:49:51PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/23/07 20:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:05:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >>> It would be very nice if there was a universal cross-platform rw + > >>> encrypt filesystem for archives. Somethin

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/24/07 03:09, Dan H wrote: > On Thu, 24 May 2007 02:48:35 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 05/24/07 02:30, Dan H wrote: >>> In fact, to those that really want to get at the data, a properly >>> encrypted (as in: unguessable

[Semi-OT] Retrieving those old passphrases (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/24/07 02:50, Dan H wrote: [snip] > > One more problem I would have had is that I might have forgotten my old > passphrase. Fortunately I've been using one and the same passphrase for > over 10 years now, which in itself isn't so good, so I could

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-24 Thread Dan H
On Thu, 24 May 2007 02:48:35 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 05/24/07 02:30, Dan H wrote: > > In fact, to those that really want to get at the data, a properly > > encrypted (as in: unguessable passphrase, long enough key) laptop > > will make any other approach than directly att

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-24 Thread Dan H
On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:17:50 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I gpg a tarball today with whatever algorithm is current, in 10 > years that algorithm may be long cracked. Will the gpg authors keep > support for it? Perhaps. Just yesterday I had a similar problem which pr

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/24/07 02:30, Dan H wrote: [snip] > > In fact, to those that really want to get at the data, a properly > encrypted (as in: unguessable passphrase, long enough key) laptop will > make any other approach than directly attacking the laptop more > f

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-24 Thread Dan H
On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:12:36 -0400 Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 17:01 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > After all the stories about laptops full of sensitive data being > > stolen, and tapes full of sensitive data being lost, you still have > > to ask why someone wan

[semi-OT] Data archiving (was Re: Query on adding a USB hdd)

2007-05-23 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/07 20:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:05:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> It would be very nice if there was a universal cross-platform rw + >>> encrypt filesystem for archives. Something that you could be conf

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:05:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > It would be very nice if there was a universal cross-platform rw + > > encrypt filesystem for archives. Something that you could be confident > > that you could decrypt and access in 10 years using whatever OS was > > current then.

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/07 18:46, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:12:36PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: >> On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 17:01 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> After all the stories about laptops full of sensitive data being >>> stolen,

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:12:36PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 17:01 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > After all the stories about laptops full of sensitive data being > > stolen, and tapes full of sensitive data being lost, you still have > > to ask why someone wants to encryp

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 17:01 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/23/07 16:18, Mike McCarty wrote: > [snip] > > It compromises "sharability". If the goal is to share info, then > > why encrypt? If the goal is to protect info, then physical security > > is the way to go. Adding encryption only slows dow

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/07 16:18, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] > It compromises "sharability". If the goal is to share info, then > why encrypt? If the goal is to protect info, then physical security > is the way to go. Adding encryption only slows down access in a > c

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Mike McCarty
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike McCarty wrote: The purpose of encryption is to prevent sharing of information. Using it on a disc which is intended to be used on multiple machines or OS seems, umm, odd. For portable/removable media, the appropriate

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike McCarty wrote: > The purpose of encryption is to prevent sharing of information. > Using it on a disc which is intended to be used on multiple > machines or OS seems, umm, odd. For portable/removable media, > the appropriate security seems to me t

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 01:23:59PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > In practice, this probably means FAT32, if you intend > to use Microsoft OS to read and/or write it. There are ext2/3 drivers for Windows. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Alb

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
andy wrote: Hi all I am thinking of getting an external/USB2.0 hard-drive. This is entirely new to me, so I have a load of questions if you guys don't mind throwing your opinions into the pot on this? 1. Is this a device that can/should be rw via other (possibly non-GNU/Linux) machines? If y

Re: Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread Mike McCarty
andy wrote: Hi all I am thinking of getting an external/USB2.0 hard-drive. This is entirely new to me, so I have a load of questions if you guys don't mind throwing your opinions into the pot on this? 1. Is this a device that can/should be rw via other (possibly non-GNU/Linux) machines? If y

Query on adding a USB hdd

2007-05-23 Thread andy
Hi all I am thinking of getting an external/USB2.0 hard-drive. This is entirely new to me, so I have a load of questions if you guys don't mind throwing your opinions into the pot on this? 1. Is this a device that can/should be rw via other (possibly non-GNU/Linux) machines? If yes, then what