Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Sb, 11 oct 14, 15:07:31, softwatt wrote: > On 10/11/2014 01:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > If you want to go forward with this I would suggest you just do it. If > > some Debian Developer finds your idea interesting you could even get a > > domain like imap.debian.net. > > Yes, I think that

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/11/2014 01:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > If you want to go forward with this I would suggest you just do it. If > some Debian Developer finds your idea interesting you could even get a > domain like imap.debian.net. Yes, I think that's the way to go. People are far more likely to adopt a

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Jo, 09 oct 14, 23:16:33, softwatt wrote: > > Instead of a mailing list, let there be an IMAP/POP account, let us call > it i...@debian.org. However, it isn't a normal IMAP account: > > - It is public, and not a traditional private imap account. > - It accepts all logins, regardless of the pa

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

* On 2014 10 Oct 14:56 -0500, softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 10:26 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 10 Oct 14:19 -0500, softwatt wrote: > >> > My "thanks" was not threaded correctly. Sorry. > > It was threaded correctly by Mutt for me. Check the threading in the > > list archive. Might be

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

On 10/10/2014 10:26 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 10 Oct 14:19 -0500, softwatt wrote: >> > My "thanks" was not threaded correctly. Sorry. > It was threaded correctly by Mutt for me. Check the threading in the > list archive. Might be an issue with your MUA. Mutt seems smarter than the nor

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

* On 2014 10 Oct 14:19 -0500, softwatt wrote: > My "thanks" was not threaded correctly. Sorry. It was threaded correctly by Mutt for me. Check the threading in the list archive. Might be an issue with your MUA. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

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Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

On 10/10/2014 10:10 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: >>> On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read thi

debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. B

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum (attn. Jerry)

Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the n

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum (attn. Jerry)

Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can acces

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 11:30 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Personally, I think the 'stack exchange' model is the best one out there at > the > moment. I have two problems with that model. - I don't like reward systems, I prefer minimalistic discussion platforms without the fancy stuff - Threaded dis

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 08:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > - as noted - stuff comes to you That's true in Usenet as well. The remaining points are valid for Usenet. Note however that none of them are valid for my proposal. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Francesco Ariis wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:11:16PM +0300, softwatt wrote: Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? I never managed one, but maybe mailing lists are easier to set up and easier to maintain/moderate. We should listen to what listmasters ha

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm on at least 25 mailing lists. If I had to go out to 25 different places to get my information, I'd never get anything done. With mailing lists, posts come to me: I don't need to go searching hither and yon for them. Why are you g

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:11:16PM +0300, softwatt wrote: > Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? I never managed one, but maybe mailing lists are easier to set up and easier to maintain/moderate. We should listen to what listmasters have to say in this regard

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > I'm on at least 25 mailing lists. If I had to go out to 25 different > places to get my information, I'd never get anything done. With mailing > lists, posts come to me: I don't need to go searching hither and yon > for them. Why are you guys treatin

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:11:16 +0300 softwatt wrote: There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? For me, Usenet forums quickly become the stuff I forgot I ever had. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't think I'm alone, either, because a lot of forums h

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:11:16 +0300 softwatt wrote: > There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? For me, Usenet forums quickly become the stuff I forgot I ever had. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't think I'm alone, either, because a lot of forums have nothing for wee

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 05:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > You don't need to use a paid server. There are plenty of free ones > available. Personally, I use eternal-september.com. It's been pretty > solid for me and contains all of the newsgroups I want. No binary > newsgroups, but I can life with that. T

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 06:24 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Gatewaying debian-user to an nntp newsgroup hosted at debian.org might > be a nice-to-have. Mozilla does this with their mailing lists. They have a readonly, "lonely" Usenet server at news.mozilla.org. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? However, both Usenet and this proposal are superior to mailing lists in all aspects. Feel free to correct me here. Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? signature.asc Description: OpenPG

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:01:15 +0300 softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote: > > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > >> > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: > > You missed my point entirely. > > Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. > > > >

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:58:04 +0300 softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: > > You missed my point entirely. > Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. > OK then... As long as it continues acting like a mai

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: > You missed my point entirely. > Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. > I apologize. You only added some advantages to mailing lists. For so

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Steve Litt writes: > I'm on several forums. But invariably, as time goes on, I forget their > existence. The day's just too busy to walk around the web visiting > groups. And every forum has a different UI with an extremely primitive editor. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: You missed my point entirely. Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:16:33 +0300 softwatt wrote: > I have been contemplating the merits of mailing lists and comparing > them with those of forums, [snip] > If you're really impatient and prefer examples, head to the "usage > example" at the bottom of the mail and skip the rest. > > Advanta

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: > On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> I also read this >> mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) > > This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't > know where to begin. I know that I can access linux.debi

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Joe wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - just point your newsreader at their server. You may be out of date here, Microsoft announced

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > I also read this > mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can access linux.debian.* and read stuff, but that would require a -oft

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 3:15 AM, softwatt wrote: > On 10/09/2014 11:40 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: >> Didn't you just describe Usenet? > > Hmm, I am not sure I have. > I have no experience with Usenet, but after some searching, I think that > Usenet is a lot more complex than this. Feel free to correct me if i

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/10/2014 4:04 AM, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 > Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> >> Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on >> various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - >> just point your newsreader at their server. > > You

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Gatewaying debian-user to an nntp newsgroup hosted at debian.org > might be a nice-to-have. Meanwhile, everything is gated to gmane.org. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind the

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Personally, I think the 'stack exchange' model is the best one out there at the moment. See for example . If you aren't familiar with the model, I'd do a bad job of summarizing it, so I won't try; but one facet is that it encourages good *questions* as well as answers. Ther

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on > various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - > just point your newsreader at their server. You may be out of date here, Microsoft announced abo

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/09/2014 11:40 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Didn't you just describe Usenet? Hmm, I am not sure I have. I have no experience with Usenet, but after some searching, I think that Usenet is a lot more complex than this. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong though. The main difference I found (quo

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 10:48 PM, John Hasler wrote: Jerry Stuckle writes: But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any of the newsgroups on usenet. Unless you arrange one or more feeds. That's how it works. It's a peer to peer system. I run my own Leafno

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/9/2014 10:48 PM, John Hasler wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: >> But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any >> of the newsgroups on usenet. > > Unless you arrange one or more feeds. That's how it works. It's a peer > to peer system. I run my own Leafnode server f

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Jerry Stuckle writes: > But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any > of the newsgroups on usenet. Unless you arrange one or more feeds. That's how it works. It's a peer to peer system. I run my own Leafnode server for my wife and I. I currently purchase a feed from

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/9/2014 7:16 PM, John Hasler wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: >> As well as free Usenet servers. > > Anybody can run a Usenet server. > But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any of the newsgroups on usenet. Which will leave you very, very lonely. Jerry -- To

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Jerry Stuckle writes: > As well as free Usenet servers. Anybody can run a Usenet server. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On 10/9/2014 5:52 PM, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:40:04 -0500 > Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> Didn't you just describe Usenet? >> > > I was thinking that. I suppose there are people who don't know about > Usenet. There certainly aren't many ISPs who throw in Usenet nowadays... > As well as

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:40:04 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > Didn't you just describe Usenet? > I was thinking that. I suppose there are people who don't know about Usenet. There certainly aren't many ISPs who throw in Usenet nowadays... -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@l

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

Didn't you just describe Usenet? :-/ - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

I have been contemplating the merits of mailing lists and comparing them with those of forums, thinking about whether there exists an alternative which provides the advantages of both. And then I came out with something new which does exactly that. Before I continue, allow me to quickly and partia