Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-21 Thread Marco
Am Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:36:59 -0400 schrieb Bijan Soleymani : > On 64 bit machines it would have the same memory usage as i386 and > arm32 but with the extra registers and features that the newer > processors support. > > Something like that. Thanks for the answer. But is there really a need for

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-07-21 02:03, Marco wrote: Am Wed, 20 Jul 2022 22:11:08 +0300 schrieb Oskar Skog : When the x32 port becomes official, the only reason (that I can imagine) to use the i386 port would be for really old computers. What is the x32 port? I haven't heard about that yet. Seems it is a set

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-20 Thread Marco
Am Wed, 20 Jul 2022 22:11:08 +0300 schrieb Oskar Skog : > When the x32 port becomes official, the only reason (that I can > imagine) to use the i386 port would be for really old computers. What is the x32 port? I haven't heard about that yet.

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-20 Thread Oskar Skog
> Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I'm running Debian 10 on a 400 MHz Pentium II. 512 MiB RAM and a 240 GB SSD bottlenecked by a 33 MB/s IDE interface. So, Debian 11 hardware compatibility the same as for Debian 10? Because I don't want to deal

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 11:26:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Another thing that should not be forgotten is that the family of processors vs the ability to make use of firmware patches to fix bugs took a hit since family ID's of $0F and below could not be fixed with microcode. And many of them ha

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Tim Woodall wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks I think I'm running it

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread gene heskett
On 7/17/22 10:41, Stefan Monnier wrote: Greg Wooledge [2022-07-17 08:25:24] wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 08:35:33AM +, Marco wrote: But why the packages are still named i386 instead of i686? Because changing the name of the architecture would be such a massive pain in the ass, and would

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 08:35:33AM +, Marco wrote: > But why the packages are still named i386 instead of i686? Because changing the name of the architecture would be such a massive pain in the ass, and would probably break *so* many things, that it's simply not worthwhile.

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 17 juillet 2022 à 07:40:05 UTC+2, Timothy M Butterworth a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 12:30 AM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask &

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread Marco
thread. Some internet sites say that i686 is Pentium 4 and later > others say that it is Pentium 2 or later. Others say that i686 is > Pentium Pro version 2 and later. If it is indeed Pentium Pro and > later then a lot of older processors are still supported: Pentium 2, > Pentium 3, Penti

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 12:30 AM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to > &g

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to > i686 Pentium 4 and newer. It would be interesting what the benefit of tha

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
e (not all) Celeron M) are based on the Pentium 3 because Pentium 4 created too much heat. Then the Intel Core (without 2) followed for mobile. Core (without 2) also doesn't support Intel-64 (amd64). Some newer Pentium Dual-Core also don't support i386. Core 2 supports amd64. Some Pentium 4

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
Timothy M Butterworth composed on 2022-07-16 11:26 (UTC-0400): > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 > Pentium 4 and newer. # inxi -CMS --vs inxi 3.3.19-00 (2022-06-16) Syste

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks I think I'm running it on an eeepc. I don't know what proc

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 15:17:03 (-0400), Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:26 PM Marco wrote: > > > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pent

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 18:33:11 (+0100), Darac Marjal wrote: > On 16/07/2022 16:26, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I > > ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 > > (1985) to i68

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:26 PM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine. > Out of cur

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:30:29 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier : > Indeed, it has a Pentium mobile III-M at 1.2GHz. > > I'm not completely sure where that processor sits, to be honest, but > I thought it was based on a CPU core that came before Pentium 4. > E.g. the Pentium 4

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine.

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On 16/07/2022 16:26, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Debian hasn't supported 80386 processors for many years. According to

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:17 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > I'm using Debian (currently stable, tho I often end up moving to > testing) on my Thinkpad X30, yes. > The Thinkpad X30 has a 1.2Ghz Pentium M

Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀

Re: Need help with netinst of wheezy on pentium 4 machine

2013-06-06 Thread paul e condon
On 06/05/2013 03:51 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: Hi Paul, paul e condon wrote: I purchased some time ago a refurb Dell GX620. I have received conflicting advice on this list about whether I should use amd64 or i386 CDs to install Wheezy, but amd64 CDs seem to get further into the install so what I wan

Re: Need help with netinst of wheezy on pentium 4 machine

2013-06-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Hi Paul, paul e condon wrote: > I purchased some time ago a refurb Dell GX620. I have received > conflicting advice on this list about whether I should use amd64 or > i386 CDs to install Wheezy, but amd64 CDs seem to get further into > the install so what I want help with now is all about amd64 ty

Need help with netinst of wheezy on pentium 4 machine

2013-06-04 Thread paul e condon
I purchased some time ago a refurb Dell GX620. I have received conflicting advice on this list about whether I should use amd64 or i386 CDs to install Wheezy, but amd64 CDs seem to get further into the install so what I want help with now is all about amd64 type CDs. I set out to install using

Re: Does Sarge support Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset"?

2005-10-28 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:31:39PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > On 10/28/05, Rizlaaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Siju George wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I heard that debian sarge doesnot get installed on Intel Pentium 4 > > > "915 chipset&

Re: Does Sarge support Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset"?

2005-10-28 Thread Siju George
On 10/28/05, Rizlaaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Siju George wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I heard that debian sarge doesnot get installed on Intel Pentium 4 > > "915 chipset". > > Is that true?? I would like to buy one. Is there anyone out th

RE: Does Sarge support Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset"?

2005-10-27 Thread Li Weichen
gt; Subject: Re: Does Sarge support Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset"? > > Siju George wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I heard that debian sarge doesnot get installed on Intel Pentium 4 > > "915 chipset". > > Is that true?? I would like to buy one.

Re: Does Sarge support Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset"?

2005-10-27 Thread Rizlaaf
Siju George wrote: Hi, I heard that debian sarge doesnot get installed on Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset". Is that true?? I would like to buy one. Is there anyone out there running Sarge on this chipset?? How is it?? Thankyou so much Kind regards Siju I am running sarge on a 9

Does Sarge support Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset"?

2005-10-27 Thread Siju George
Hi, I heard that debian sarge doesnot get installed on Intel Pentium 4 "915 chipset". Is that true?? I would like to buy one. Is there anyone out there running Sarge on this chipset?? How is it?? Thankyou so much Kind regards Siju

MSI 915GM4-F Intel® Pentium 4 ATX Mainboard

2005-06-14 Thread Jonathan Opperman
Hi All Just wanted to find out before I purchase this Mobo if someone's already been through the process of installing Sarge or any distro with this MB? Any prior experience with this? And tips/hints would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Regards, Jono -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PR

MSI 915GM4-F Intel® Pentium 4 ATX Mainboard

2005-06-14 Thread Jonathan Opperman
Hi All Just wanted to find out before I purchase this Mobo if someone's already been through the process of installing Sarge or any distro with this MB? Any prior experience with this? And tips/hints would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Regards, Jono -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PR

MSI 915GM4-F Intel® Pentium 4 ATX Mainboard

2005-06-14 Thread Jonathan Opperman
Hi All Just wanted to find out before I purchase this Mobo if someone's already been through the process of installing Sarge or any distro with this MB? Any prior experience with this? And tips/hints would be appreciated. I am also used to installing debian with normal ATA drives, now i am gett

Re: Pentium 4/SIS650 chipset

2002-11-27 Thread klaus imgrund
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 07:29, Gary Maxwell wrote: > Happy holidays! > > Does anyone know whether or not the latest Debian release has support > for the Pentium 4 SIS650 chipset? I haven't found one distribution > yet that does. > > Thanks! > > GM You can try

Re: Pentium 4/SIS650 chipset

2002-11-27 Thread Olivier Esser
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 10:29, Gary Maxwell wrote: > Happy holidays! > > Does anyone know whether or not the latest Debian release has support > for the Pentium 4 SIS650 chipset? I haven't found one distribution yet > that does. > > Thanks! > > GM What do you

Pentium 4/SIS650 chipset

2002-11-27 Thread Gary Maxwell
Happy holidays! Does anyone know whether or not the latest Debian release has support for the Pentium 4 SIS650 chipset? I haven't found one distribution yet that does. Thanks! GM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Pentium 4

2002-03-29 Thread Jim McCloskey
Does anyone know how far support for the Pentium 4 has progressed in the 2.4 series kernels? Is CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 the best kernel-option to set, or might it still be wiser/safer to use i386 or i686? Thanks a lot for any advice, Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Pentium 4 Processors & 2.2.20 Kernel

2002-01-19 Thread Rob Weir
86 was the only reliable > option. selecting the newest cpu variant in kernel compilation is a lot like > using debian unstable--there will be bugginess to contend with--except that > in the case of a buggy kernel, you really need a good reason to put your > system at risk for the kind o

Re: Pentium 4 Processors & 2.2.20 Kernel

2002-01-14 Thread ben
6 (i.e. to the i386 processor and its offspawn). > > Ok, but what option do I have to select in the menu entry "Processor type > and features"? ("386" is probably a safe bet, but in this case I think I > don't get any optimizations specific to a Pentium 4). > &

Re: Pentium 4 Processors & 2.2.20 Kernel

2002-01-14 Thread dman
elect in the menu entry "Processor type | and features"? ("386" is probably a safe bet, but in this case I think I | don't get any optimizations specific to a Pentium 4). Whatever you want, basically. i386 will work, or 1486 or i586 or i686. I'd go for i686 if

Re: Pentium 4 Processors & 2.2.20 Kernel

2002-01-14 Thread Holger Rauch
the menu entry "Processor type and features"? ("386" is probably a safe bet, but in this case I think I don't get any optimizations specific to a Pentium 4). Regards, Holger

Re: Pentium 4 Processors & 2.2.20 Kernel

2002-01-14 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:12:55PM +0100, Holger Rauch wrote: > Hi! > > Are Pentium 4 processors supported by a 2.2.20 kernel out-of-the-box? Yep. I guess that you ask because it mentions i386. This i386 refers to the *architecture* i386 (i.e. to the i386 processor and its offspawn).

Pentium 4 Processors & 2.2.20 Kernel

2002-01-14 Thread Holger Rauch
Hi! Are Pentium 4 processors supported by a 2.2.20 kernel out-of-the-box? If not, where can I get the right patches? Thanks a lot. Greetings, Holger

Re: Pentium 4

2001-03-28 Thread Dan Reinhardt
t;Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alexander Isacson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Pentium 4 > Just to add my 2 cents... > > > I'm about to buy a new computer. I have been offer

OT : Pentium 4 : Article on AMD upgrade

2001-03-28 Thread Joris Lambrecht
Nice article to give you and idea ... To point out what you can 'gain' by choosing for an Athlon based system have a read http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/tbirdproject/default.asp Just change the components with P4 material and you'll (don't forget the RDRAM) see

Re: Pentium 4

2001-03-28 Thread Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
Just to add my 2 cents... > I'm about to buy a new computer. I have been offered a > really good deal on a P4 system. > But since the architecture is so different from previous > pentiums I am a little hecitant. Unless you've been offered a REALLY good deal, it's likely worse than the cost of

RE: Pentium 4

2001-03-28 Thread Joris Lambrecht
aart 2001 21:34 To: Alexander Isacson Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Pentium 4 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Alexander Isacson wrote: > Will I have to recompile all major components in order to get decent > speed with the p4? Recompiling won't help; there's no P4-optimizing

Re: Pentium 4

2001-03-27 Thread William T Wilson
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Alexander Isacson wrote: > Will I have to recompile all major components in order to get decent > speed with the p4? Recompiling won't help; there's no P4-optimizing GCC. The P4 is actually respectable at the sort of bit shoveling that characterizes "average" applications -

Re: Pentium 4

2001-03-27 Thread Dan Reinhardt
and faster on an AMD Durn 800. Thanks, Dan - Original Message - From: "Alexander Isacson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: Pentium 4 > I'm about to buy a new computer. I have been offered a really good deal on a P4 &

Re: Pentium 4

2001-03-27 Thread Jason Majors
Go to tomshardware.com and look at his comparisons of P4s and K7s (in the CPU guide). Tom seems to think that an athlon 1200MHz is better than a P4 1500MHz. The P4 has a horrible FPU, so don't do any scientific calculations on it, unless you optimize the code for SSE (which will make it pretty fast

Pentium 4

2001-03-27 Thread Alexander Isacson
I'm about to buy a new computer. I have been offered a really good deal on a P4 system. But since the architecture is so different from previous pentiums I am a little hecitant. Will I have to recompile all major components in order to get decent speed with the p4? Will there be special p4-debs?

Re: Debian and Pentium 4

2001-01-05 Thread D-Man
www.linux.com/hardware/newsitem.phtml?sid=26&aid=11457 Very interesting article. Shows why working together and free updates are important to quality systems. -D On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:37:39PM -0700, Ray Percival wrote: | I can't get to linux.com just now to find the article but basically

Re: Debian and Pentium 4

2001-01-05 Thread Hall Stevenson
> One of our profs bought a Dell 8100 Pentium 4 for > home use and he wants to install Linux on it. He > would like to install Debian, but he says that Debian > doesn't support the Pentium 4 yet. Is this true? I think it will work just fine. The problem occurs when a progr

Re: Debian and Pentium 4

2001-01-05 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, # The german magazine "c't" (http://www.heise.de/ct) explitely says that # there is no problem with Debian and the Pentium 4 on the Dell # Dimension 8100. # RedHat and Suse caused some problems. That's probably because

Re: Debian and Pentium 4

2001-01-05 Thread Ray Percival
-- From: Kay Nettle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:22:20 -0600 >One of our profs bought a Dell 8100 Pentium 4 for home use and he >wants to install Linux on it. He would like to install Debian, but >he says that Debian doesn't support the Pentium 4

Re: Debian and Pentium 4

2001-01-05 Thread Philipp Schulte
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:22:20PM -0600, Kay Nettle wrote: > One of our profs bought a Dell 8100 Pentium 4 for home use and he > wants to install Linux on it. He would like to install Debian, but > he says that Debian doesn't support the Pentium 4 yet. Is this true? The g

Debian and Pentium 4

2001-01-05 Thread Kay Nettle
One of our profs bought a Dell 8100 Pentium 4 for home use and he wants to install Linux on it. He would like to install Debian, but he says that Debian doesn't support the Pentium 4 yet. Is this true? Kay

Re: Debian and Pentium 4

2000-12-20 Thread Joerg Johannes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > > >From Linuxgram Issue No 147 is this piece titled "Most Linux Cuts Won't > Install on Pentium 4." Quoting: "In another one of those awkward little > moments that we have come to expect from Intel, the chip giant has confirmed >

Debian and Pentium 4

2000-12-20 Thread csj
>From Linuxgram Issue No 147 is this piece titled "Most Linux Cuts Won't Install on Pentium 4." Quoting: "In another one of those awkward little moments that we have come to expect from Intel, the chip giant has confirmed that only Red Hat and TurboLinux can be installed