On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 04:26:06AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > On 03/08/2021
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 08:49:06, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> Looking at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian prompts me to ask:
> "What logs might be created when attempting to run a netinst.iso?"
The Debian Installation Guide should have more information on the
Installer's logs and where they are to
On 03/10/2021 07:29 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
The boot process has three major stages.
1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test
2. Bootloader (grub, etc.)
3. Operating System (in t
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > The boot process has three major stages.
> >
> > 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test
> > 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.)
> > 3. Operating System (in this case Debian)
> >
>
On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
before chasing down this rabbit ho
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
> > > > Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see
On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an
upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports
site (for your proc
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 15:00:07 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
> > > Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an
> > > upgrade for your current kern
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 14:57:47 +0200
Anssi Saari wrote:
> Richard Owlett writes:
>
> > The more I think about my observed symptoms, it would seem logical
> > to be kernel related.
> >
> > If the Linkzone is physically connected when PC is turned on, the
> > boot process will hang until the Linkzo
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
> > Richard Owlett wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an
> > upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports
> > site (for your processor and distribution t
Richard Owlett writes:
> The more I think about my observed symptoms, it would seem logical to
> be kernel related.
>
> If the Linkzone is physically connected when PC is turned on, the boot
> process will hang until the Linkzone is disconnected.
I have a guess then. Maybe the Linkzone comes up
On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an
upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports
site (for your processor and distribution type). i just
had an issue with a new device not being recognized and
upda
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
> If it's a kernel issue, I'll just wait for Debian 11. I had essentially
> tried the 10.8 netinst to get instant gratification of moving from 32 to
> 64 bits in one day rather than one week.
certainly understandable. :) hope it works well for you!
songbird
On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an
upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports
site (for your processor and distribution type). i just
had an issue with a new device not being recognized and
upda
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an
upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports
site (for your processor and distribution type). i just
had an issue with a new device not being recognized and
updated my kernel (for stretch) and it worked
On Mon, Mar 08, 2021 at 06:06:17AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/03/2021 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
> > I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
> > debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded
On 03/03/2021 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved.
It was copied to a USB flash drive and installation attempted.
Only
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 21:47:25 +
Joe wrote:
...
> If it's user-installed non-free firmware for network interfaces, that is
> the state of manufacturing today: we're back to Winmodems and you're
> stuck with it. I have one of the last netbooks to come with an Ethernet
> port. A USB-Ethernet widg
On Mon 01 Feb 2021 at 06:46:40 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have just installed Debian 10.7 to my Lenovo T510 Thinkpad having
> copied debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso to a flash drive [the machine is
> intentionally isolated from the internet].
So you have a 10.7 amd64 DVD available.
On Wed 0
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 21:47:25 +
Joe wrote:
> In the beginning, the problem was inability to write an .iso to a USB
> stick or to use Google. Since then, things seem to have evolved. There
> are too many posts in this thread to read each one of yours to see
> what is currently the problem, and y
On 03/05/2021 03:47 PM, Joe wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:12:50 -0600
Richard Owlett wrote:
Please PLEASE *PLEASE* read what I *ACTUALLY* wrote
!!! *BEFORE* replying to what you WISH I had written !
In the beginning, the problem was inability to write an .iso to a USB
stick or to use Go
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:12:50 -0600
Richard Owlett wrote:
> Please PLEASE *PLEASE* read what I *ACTUALLY* wrote
> !!! *BEFORE* replying to what you WISH I had written !
>
>
In the beginning, the problem was inability to write an .iso to a USB
stick or to use Google. Since then, things seem t
Please PLEASE *PLEASE* read what I *ACTUALLY* wrote
!!! *BEFORE* replying to what you WISH I had written !
On 3/5/21 4:09 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/04/2021 04:46 PM, David Christensen wrote:
2. I _actively_ abhor activating *any* WiFi device. [long OT story]
My system currently has [from image of DVD1]:
1. Debian 10.0 with minimum default configuration of MATE.
That is a security ris
On Friday 05 March 2021 03:14:51 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 01:33:14AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > AIUI compilers have been studied so extensively that their
> > > production is largely automated.
> >
> > Oh, no. There are some parts we know how to automate, but by a
On 03/04/2021 04:46 PM, David Christensen wrote:
On 3/4/21 4:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
What I do now is make yet another attempt to convey my problem.
My universe consists of:
1. myself.
2. a laptop onto which I wish to install Debian using a netinst.iso .
3. an Alcatel Linkzone so
On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 01:33:14AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > AIUI compilers have been studied so extensively that their production is
> > largely automated.
>
> Oh, no. There are some parts we know how to automate, but by and large
> it's all hand written code.
:-)
https://m.xkcd.com/224
> AIUI compilers have been studied so extensively that their production is
> largely automated.
Oh, no. There are some parts we know how to automate, but by and large
it's all hand written code.
> Create an EBNF specification, feed it through a tool
> chain (lex, yacc, cc, as, ld, etc.), and you
On 3/4/21 9:28 PM, David Christensen wrote:
(One more step of 'cT = cT(a)' may be required
Correction: cT = cT(T)
David
On 3/4/21 6:50 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
The abstract states:
"In the DDC technique, source code is compiled twice: once with a
second (trusted) compiler (using the source code of the compiler’s
parent), and then the compiler source code is compiled using the
result of the first compilation.
> The abstract states:
>
> "In the DDC technique, source code is compiled twice: once with a
> second (trusted) compiler (using the source code of the compiler’s
> parent), and then the compiler source code is compiled using the
> result of the first compilation. If the result is bi
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 23:34:25 +0100
wrote:
>
> Yes, but... letting your compiler plant bugs into someone else's
> software to phone back to *you*... chutzpah. Had to be Microsoft.
>
>
Not necessarily, nearly all writers of Windows software believe that
they own your computer while their softw
On 3/4/21 4:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
What I do now is make yet another attempt to convey my problem.
My universe consists of:
1. myself.
2. a laptop onto which I wish to install Debian using a netinst.iso .
3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP.
T-Mobile erroneou
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 05:18:38PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > The part that I find more interesting is the "emergent evil" thing.
> > Somehow the techies found that it is OK to do that and they did,
> > in the best of their intentions.
>
> I'm not surprised: it's quite common to want to get
On 3/4/21 12:43 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Read David A. Wheeler's work [1] and put yourself in the 2010s :-)
> [1] https://dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/
The abstract states:
"In the DDC technique, source code is compiled twice: once with a
second (trusted) compiler (using the source
> The part that I find more interesting is the "emergent evil" thing.
> Somehow the techies found that it is OK to do that and they did,
> in the best of their intentions.
I'm not surprised: it's quite common to want to get some kind of
information about how your program performs (i.e. things like
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:05:38 +0100
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
...
> > I know I can't avoid the risk
> > entirely, but this is one of the reasons I try hard to limit my use of
> > software to stuff in the repos. I understand it's no magic bul
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> > - Sometime 2017 [1], Microsoft put out a version of Visual Studio
> > which baked "phone home" functionality into its compiled "products".
[...]
> > I call this pattern "Emergent Evil".
>
> Outrageous, certainly - this sort
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 06:27:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/03/2021 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
> > I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
> > debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded &
Hey, bathroom scales are something (I think) I am qualified to talk about, at
least from the POV of a user ;-)
On Thursday, March 04, 2021 10:05:29 AM Joe wrote:
> On a rather smaller scale, my electronic bathroom scale has a feature
> whereby if a person gets back onto the scale within thirty se
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:14:08 +0100
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 09:21:46AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:17:59 +0100
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > > > Joe wrote:
>
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 15:05:29 +
Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:10:45 -0500
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > Joe wrote:
...
> > > Indeed. The new heartbeat/data return function in OpenSSL, itself
> > > the core of much Open Source security, was suggested by t
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 09:21:46AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:17:59 +0100
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt th
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:10:45 -0500
Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> Joe wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> > serious compiler in the West has been compromised. Why would they
> > *not* be?
>
> Do you have any evidence f
ed a backdoor?
> Assunto: Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems]
> De: to...@tuxteam.de
> Enviado em: 4 de março de 2021 10:18
> Para: cele...@gmail.com
> Cópia: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:17:59 +0100
wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> > > serious compiler in the West has been compromise
I discover it on October 2019 nobody listen to me
Enviado via UOL Mail
Assunto: Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems]
De: to...@tuxteam.de
Enviado em: 4 de março de 2021 10:18
Para: cele...@gmail.com
Cópia: debian-user
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> Joe wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> > serious compiler in the West has been compromised. Why would they *not*
> > be?
>
> Do you have any eviden
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
Joe wrote:
...
> Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> serious compiler in the West has been compromised. Why would they *not*
> be?
Do you have any evidence for this, or is it just your assumption,
because "why would they not be?"
On 03/03/2021 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved.
It was copied to a USB flash drive and installation attempted.
Only
On 2021-03-04 09:41, Joe wrote:
Of course. Any externally-supplied network device is inherently
untrusted. It is unwise to give any IoT device access to your network,
it is fail-safe to assume that every such device reports back as much
as possible to some Chinese company.
Most certainly. The
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:43:57 +0100
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 05:42:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > So, you designed, built, and programmed your "single other machine"
> > using machines that you designed, built [...]
>
> This is disingenuous.
>
> The whole game is
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 11:08:40PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf
>
> Not sure how this is relevant. This is like talking about the security
> of locks when the other guy is openly telling you he has a copy of
> the key.
:-)
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 05:42:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
[...]
> So, you designed, built, and programmed your "single other machine"
> using machines that you designed, built [...]
This is disingenuous.
The whole game is about trust. I trust gcc more than I trust MSVC.
That may be a g
> https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf
Not sure how this is relevant. This is like talking about the security
of locks when the other guy is openly telling you he has a copy of
the key.
Stefan
On 3/3/21 6:43 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Or, get Internet service that includes a modem/ gateway with an Ethernet
port. This is probably the best answer in the long run.
Unless that modem/gateway is under the control of the ISP, in which case
you're fundamentally inviting your ISP onto your loc
>>> Or, get Internet service that includes a modem/ gateway with an Ethernet
>>> port. This is probably the best answer in the long run.
>> Unless that modem/gateway is under the control of the ISP, in which case
>> you're fundamentally inviting your ISP onto your local network, IOW into
>> your p
On 3/3/21 1:53 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Or, get Internet service that includes a modem/ gateway with an Ethernet
port. This is probably the best answer in the long run.
Unless that modem/gateway is under the control of the ISP, in which case
you're fundamentally inviting your ISP onto your lo
> Or, get Internet service that includes a modem/ gateway with an Ethernet
> port. This is probably the best answer in the long run.
Unless that modem/gateway is under the control of the ISP, in which case
you're fundamentally inviting your ISP onto your local network, IOW into
your private home.
On 3/3/21 7:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved.
It was copied to a USB flash drive and installation attempted.
Only did
I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved.
It was copied to a USB flash drive and installation attempted.
Only did minimal install as I could not connect to
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