I’m comforted by this friendly discussion about the old days versus the
modern generation by fellow old folks of pre-PC days.
Sort of like an afternoon gathering at the Elks or the VFW.
Thank you all.
Blessings.
-Tom
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 12:57:39PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > See my other reply. My whole point is about making lives of curious
> > users easier by sticking to the terminology they'll find should they
> > dare (yes,please!) to open that door to the cellar.
>
> The people at Xe
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 08:25:20AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > Small anecdote: there was an old Linux distro (ISTR it was SuSE) where
> > something below /etc/init.d (or was it /etc/rc.d? It's a long while
> > ago) was a symlink to the parent directory, creating an infinite
> > hi
tomas writes:
> Small anecdote: there was an old Linux distro (ISTR it was SuSE) where
> something below /etc/init.d (or was it /etc/rc.d? It's a long while
> ago) was a symlink to the parent directory, creating an infinite
> hierarchy (or a circular reference, depending on how you squint).
On Sys
tomas writes:
> See my other reply. My whole point is about making lives of curious
> users easier by sticking to the terminology they'll find should they
> dare (yes,please!) to open that door to the cellar.
The people at Xerox PARC and SRI who came up with the desktop metaphor
in the early years
On 2023-11-06, Nicolas George wrote:
> Loris Bennett (12023-11-06):
>> I beg to differ. I think you are confusing the precise definition of
>> something with the label used to refer to it. When the transistor was
>> invented, so was a new word to describe it. When this particular
>> concept of
Loris Bennett (12023-11-06):
> I beg to differ. I think you are confusing the precise definition of
> something with the label used to refer to it. When the transistor was
> invented, so was a new word to describe it. When this particular
> concept of how to organise data on a computer, about wh
Nicolas George writes:
>> Surely 'directory' is also just a more or
>> less apt metaphor
>
> You missed the point: directory is not a metaphor at all, it is a
> precise term for what is actually being talked about.
I beg to differ. I think you are confusing the prec
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 11:33:55AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Regarding Tomas' assertion, I'm not sure I buy into the argument
> > regarding dumbing-down [...]
> I guess in a sense what's going on here is that these words act as kinds
> of "dog whistle". I don't think the argument that "dir
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 03:46:38PM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote:
> Nicolas George writes:
>
> > to...@tuxteam.de (12023-11-03):
> >> The other is related: folder has become the culture of those
> >> who want to "sell you knowledge", i.e. of those whose business
> >> model is based on keeping you du
On 2023-11-03, Nicolas George wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de (12023-11-03):
>> The other is related: folder has become the culture of those
>> who want to "sell you knowledge", i.e. of those whose business
>> model is based on keeping you dumb.
>
> Ear, ear!
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear
A
On 11/3/23 11:17, Nicolas George wrote:
Loris Bennett (12023-11-03):
If I think of the main non-digital directory I have dealt with in my
life it was a telephone directory. That also did not contain further
directories within itself.
On the other hand, scholarly articles usually contain a bib
> Regarding Tomas' assertion, I'm not sure I buy into the argument
> regarding dumbing-down. I am presume it does go on, but I don't really
> think that one is stepping on to Big Tech's slippery slope to stupidity
> by calling a 'directory' a 'folder' any more one would be by calling a
> pointing
Loris Bennett (12023-11-03):
> If I think of the main non-digital directory I have dealt with in my
> life it was a telephone directory. That also did not contain further
> directories within itself.
On the other hand, scholarly articles usually contain a bibliography
section, i.e. a directory of
Nicolas George writes:
> to...@tuxteam.de (12023-11-03):
>> The other is related: folder has become the culture of those
>> who want to "sell you knowledge", i.e. of those whose business
>> model is based on keeping you dumb.
>
> Ear, ear!
>
> Also, that metaphor is easy, but it is very shaky. In
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 08:46:36AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de (12023-11-03):
> > The other is related: folder has become the culture of those
> > who want to "sell you knowledge", i.e. of those whose business
> > model is based on keeping you dumb.
>
> Ear, ear!
>
> Also, tha
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-11-03):
> The other is related: folder has become the culture of those
> who want to "sell you knowledge", i.e. of those whose business
> model is based on keeping you dumb.
Ear, ear!
Also, that metaphor is easy, but it is very shaky. In the physical
world, I have *sometim
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 11:17:01PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 12:16:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > This was in the 1970s when the graphical UI was being invented. The
> > idea was that the screen was to look like an actual desktop which might
> > have actual file fol
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